'Error' when reporting and the unprofessionalism of 'RodeoMT'

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I haven't seen evidence, sir, however I've seen with my own two eyes how you are acting. If how you're treating people in this thread is how you treated this mod in private, then I have no sympathy for you.

I do care about racism in the chatrooms. I've kicked people for 2hrs for saying the n-word (after sufficient warnings and due process, of course) - and my admin has seen me do that.

However, from what evidence you've provided, I don't see a racial issue here *at all*. I see a failure in our report system, which I've attempted to gather more on. You can see that in this thread.

I'm more than willing to exit the conversation, but I must warn you - I'm being very nice to you, considering your abusive attitude. If someone else comes in on this thread, they probably won't be as nice as me.

Shame though, I was looking for an amicable resolve to your reports issue, but you seem only willing to be verbally abusive and abrasive.

Cheers, and good luck!
 
Hello,
I’ll just chime in here with my perspective. The first and very important thing is that (speaking for Mobile and Desktop) we take any type of racism, bigotry, hate speech, etc very seriously. When we get complaints of that nature we always investigate it and if we determine it has occurred, we take action against the perpetrator. Full stop.

In your particular case, you and I have dealt with each other for quite some time now, and you have brought to my attention multiple instances where you feel there have been violations of this type. And I think for the most part you’ve been satisfied with my responses.
We may not always agree on if something is racist or not (because there are grey areas in almost everything). But I feel I have at least explained my reasoning to you so you can understand our position.

In this specific case that you’re raising today there are really two parts. The technical part where you said you were unable to report something and the staff part where you feel you weren’t treated properly. I definitely want to address both parts.

The technical part: I think you already correctly identified the issue in the very beginning of your first post. I have seen cases where two people are in a pm and one of them puts the other on ignore and it renders the other person unable to make a report. Based on what @TheEridianNinja said this may be different for different rooms, maybe if they are on different servers, idk.
But regardless you should be able to report things you feel are violations, so continue to bring them to our attention and we will address them.

One solution others have used is if they are in a pm and they see a violation they report it even before responding to the other person and giving them a chance to put them on ignore. That way the staff can see the violation and deal with it. Just a thought.

The staff part: I’ve read your perspective and I also talked with Rodeo. It’s only fair to both sides that I get as much info as possible. You clearly feel you weren’t treated properly and I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m very hands on with the room mods and we have specific places where we communicate as a team and discuss issues and how things should be handled. This hopefully allows us to be more consistent in how we enforce the rules and also how we interact with room members.

Each staff are individuals and have their own way of operating. And I encourage that because it’s that individuality that makes things interesting and the room fun. As long as it’s done appropriately. In this specific case from everything I’ve seen, the staff tried to address your concern and gave you the proper information and resources you needed. If the way they interacted with you while they did that bothers you, then you have every right to express that.

I hope that since both sides have had a chance to have their side heard, we can move on and both sides can reflect on this situation and ways that will make the next interaction better.
If you want to continue this I’m perfectly fine doing that. It may be more efficient to do it in the room in a real-time pm. It would also be easier for you to show me anything you want to there. But it’s your call.

Thanks
 
RodeoMT said:
Strange. I call out people for racism all the time. The admin has seen me do it.
Why am I the only moderator that you seem to accuse of this.
I do not care what color race religion or sexual orientation a user is. I apply the rules fairly. I even bent over backward to accomidate you.
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How odd.

I never said you you cared about my race, colour, or religion, yet you repeatedly raise it as the issue.

Me thinks you doth protest a little too much.
 
Thank you for the support, but this matter really needs to be handled by the Admin, he is accusing me of violating every rule mods work by.
And from an account he created today.

So thanks but let the Difference handle this.

Yes I know some of you have thanked me when I mod. but the only thing that is ever mentioned is when a user feels mistreated, and I felt that way, I'd be upset too. But egging him on is not helping me or my case.
 
RodeoMT said:
he is accusing me of violating every rule mods work by.
And from an account he created today.
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Not withstanding the hyperbole, if you are referring to this account I am currently using, yes I created it today, because I've had enough of being fobbed off by racists and mods.

You told me to complain on here. I took up your offer.
 
@Mogwai786

You received a response from @TheDifference regarding your moderator complaint six hours ago, but you haven’t responded to that since.

If you’d like to continue discussing other topics, please use the “Everything Else” section of the forums, and keep the forum rules in mind when doing so.

Since there’s been no further engagement on the mod complaint for six hours, I’ll be closing this thread for now. It may be reopened at @TheDifference ‘s discretion when they’re back online.
 
Hi there, you received a response from the moderator and you also received a response from me. I was waiting for you to give a counter response to that but you never did. Since you’re opening this up again, what exactly would you like to say or accomplish?
 
TheDifference said:
Hi there, you received a response from the moderator and you also received a response from me. I was waiting for you to give a counter response to that but you never did. Since you’re opening this up again, what exactly would you like to say or accomplish?
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What are you talking about? You asked me in your last message if I wanted to pursue the matter further, and I do.

