The Musings of DeletedMember7

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TheEridianNinja said:
I'm unwatching this thread.

I'm disgusted by Chat Avenue at this point. But fine, freedom of speech and belief and such.

Look, it's fine if you disagree Mr.DeletedMember, but you're refuting a scientific article with no other evidence. Not only that, but you're attacking the scientist who performed the article (ad-homiem, might I add)

But using someone's preferred pronouns is a basic form of respect. If I called you a she (or a he, if you are AFAB - assigned female at birth) would you take kindly to it? Would you not care? I've met some men that get very aggressive if you deliberately use the wrong gender. Why would a trans person *not* act the same way?

This kind of thinking is rather hostile, and it's shown throughout this thread that you yourself are very hostile, and that's why I'm disgusted with Chat Avenue right now. You can speak about your beliefs, but degrading people the way you have is unacceptable.

That goes for the other person in the argument as well, this disagreement has gone long past what it needed to. Ignore and move on.
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in my humble opinion ... the entire thread has been a ****-show
 
DeletedMember7 said:
@emileh you can go to statsforgender.org


1.Ideologly. More patients on puberty blockers saw their distress deteriorate than improve
2. There is no high quality evidence supporting the use of puberty blockers for gender distress
3. Medical transition. Gender affirming surgery is associated with increased risk of depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation and substance abuse
4. Estrogen. estrogen use in trans identified males is associated with a wide range of serious health risks including blood clots, stroke, cancer, infertility and cognitive decline

5. Hormones. Medical transition puts both males and females at risk of infertility
6. There is a significant burden of chronic pain in trans identified individuals with an increased risk among those receiving cross sex hormones
7. Ideology. The linguistic term 'two spirit ' was invented in 1990
8. Pronouns 'its in this section click on it' One study showed that without social transition, nearly two thirds of pre teen gender dysphoric males grow up to be gay or bisexual
9. Females. Depression symptoms got worse in children taking puberty blockers
10. Sexuality. In one study of detransitioners, males were three times more likely than females to have transitioned for erotic reasons.

You can look at the Cass review,
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I have to say ... whether you or I, or anyone ... 'likes or dislikes' these points ... they are true.
scientifically proven, also.
eg the cass review
 
RandomGuyUK said:
I have to say ... whether you or I, or anyone ... 'likes or dislikes' these points ... they are true.
scientifically proven, also.
eg the cass review
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Yep the Cass review was ignored by mainstream media and so was the WPATH files. World professional association of transgender health. That was an even bigger blow to the gender ideology zealots than the cass review.

The WPATH files leaks showed they tried to suppress an independent John Hopkins university evidence review .

Many wpath members are not even clinicians they're activists. Clinical guidance from wpath was found to rely on circular referencing and activism rather than robust data. Ideological stances have influenced 'gender affirming care' leading to treatments not evidence based.

Members of wpath were shown on video calls talking about how they knew children could not consent to puberty blockers, cross sex hormones.

Marci Bowers, wpath president at the time was on video call saying 'children cannot consent to procedures with lifelong sterility' and yet they went ahead with it.

Usa HSS assistant health secretary Rachel levine, a trans woman was pressuring them to remove age minimums to align with Biden administration policies in 2021 - 2022. After the Wpath leaks and Cass review '388 pages' some countries banned puberty blockers for children, the tavistock centre in the uk was closed. It's Pseudoscience and tooth fairy medicine it's bs.

TLDR? The Wpath files were even worse than the Cass review.
 
DeletedMember7 said:
Yep the Cass review was ignored by mainstream media and so was the WPATH files. World professional association of transgender health. That was an even bigger blow to the gender ideology zealots than the cass review.

The WPATH files leaks showed they tried to suppress an independent John Hopkins university evidence review .

Many wpath members are not even clinicians they're activists. Clinical guidance from wpath was found to rely on circular referencing and activism rather than robust data. Ideological stances have influenced 'gender affirming care' leading to treatments not evidence based.

Members of wpath were shown on video calls talking about how they knew children could not consent to puberty blockers, cross sex hormones.

Marci Bowers, wpath president at the time was on video call saying 'children cannot consent to procedures with lifelong sterility' and yet they went ahead with it.

Usa HSS assistant health secretary Rachel levine, a trans woman was pressuring them to remove age minimums to align with Biden administration policies in 2021 - 2022. After the Wpath leaks and Cass review '388 pages' some countries banned puberty blockers for children, the tavistock centre in the uk was closed. It's Pseudoscience and tooth fairy medicine it's bs.

TLDR? The Wpath files were even worse than the Cass review.
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true dat.
the tavistock clinic was closed down yes. And RIGHTLY SO.

and btw - anyone who supports the 'Stonewall' organisation right now, is questionable.
a suspect, suspicious person.

'drag-time', 'drag-queen' story hour?
men who support this idea are very suspicious.

Men who like kids ... their own children ... and looking after them in loco parentis ... that is totally fine and normal.

BUT ...
Men who like dressing up as women in front of children?
That is not ok.
that IS NOT OK.
 
Soapie said:
Why not?
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He's going to want to avoid taking kids to a pantomime then.

Also kids wouldn't be in the least disturbed seeing a man dressed as a woman (isn't it odd that it's always that way around and never a woman dressed as a man?). They might be curious or they might find it funny. They'd certainly be entertained!

