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[Bread.]

Argue this

You are telling me that we should enact strict gun control rights for 24 mass shooting deaths per year on a country with a population of 330,000,0000 people?

How is enacting gun control and banning ar15s but not guns entirely, going to result in less mass shootings?

 

[Frombo]

I am telling you that if strict gun control laws were enacted for all firearms, there would be a decrease in gun related deaths. Its a very simple fact. It shouldn't be that hard to grasp lol.

I've never stated that what I'm arguing for would cause less mass shootings. And I've made it clear that my argument isn't about banning AR15's specifically several times, nor has my point ever been about banning firearms altogether.

My point is:

Strict gun control laws regarding all firearms would lead to a decrease in gun related deaths.

No matter how many pie graphs you post, no matter how many statistics you have about mass shootings, or cannons, or conspiracies about untrustworthy governments or facts about dictators: none of these things change the truthfulness of the statement that I made above. Try referencing Hitler and Nazi's again, that worked so well for you last time. Maybe this time try typing it in bold?

 

[Bread.]

I've never stated that what I'm arguing for would cause less mass shootings.

This is a thread about mass shooting gun violence.

 

[little cindy lou who]

I-Think-We-Get-The-Picture ..... And I'm Pretty Sure You Have Typed All You Can Type For This Never Ending Thread ... Enough Already ..

You're Beatin This Dead Horse To A Bloody Pulp And It's Starting To Draw Flies .........

 

[Bread.]

I agree. I'm tired of beating frombos baseless arguments like a dead horse.

The last 6 pages of this thread has been frombo spamming "you've not proven anything" while everyone but him is quoting statements and throwing pie facts straight to his face. If anyone else cares to argue this debate I'll respond.

 

[Frombo]

I brought facts. You just ignored them by quoting unrelated facts of your own.

Its a fact that strict gun reform laws on all firearms would reduce the number of gun related deaths.

The last six pages has been repeating that same fact, and you responding with facts about dictators and cannons and pie charts about handguns. Nothing you've said has disproven my point. Like I've said, you've managed to type a whole lot without ever really saying anything.

 

[Bread.]

It's a fact I'm beating a dead horse by replying to any of your comments

 

[Frombo]

Fact: Less guns=less gun related deaths.

I like this secondary tactic you're using now though lol. Means we're getting somewhere.

 

[Finn2.0]

Can’t any of you fucknuggets have a debate without slinging shite at each other? Jesus, you’re all children

 

[Frombo]

Can’t any of you fucknuggets have a debate without slinging shite at each other? Jesus, you’re all children

I haven't been slinging **** lol .I've been stating one fact. But theres more than meets the eye with his last couple of posts. There is some **** slinging going on, but its not from me lol.

 

[Bread.]

Telling people "you havent proven anything" for 6 pages is not fact. Continuing to do so while people make opposing arguments, references, statistics, quotes and comments directed to you is not a debate. The only truth is hes been stating the same thing for 6 pages. If he feels "he doesnt need to" inform or prove opposing arguments wrong then he has no business being in a debate. He can just hold a white picket with his opinions.

 

[KumarsTechSupport]

It wasn’t Kumar

~KumarsTechSupport

 

[Frombo]

I'm sorry but- less guns= less gun related deaths. Theres no need to address pie graphs about handguns, facts about cannons or facts about dictators. None of those disprove the fact that less guns would equal less gun related deaths.

 

[SerenityMoon]

@Frombo
so again I say, less guns= less *gun related deaths*

How many times do I have to prove this wrong?
Read and at least try to understand what you have read.
Gun ownership in the US has increased 30% in the last 20 years while violent crime has fallen 50% -(FBI crime statistics)
Using the GunFacts.info MPS ( Mass Public Shootings )Database, which contains the 71 MPS (using the FBI definition) documented in the U.S. between 1988 and August 4, 2019, more than 85 percent of MPS have been perpetrated in gun-free zones. (Although the data set goes back to 1982, detailed information began to be documented in 1988.) These gun-free zones include 17 workplaces, 12 schools, five churches and three shopping malls.
Fact: Less guns=less gun related deaths.
I like this secondary tactic you're using now though lol. Means we're getting somewhere.
Less automobiles less automobile fatalities. You're still missing the fact that its not the instrument of death but the person using it.
There in lays your problem. A gun can not harm anyone if it is not wielded against you. The laws are already written, and you seem to think that if an individual is willing to commit murder they wouldn't if there were laws against having a fire arm.
Unlawful possession of a firearm carries on a first offense, you face a fine of up to $500 and a maximum jail sentence of six months. If you are using the weapon to commit a violent crime, then the penalties go up. Your fine can be up to $2,000 and you can face a jail sentence of at least one year. That is not a deterrent when they are facing the death penalty anyways.

 

[Frombo]

@SerenityMoon how many times do i have to explain that gun related deaths and violent crimes are two different things. Someone punching someone in the face is a violent crime, and isn't a factor related to gun related deaths. We're going in circles because you can't grasp my points. No amount of statistics related to violent crimes change the fact that over 30 thousand American lives were lost in gun related incidents this year. And no amount of pie charts or facts about maximum jail sentences changes the fact that less guns would equal less gun related deaths.

