If women unable or unwilling to have children are real women

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Bread. said:
I have never argued god didn't make nature. God made everything you see around you
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So if God made everything then God made the hearts and brains of trans people, he made the surgeons, he made the knowledge that surgeons use to allow trans people to change their gender, and all that came from nature which was made by God.

So trans people are natural women too. Again you discredit your own arguments.

Bread. said:
go read the book of Genesis.
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No need. I know it probably better than you do. Based on what I’ve seen of your opinions, Mein Kampf is probably your usual reading material.

Bread. said:
Read the title
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No, you. You’ve not yet commented on infertile women, women who choose not to have children, women who’ve suffered an illness that prevents them from having children. Perhaps take your own advice a little more.
 
Inkandtatts said:
So if God made everything then God made the hearts and brains of trans people, he made the surgeons, he made the knowledge that surgeons use to allow trans people to change their gender, and all that came from nature which was made by God.

So trans people are natural women too. Again you discredit your own arguments.
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God made men and women. He also gave men and women free will to do what they want but not without consequence.

So you are arguing because God gave people free will, everything humans do should be a-ok?

If thats what you believe then pedophilia is as good as being trans right? Being a murderer?

Inkandtatts said:
No need. I know it probably better than you do. Based on what I’ve seen of your opinions, Mein Kampf is probably your usual reading material.
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If you knew the book of Genesis you would know that free will is not a free pass to do anything without consequence.
Inkandtatts said:
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No, you. You’ve not yet commented on infertile women, women who choose not to have children, women who’ve suffered an illness that prevents them from having children. Perhaps take your own advice a little more.
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Or perhaps you are selectively reading or lying.
Bread. said:
Genetic mutations or medical conditions do not alter the fact that females aren't born with testicles and a penis.
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Bread. said:
I dont know what GODs plans are.

All I know is GOD created women AND men for a reason.

Genesis 1:28
And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

If you want to know why some women are infertile or why both males and females are born with genetic conditions then perhaps you should read the bible.

The short answer is because God wills it.
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If you want to ask me something specific about infertile women, women who choose not to have children, women who've suffered an illness that prevents them from having children then ask it.

Just dont lie and tell me I'm refusing to talk about it.
 
Bread. said:
God made men and women. He also gave men and women free will to do what they want but not without consequence.

So you are arguing because God gave people free will, everything humans do should be a-ok?

If thats what you believe then pedophilia is as good as being trans right? Being a murderer?
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Nope, that’s you twisting your religion to fit your own agenda and take this whole thing off topic.

Actually, I’m sticking in an edit here. You’re talking about free will now. Murder is someone using their free will to end the life of another just like you using your free will to spread prejudice.

Your debate topic is about whether people unable or unwilling to give birth are “real” women. That’s nothing to do with murderers and is only in part to do with free will

Maybe you should read the bit about “love thy neighbour”


Bread. said:
If you want to ask me something specific about infertile women, women who choose not to have children, women who've suffered an illness that prevents them from having children then ask it.

Just dont lie and tell me I'm refusing to talk about it.
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No lie. You told me to read the title. You clearly haven’t.

All you’ve done is bang on about trans people. You start a debate and focus on one part of it that pushes your own agenda. If you don’t want to comment on other areas then that’s your choice

Can we get this back on topic please?
 
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Yes I'm waiting for you to get back on topic.

You've been trolling about religion for 3 pages now because I mentioned the word god.
 
Bread. said:
Yes I'm waiting for you to get back on topic.

You've been trolling about religion for 12 posts now because I mentioned the word god.
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I’ll bring it back on topic since you’re unable to

Women who can’t or don’t want to have children are still “real” women and God loves each and every one of them

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Women who can’t or don’t want to have children are still “real” women and God loves each and every one of them
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I agree with that 👍
In fact I've never said anything to disagree with that.

The caveat is you are implying trans women are real women. Not in this post, but in your views.

I'm not delusional.
 
Bread. said:
I agree with that 👍
In fact I've never said anything to disagree with that.

The caveat is you are implying trans women are real women. Not in this post, but in your views.

I'm not delusional.
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I actually don’t argue much either way when it comes to labels.

