Spiritual POLICE

[Bread.]

Today i come to debate a topic of whether bums (homeless people) should be forcefully rehabiliated against their will.

There is a group in mexico called the "policia espritual" (spiritual police).

They go around in a cargo van "cohercedly" kidnapping bums who are alocholics, drug abusers, and general nobodies in society. They "forcefully" take them in their state of inhebriation, drug abuse, talk to them with compassion and ask them if they believe in the gospel. They tell them they are intervening out of the necessity to save them because if given then the choice, they always choose the drugs, because its their addiction. They take them home, rehabilitate them, teach them the ways of the gospel and the end result is a uplifted, functioning member of society.

Should every developed country have a spritual police or do you prefer they be "free will" nobodies to be forgotten about in society, rotting their lives away with drug abuse?

 

[Amazing Gracey]

No because holding people against there will isn't gonna truly change them. The only way there will change is if they take the initiative to make the change and trying to force people to change they are gonna fight back just as hard as you are to change them. In the end it will not boil over well.

 

[Bread.]

No because holding people against there will isn't gonna truly change them. The only way there will change is if they take the initiative to make the change and trying to force people to change they are gonna fight back just as hard as you are to change them. In the end it will not boil over well.

But God will

 

[emileh]

Forcing your beliefs on other is never going to end well.

 

[Bread.]

Talk to them with compassion and ask them if they believe in the gospel. They tell them they are intervening out of the necessity to save them because if given then the choice, they always choose the drugs, because its their addiction. They take them home, rehabilitate them, teach them the ways of the gospel and the end result is a uplifted, functioning member of society.

 

[-Luka]

what happens if they don’t believe in the gospel? is it selective to believers only? without disrespect to people who are in that situation, but I cannot imagine many of them have a faith. Hope yes, faith no.

Some could but I deffo believe these sorta beliefs are just disguised as cults.

Ps: the only people who should be disowned (not my word of choice but it’s off topic) are the worst depraved of society.

 

[emileh]

Bread. said:
Talk to them with compassion and ask them if they believe in the gospel. They tell them they are intervening out of the necessity to save them because if given then the choice, they always choose the drugs, because its their addiction. They take them home, rehabilitate them, teach them the ways of the gospel and the end result is a uplifted, functioning member of society.

 

[Bread.]

I'm not sure most of the videos I skimmed through the drug abusers were coherent enough to say they do believe in God. So a faith is established.

The words "kidnap" and " forcefully" are in parenthesis because they're not really kidnapping without free will. That would be illegal. But what they are doing is strongly intervening.they are interviewed at the rehabilitation center and are free to leave. But because they have hope and compassionate loving person,(the gospel) they don't.

These people are hopeless, both to themselves and to the society that fails to recognize them everyday. Majority of homeless people everywhere are invisible to the rest of society.

 

[Bread.]

ask them if they believe in the gospel. They tell them they are intervening out of the necessity to save them because if given then the choice, they always choose the drugs, because its their addiction. They take them home, rehabilitate them, teach them the ways of the gospel and the end result is a uplifted, functioning member of society.

Just because you know about math doesn't mean you can't be taught more about math.

 

[emileh]

Your statement implies that "teaching the ways of the 'gospel'" isn't optional. My original statement stands. Forcing your beliefs on others never ends well.

 

[Bread.]

It is a ministry performing gods work. No belief is being forced that's why they ask them about God during the intervention.

Does that mean if they don't believe in God they won't help them, no.

They are still doing gods work.

 

[Bread.]

Apparently this (free will)

Is better than this ("forced beliefs")

 

[emileh]

I'd call it charitable work but no charity should forcibly or coercively take action. That won't end well either.

 

[Bread.]

Won't end well as opposed to what?

Dying alone on the streets by a drug overdose? Starvation? Infections?

The pictures above show a much better "ending"
Than someone who was not forcefully intervened with at all.

 

[emileh]

No charity should forcefully intervene or use coercion for anything. The only people that should do that are actual legal authorities.

 

[Bread.]

The words "kidnap" and " forcefully" are in parenthesis because they're not really kidnapping without free will. That would be illegal. But what they are doing is strongly intervening.they are interviewed at the rehabilitation center and are free to leave. But because they have hope and compassionate loving person,(the gospel) they don't.

 

[Pandora]

We have a similar group here and I think its a good thing to have once its only guiding them to a way out of their addiction and despair not forcing. I've met ppl who have completely turned around their life not just because they were introduced to God or the gospel, but because they came to realise someone actually gives a **** and was determined and cared enough to see them through it. God was never forced on them but introduced as an alternative way of life by teachings etc. Some are still not completely sold on God but they are staying clean and have a better quality of life. At the end of the day I suspect not all or many do turn around completely or permanently though.

 

[Deleted member 307803]

Won't end well as opposed to what?

When it comes to power dynamics, any gaps left unfilled are often taken over by others. Just like in the past when the church competed for power with kings and queens, it's not very different today. What’s the problem with that? Despite our desire for and belief in a secular state, churches have enormous power to organize and influence people, in other words, to gain votes. They will always direct their followers towards their own interests, such as tax exemptions. So, it’s natural that churches might be against the state, socialism, or communism, and guide their followers towards the far right. And here’s the issue: when the church becomes a political player, it also gains the power to make political decisions. This is how you end up with aberrations like the Taliban, ISIS, and the Republic of Gilead.

If the State doesn't fill this void, the churches will.

 

[Deleted member 307803]

Won't end well as opposed to what?

Write this down. The world fertility rate is falling dramatically in Europe, the United States, Latin America and some Asian countries. Low fertility rate, population decline, in other words, low consumption, low profits for capitalists. Do you know what will happen? Feminists, LGBTS and abortion will be increasingly attacked. The church will play an important role in this, they will use the Bible to try to force women to have children. The churches will increasingly attack the right to abortion, gay marriage and trans rights, for example. Saying that it is God's will, but in reality, they will only be defending the interests of millionaires like Trump and Elon Musk (larger population, more consumption). The discourse against abortion, attacks on LGBTS and trans people will be increasingly aggressive, at the expense of saving humanity (💵💸💵)
This is just one example of the sh1t that is coming. Although you are naive in believing in the good deeds of the church, this is nothing more than building an electoral flock.

 

[Bread.]

Not violating their autonomy until their heart stops is the better answer.