Gun ownership has increased while violent crime has decreased. This statement sounds good to the ears and looks good on paper, but its nonsense. Not all violent crime has to involve a gun in any capacity.

The numbers you should be looking at are the number of gun related deaths per year. Because those numbers show 10 thousand people die on a GOOD year. 10 thousand preventable deaths shouldn't be a good year. If 10 thousand preventable deaths is the best possible statistic you have to prove your point, you might be on the wrong side lol. And then whats that I see? A sharp increase that hasn't been going down? Oh man. Its almost like the number of gun related deaths don't care about what the FBI has to say about violent crime statistics, because violent crimes do not equal gun related crimes. Who would have thought that its possible to be violent without using a gun? I know, another fact that completely shatters your argument. The audacity. I apologize. You guys just make it too easy. And btw, the US hasn't had a "good" year where "only" 10 thousand gun related homicides happen in a very long time.

Jeff Foxworthy time:

If you can take all of the gun related homicides that happen in countries with strict gun reform laws and add them altogether and multiply it by 10 and still not even be near 1/50th of the gun related homicides in a GOOD year for your country, your country might need less guns.


https://ibb.co/R4bRg6h

 

[Frombo]

statistically speaking, by the end of today, while we are debating gun reform laws, 85 people in the US will have died in a gun related incident.

More people will have died in a gun related incident today in the US than all of the gun related deaths in the UK all year.

and while I'm at it. heres another fact at the bottom of this post that completely shatters anyone's "pro gun" arguments.

Another quick Jess Foxworthy for you: If your country is one of 6 countries that make up literally half of the ENTIRE worlds gun related deaths, your country might need less guns.

https://ibb.co/VVDn3d6

 

[Frombo]

oh man, now that I've figured how to ss things on my laptop this is so much easier now.

heres a little factoid that completely shatters the whole "well if its so bad then why has gun ownership increased while violent crime has decreased?" and what I am about to show is the exact reason why you can't loop in all violent crime with gun related deaths.

https://ibb.co/RStmR4B

so you pose as an argument: Gun ownership has increased while violent crime has decreased.

my answer: Gun ownership has increased while mass shootings have tripled, try again.

 

[Deleted member 292068]

statistically speaking, by the end of today, while we are debating gun reform laws, 85 people in the US will have died in a gun related incident.

More people will have died in a gun related incident today in the US than all of the gun related deaths in the UK all year.

and while I'm at it. heres another fact at the bottom of this post that completely shatters anyone's "pro gun" arguments.

Another quick Jess Foxworthy for you: If your country is one of 6 countries that make up literally half of the ENTIRE worlds gun related deaths, your country might need less guns.

https://ibb.co/VVDn3d6

It's NYE so I expect that number to go up dramatically. You also have to counter in how America always has a higher chance of a mass shooting taking place during a holiday. The fact there are so many mass shootings that get prevented but never mentioned by the news, is shocking.

 

[Bread.]

my answer: Gun ownership has increased while mass shootings have tripled, try again.

THATS A LIE!!! LMAOOAOAAOOAOAO

Gun ownership has been on a steady decline for the past 50 years.

So how do you correlate that with the increase in mass shootings? (Pro tip: you cant)

@SerenityMoon thats what i like to call a Jeff Foxworthy move

 

[Frombo]

I only said that because @SerenityMoon used "gun ownership has increased by 30% in twenty years" lol. I assumed she wasn't talking pure bs and had actually looked it up lmao. If that was a lie thats not on me lol, that was your partners statistics not mine.

It doesn't change the facts. Mass shootings have tripled since 2011. you really think you just did something there huh? Did you even read what Serenity said? she was the one who said gun ownership has increased and used it as an argument, I took her word for it because I assumed she had done her homework. If its a huge lie and you're counting it as a win, its a win for me if anything.

Again literally none of what you just said disproves any of the facts I've just posted. You seen one fact that wasn't true and went ham, but that one fact was something brought up by Serenity lolol. Bro you gotta read whats been said before you try your "gotchya" moments. Otherwise this ends up happening. All those laughing gifs were really for Serenity, not for me. Because again, my only mistake was thinking my debate opponent wasn't making up facts on the fly and passing them off as real. That was my mistake as well as yours @Bread. Your whole last post didn't prove anything except that everyone should take anything Serenity says with a grain of salt, because it might be made up nonsense. Did you even read what she said before you liked her post?

Mass shootings have tripled since 2011. The US is one of 6 countries that make up half of the ENTIRE WORLDS gun related deaths. And by the end of today more people will died in the US by gun related incidents than all of the gun related deaths combined over the whole year in the UK.

None of what you just said disproves any of those points. And no one has still been able to disprove the core of my argument; that less guns would result in less gun related deaths.

You don't even know how to use Jeff Foxworthy gifs right. Its goes like this:

If your country has more gun related deaths in one day than the entirety of the UK has in one year, you might have too many guns.

If your country is one of six countries that makes up literally half of the entire worlds gun related deaths, your country might have too many guns.