The bible threads / discussion

Inspiration behind the Post a Bible Verse Thread:
That’s interesting. Thanks for that context. Here’s my context. I saw you created a thread for people to post Bible passages. Cool. Totally fine.
But I noticed 2 common themes in most of the ones you chose. Sex and violence. So that’s why I asked if you were trying to make a particular statement with those choices. That’s really all I was curious about.
 
In all honesty I'd really hate to see an age appropriate rating on any book.
Why? They do it with music and movies and other forms of art/entertainment. I feel as long as they aren't censoring things and it’s more of a notification or guideline then it should be fine.
But maybe we are talking about two different things.
 
That’s interesting. Thanks for that context. Here’s my context. I saw you created a thread for people to post Bible passages. Cool. Totally fine.
But I noticed 2 common themes in most of the ones you chose. Sex and violence. So that’s why I asked if you were trying to make a particular statement with those choices. That’s really all I was curious about.
I know, and I honestly took no offence at the question. I'd have done the TLDR in User Message if you'd posted it there. I basically used a lot of the verses that the vicar did, and dealt with your question the way she did when she was asked by the people in the church.
 
Books in the UK SOMETIMES have a suggested reading age on them, but they don't have restrictions unlike our movies.

And let me be clear, I never posted anything that wasn't an actual verse in the bible. What I did hope it would do, is show that whilst people have held their hands up to other atrocities of religious texts (r*pe, murder, women as property) people also then use the "but the Bible says it's wrong" towards other things. Laws and society changes. The text should be used not as a given, but as a guide... And I do believe children should be given the choice to go into religion as opposed to it being thrust upon them. We realise now children shouldn't be spanked for bad behaviour, plenty argue children shouldn't be labelled as trans or gay or bi, plenty argue vegetarian parents shouldn't stop their children eating meat (the Bible also once didn't let you eat meat, or fat, or blood) so why are they being labelled as Christians/Catholics/Muslims before they are even old enough to know what's going on?

This isn't just about bible verses, and I would do the same if (as I said in another thread) the Quran was up for questioning.

Food for thought.
Excellent points all. I was brought up without religion and it was left to me to decide for myself. I chose science. I did study comparative religions when I was still going to an actual school and while it was interesting from a comparative culture point of view, the religious content left me cold.

I've never actually seen a book with a suggested reading age apart from the local library segregating kids books from adults. They never commented on me taking out adult books though even when I was pretty young. Interestingly my mum had a completely different experience when she was young where she had to take a letter of permission from my granny to withdraw adult books.
 
Sorry, I wanted to tag @Pandora to see this so they know I'm not a hater of Christians <3
Nice to know Inks, but whether you are or not is not my business, I wont judge you for it 🙂 . I basically live a "live and let live" life, its one of my mantras. As for the quoting of the passages, anyone whos curious or wants to follow Christianity would find them in the bible, nothing is hidden.. We know its there and most of us strive to understand and study it and do not essentially try to bury anything from it, it is our sacred book and as HR said previously it is simply a history of life in those times, how one chooses to perceive it to align with their narrative is on them.
 
Why? They do it with music and movies and other forms of art/entertainment. I feel as long as they aren't censoring things and it’s more of a notification or guideline then it should be fine.
But maybe we are talking about two different things.
Because it's a form of censorship. I'm mature enough to decide what I want to read without interference.
 
I'm not so sure. I've seen comments on book covers about the appropriateness of it but not an outright ban on sales to certain age groups. I remember there being an uproar about 50 Shades, with the film being rated 18 but the book obviously available to all.
I skimmed a copy of it a good while ago. It was shite lol. If I'd wanted to read it though I would have and my parents wouldn't have objected. Young people aren't as fragile as some people think we are.
 
Excellent points all. I was brought up without religion and it was left to me to decide for myself. I chose science. I did study comparative religions when I was still going to an actual school and while it was interesting from a comparative culture point of view, the religious content left me cold.

I've never actually seen a book with a suggested reading age apart from the local library segregating kids books from adults. They never commented on me taking out adult books though even when I was pretty young. Interestingly my mum had a completely different experience when she was young where she had to take a letter of permission from my granny to withdraw adult books.
My mum and dad were from different branches of the church, my father had hell in a Catholic school, my mother didn't go to a religious school but grew up with a mother who loved gospel music... They both let me and my brother attend Sunday school for the social aspect and when we were old enough asked if we wanted to be part of it, we both said no and gave similar reasons, we didn't like parts of the texts (it was also frowned upon if you questioned it ESPECIALLY in front of other people), whilst other parts and the community side we loved. That's why I say I respect faith but not organised religion in the form of a book dictating what I believe.