I have a belief that expressing a view that intentionally upsets other people is wrong and your idea that trans women aren’t “real women” is an intention to upset trans women.

If you said “someone born male that has now transitioned didn’t have a vagina at birth” then fair enough. Factually accurate and nobody is going to argue with it
 
Well there's the fallacy.

NO ONE can control how another person feels or doesn't feel.

If I'm stating facts or opinions and thats upsetting them that's not MY problem.

You are telling me that I'm supposed to believe and bend to their view but not my own?

This is going off the topic of child bearing, women and trans women onto emotions.

get back on topic, what is a real woman?
 
Max82 said:
Says the guy who spends his entire time in chat literally obsessed with other people's lives, jobs and families. Make it make sense.
Where's the planet where people actually have brains and don't give lessons that they miserably fail to follow? I want to go there.
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Nailed it
 
Bread. said:
You are telling me my idea of a real woman is wrong. Explain to me what a real woman is.
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Not sure I did say that but I’m not going back several pages to check, and I’m not entering a debate on what a “real” woman is. The very wording of “real woman” is highly subjective so isn’t particularly debatable

Your question was answered as above and we were in agreement at one point.

Inkandtatts said:
Women who can’t or don’t want to have children are still “real” women and God loves each and every one of them
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Bread. said:
I agree with that
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WOMENS infertility has to with their reproductive system. A reproductive system trans "women" lack. Ovaries, eggs, wombs.. you know basic biology.. science.

Trans women are mentally ill. That's what makes them unable to bear children. The fact that they have an intact or mutilated SCHLONG.

LOL

Not infertility

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Bread. said:
WOMENS infertility has to with their reproductive system. A reproductive system trans "women" lack. Ovaries, eggs, wombs.. you know basic biology.. science.

Trans women are mentally ill. That's what makes them unable to bear children. The fact that they have an intact or mutilated SCHLONG.

LOL

Not infertility

OWNED!!
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Yes, dipsh!t, you have been
 
Bread. said:
WOMENS infertility has to with their reproductive system. A reproductive system trans "women" lack. Ovaries, eggs, wombs.. you know basic biology.. science.

Trans women are mentally ill. That's what makes them unable to bear children. The fact that they have an intact or mutilated SCHLONG.

LOL

Not infertility

OWNED!!
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"Mutilated shlong" is one way to put advancement in surgical procedures in neo-viganas that are impressive by many metrics to an organ that's not as anatomically and sexually dimorphic to begin with and stays neutral until womb harmone washes which speaks to how readily the surgery can be done.

Clearly it's a loaded description and you're delusional about approaching anything in good faith.

All this repression and now I'm really curious a about your browser history.
 
DarthErica said:
If this doesn’t prove that this guy is nothing more than a troll looking to use inflammatory rhetoric to gaslight people I don’t know what does. @Samwise @Ness_eb
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Trans women are mentally ill.

Transgenderism/ gender identity disorder/ gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

That's why it's in the DSM-5 and has been a mental disorder since the DSM-3 In the 1980s

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, (DSM-5)

The only other gaslighting that is occuring is the people telling you that you are a real woman.

The only proof here is Darth Erica is baiting UMs by posting sensationalized out of context quotes.
 
Bread. said:
Trans women are mentally ill.

Transgenderism/ gender identity disorder/ gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

That's why it's in the DSM-5 and has been a mental disorder since the DSM-3 In the 1980s

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, (DSM-5)

The only other gaslighting that is occuring is the people telling you that you are a real woman.

The only proof here is Darth Erica is baiting UMs by posting sensationalized out of context quotes.
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The diagnosis of a pathology for the DSM is that which enough symptoms collectively to impair everyday life. The reason why Gender Identity Disorder was switched to Gender Dysphoria from earlier DSMs to the DSM 5 was because a variant in one's gender identity does not impair ones ability to function day to day (outside of bigots) but the symptoms of GENDER DYSPHORIA with it's severe depression does. Which mean's gender variance on a whole is not a pathology. few try


Other wise you'd have to explain to me why variant gender roles and expression with different gender categories has existed cross culturally and TRANSHISTORICALLY. The sociology I study proves this.


And while your citing the DSM I wonder if you'd agree with the recommended treatment for gender dysphoria which is transitioning.
 
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