You wanted more information, that meant waiting to go back to my laptop when I got home, fetching the screengrabs, cropping & uploading them. In other words, it took time to gather the information and gather my thoughts. Shutting down discussion so quickly is pathetic and reeks of killing the complaint to protect the Chat Admin's fragile ego.

Trigger happy InkTats clearly couldn't emotionally cope with being irrelevant so decided to close the chat without bothering to ask if the matter had been concluded on my end. Another illustration of either structural incompetence or bad faith and malicious actors.

Here are the screengrabs from the opening of my conversation with 'RodeoMT':

Do you think this opening is an acceptable way to deal with my complaint?


In his first response he misled
In his second reply he implied I am lying or being untruth despite it being established there is a technical error.
In his third reply he refers back to a previous & completely unconnected incident that took place many, many months ago, and has absolutely no bearing or weight on the issue of racial abuse that I wanted to complain about.

At the very least, 'RodeoMT' sought to downplay my issues and concerns, refused to even acknowledge the problems I was having, and instead chose to imply I was somehow at fault, because of an alleged incident that happen half a year ago.

Are you going to say this is an acceptable way of dealing with a user's concerns about racist abuse?
 
I think you both started out ok. I don’t really see any glaring problems with the way that either of you were talking to each other. There may have been a little miscommunication, and things may have devolved a bit, but I think we’ve resolved the technical issue part of things.
 
Mogwai786 said:
What are you talking about? You asked me in your last message if I wanted to pursue the matter further, and I do.

You wanted more information, that meant waiting to go back to my laptop when I got home, fetching the screengrabs, cropping & uploading them. In other words, it took time to gather the information and gather my thoughts. Shutting down discussion so quickly is pathetic and reeks of killing the complaint to protect the Chat Admin's fragile ego.

Trigger happy InkTats clearly couldn't emotionally cope with being irrelevant so decided to close the chat without bothering to ask if the matter had been concluded on my end. Another illustration of either structural incompetence or bad faith and malicious actors.

Here are the screengrabs from the opening of my conversation with 'RodeoMT':

Do you think this opening is an acceptable way to deal with my complaint?


In his first response he misled
In his second reply he implied I am lying or being untruth despite it being established there is a technical error.
In his third reply he refers back to a previous & completely unconnected incident that took place many, many months ago, and has absolutely no bearing or weight on the issue of racial abuse that I wanted to complain about.

At the very least, 'RodeoMT' sought to downplay my issues and concerns, refused to even acknowledge the problems I was having, and instead chose to imply I was somehow at fault, because of an alleged incident that happen half a year ago.

Are you going to say this is an acceptable way of dealing with a user's concerns about racist abuse?
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You're so lucky the room admin is a patient person I tell ya.
 
TheDifference said:
I think you both started out ok. I don’t really see any glaring problems with the way that either of you were talking to each other. There may have been a little miscommunication, and things may have devolved a bit, but I think we’ve resolved the technical issue part of things.
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Are you suggesting that:

-I was not misled by 'RodeoMT'?
-that my concerns were not dismissed out of hand?
-that 'RodeoMT' did not inappropriately refer back to a previous incident in an attempt to cast doubt and undermine the seriousness of my complaint?
 
Mogwai786 said:
Are you suggesting that:

-I was not misled by 'RodeoMT'?
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It did not appear to me that he misled you.
Mogwai786 said:
-that my concerns were not dismissed out of hand?
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It did not appear to me that he dismissed your concerns.
Mogwai786 said:
-that 'RodeoMT' did not inappropriately refer back to a previous incident in an attempt to cast doubt and undermine the seriousness of my complaint?
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I’m not going to get inside his head or yours to guess why someone did what they did.

You’ve laid out your complaint. The moderator has seen it. I’ve seen it. We’ve both responded. I think we have hopefully resolved the technical part and you should be able to alert us to any future concerns that you have using the system tools that are in place. But if you ever can’t use the reporting function this is an open invitation to pm me anytime and I’ll review any concerns you have. Fair enough?
 
Blether said:
That's okay

But you could at least appreciate the fact that the room admin is being more than accomodating and balanced with you.

Let it slide dude. No one died
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Everyone is sticking their nose in with an opinion, but there's only two persons that are relevant to this, or know what happened.

You ain't one of them, you're just looking for drama.

Go away.
 
Mogwai786 said:
Everyone is sticking their nose in with an opinion, but there's only two persons that are relevant to this, or know what happened.

You ain't one of them, you're just looking for drama.

Go away.
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Sweetie

All I'm doing in this thread is describing the room admin being communicative.

Good luck to ya son.

Going away.
 
The only reason I referred back to the past history you have is that the reason you could not make a report back then was because you where blocked by another user for harassing them.

It was to eliminate a possible reason you were not able to report currently.

All i can tell you is that you have selectively taken the parts out of the chat that you see as benefitting you.

I have turned this issue over to my Administrator, and I have nothing further to add to this discussion.

Other users, mods and admins while I appreciate you supporting me. Even those that have no idea who I am. I ask that you now let go and let my Admin handle this.

Thank you all
 
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