I can question science, and I can choose to accept good people as good people regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religion and at the base of it that is what the texts are supposedly saying, whereas a lot use it to excuse rejection of modern society and science. That's the bit I can't get behind. The cherry picking from the same text. Text is open to interpretation, and if something doesn't allow that, or encourage people to question and consider it a guide as opposed to a given, I don't want any part of it.

In terms of age restrictions on books, parental guidance would be the better option, and I'd hope parents would protect our youth from things until they were of age... But a baby cannot choose to read a Bible and accept Jesus as their saviour, nor can an 8 year old at communion without their parents telling them he is. Just as an 8 year old cannot pick up The 120 Days of Sodom and understand it in reference to what HR said. A child should be reading neither.
 
……..it is simply a history of life in those times…….
I like this perspective. Imagine the people 3,400 years from now who look back on our lives. How will they judge us?? 😨

Just for perspective we are in the year 2024 and that will be the year 5424. 🤯
 
parents should parent. the rating systems of current forms of entertainment are all a bunch of rubbish as it is. especially the u.s. mpaa ratings board. hardly any real rules or guidelines or rhyme and reason for ratings. just what some real fuddie duddies are feeling at any given moment. one fword is fine for 13-16yo but throw a second one in and you have to 17 to be able to handle it. meanwhile it's fine to see all kinds of violence. none of it makes sense.
 
My mum and dad were from different branches of the church, my father had hell in a Catholic school, my mother didn't go to a religious school but grew up with a mother who loved gospel music... They both let me and my brother attend Sunday school for the social aspect and when we were old enough asked if we wanted to be part of it, we both said no and gave similar reasons, we didn't like parts of the texts (it was also frowned upon if you questioned it ESPECIALLY in front of other people), whilst other parts and the community side we loved. That's why I say I respect faith but not organised religion in the form of a book dictating what I believe.

I can question science, and I can choose to accept good people as good people regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religion and at the base of it that is what the texts are supposedly saying, whereas a lot use it to excuse rejection of modern society and science. That's the bit I can't get behind. The cherry picking from the same text. Text is open to interpretation, and if something doesn't allow that, or encourage people to question and consider it a guide as opposed to a given, I don't want any part of it.

In terms of age restrictions on books, parental guidance would be the better option, and I'd hope parents would protect our youth from things until they were of age... But a baby cannot choose to read a Bible and accept Jesus as their saviour, nor can an 8 year old at communion without their parents telling them he is. Just as an 8 year old cannot pick up The 120 Days of Sodom and understand it in reference to what HR said. A child should be reading neither.
Agreed on freedom of religious choice, anyone should be free to entertain any beliefs they wish to. They shouldn't try to force it down other people's throats though, and they should be prepared to be challenged on their beliefs if they do.

For the vast majority, beliefs don't define people in general day to day contact, I have some lovely friends that have belief systems and we respect each other's choices. Tolerance is the thing. When people use their belief systems to attack something that is based on empirical evidence though, that's an entirely different matter. That's wilfully ignorant intolerance. The same goes for the belief systems we call conspiracy theories. Neil deGrasse Tyson ( a massive science hero of mine) makes some good points on these 🙂

As for the books, define child. At 16, I'm old enough to consent to sex, I'm old enough to vote in any Scottish elections and I'm mature enough to decide what I want to read. I was reading a lot of books written for adults when I was still in primary school and was encouraged to do so by my parents. We have a lot of books in our house probably upwards of 2,000 🙂 If a child wants to read and learn it should be encouraged. Rather than inflict censorship on reading matter it should be down to good parenting and guidance much the same as Internet access.
 
was given free rein to devour any type of entertainment i wanted. and i turned out fine (shut up, you know who you are)

parents should know what their own children should be able to handle.
 
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did i draw a pentagram on the basement floor and use frozen chicken breasts in place of sacrificing a a live chicken (see i knew that was wrong) to try a ritual that would make me a werewolf after watching an american werewolf in london and going to the library and finding a book on werewolves when i was like 11yo? yes yes i did. but it didn't work and no harm was done.
 
did i draw a pentagram on the basement floor and use frozen chicken breasts in place of sacrificing a a live chicken (see i knew that was wrong) to try a ritual that would make me a werewolf after watching an american werewolf in london and going to the library and finding a book on werewolves when i was like 11yo? yes yes i did. but it didn't work and no harm was done.
How did you go from using frozen chicken breasts in rituals, to stuffing your bra with them to increase your size?
 
Child as in younger children, at 14ish, generally you are getting a feel for the world and starting to gain knowledge on adult subjects. The Marquis De Sade books are a tough read for adults with their content. I certainly wouldn't recommend reading it before you were 16. But I also understand people can mature earlier, and again, I feel like that's where parenting comes in where parents can at least suggest waiting to read such books. Just like I wouldn't want anyone under 16 to watch A Serbian Film... Not because I think they're stupid, just because some topics are better suited to being older and more emotionally mature with the start of some kind of adulthood.
 
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