The wonderful thing about kids is that they're free from the nastier misconceptions that adults have about people.
 
emileh said:
isn't it odd that it's always that way around and never a woman dressed as a man?
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Seems this was specifically about drag queens, which as far as my limited knowledge goes, is specifically a man putting on a performance as a woman, idk if theres another term for the other way around but yeah.

I see the point you are making tho, I made the same one in the other thread, and absolutely. (Applies to the rest you said also)
 
emileh said:
He's going to want to avoid taking kids to a pantomime then.

Also kids wouldn't be in the least disturbed seeing a man dressed as a woman (isn't it odd that it's always that way around and never a woman dressed as a man?). They might be curious or they might find it funny. They'd certainly be entertained!

The wonderful thing about kids is that they're free from the nastier misconceptions that adults have about people.
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The people in pantomimes don't have a fetish. You don't speak on behalf of kids. Why don't drag queens do 'drag queen shows' for old people in retirement homes?

You went silent when I posted about and my other post about the WPATH files and Cass review. Feel free to go to statsforgender.org 😊
 
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DeletedMember7 said:
The people in pantomimes don't have a fetish. You don't speak on behalf of kids. Why don't drag queens do 'drag queen shows' for old people in retirement homes?

You went silent when I posted about statsforgender.org and my other post about the WPATH files and Cass review. Feel free to go to statsforgender.com 😊
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I told you. I'm too busy with revision for my end of semester exams to bother with your nonsense right now.

You're a one trick pony as I've said many many times on here. Obvious transphobe is obvious.

Now back to what's really important right now.
 
emileh said:
I told you. I'm too busy with revision for my end of semester exams to bother with your nonsense right now.

You're a one trick pony as I've said many many times on here. Obvious transphobe is obvious.

Now back to what's really important right now.
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What were the odds of you putting in your 'transphobe' slur? It was guaranteed. You claim to love peer reviewed studies, you repeatedly begged me to look at the studies you were talking about. You know the 'studies' that transpired NOT to be conclusive, then when I give you the opportunity to look at studies you're.... 'too busy' lol
 
Soapie said:
...because they can pay to go and see it on a stage?
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That doesn't make sense. Children don't pay money to see 'drag queen shows' or for 'drag queen story hour' also the drag queens could GO to old people's retirement homes but they don't.
 
RandomGuyUK said:
okey dokey, people.
and admins, who moved the messages.
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Let's do it in other places so they can have something more to do. It's good. It's engaging but don't tell them I suggested anything. I know the UM who did it, poor sod haha lol. Love em tho, love em all!
 
DeletedMember7 said:
'Everyone is allowed their opinion ' unless their opinion differs from yours on the topic of Lgbt. Isn't that right Louize. When people who are NOT lgbt convey their opinion and you disagree, you denigrate them, you assert they have a phobia, you say they're hateful, bigots etc etc. Many on the left do this. In real life and on this forum.

They do exactly what they say shouldn't be done to them i e attack people for being different and having different beliefs, views.

The words bigot, transphobe are the words you 'and many use as a slur. The 'trans people are being attacked for existing ' narrative is ridiculous. All humans exist. They are losing the support of the majority of people because of what some in that community are DOING it's not because of them BEING trans. There's a difference.

Even some trans people have said it's gone too far. What are they doing?

Demanding compelled speech, demanding people use their pronouns, cancel culture, demanding to use the changing areas of the opposite sex, compete in the sports of the opposite sex, distorting language, trying to erode the meaning of woman to accomodate their own identity, ideology is being imposed onto children as if it's imperical scientific fact, the ramifications of this include confusion , sterilization, medicalistion, mutilation.
They are Infringing on women's rights.

It's not about them 'existing ' it's about what they're doing.

How many trans activists advocate for trans only spaces, sports? None, zero.

You say christians believe in an imaginary being. Ok I say trans people believe in an imaginary identity. Funny how you never tell muslims they believe in an imaginary being, it's against the woke rules isn't it Louise you can only mock , criticise Christians because muslims have 'oppressed group 'status. You won't be called christianphobic.

It's illegal to be lgbt in muslim countries but most LGBT people, most leftists are silent about that fact, instead their vitriol is directed at Christians and Christian countries. If lgbt people moved to muslim countries and be openly lgbt there they would understand what discrimination and oppression is.
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@emileh

this.

it was a lot to read, but it was pretty sensible.
logical, real, and true sense.

it was a point of view.
not insulting or rude.
 
emileh said:
If you haven't read and understood the actual science, meaning reading the scientific paper I cited that had been published and peer reviewed, note: Published, peer reviewed scientific paper which is the antithesis of the pseudoscience you think exists, taken it into account or formulated a response to refute it based on scientific argument then you have nothing to say that means anything. It's all just your dogma driven, bigoted, transphobic opinions repeated over and over and over ad nauseum.
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just because a paper is 'peer-reviewed', doent mean it is true.

'science' doesnt mean 'settled facts'.
Science is an ongoing process of questioning everything.

some things seem more true than other things yes ... but science is a process of always questioning.

Gay people, and trans people questioned things ...
and that was fine; and we have different understandings of things now.

but your intolerance of other views is exactly what the conservative Right-wing did, decades ago.

all views should be allowed. in the marketplace of ideas.

If one is intolerant, and tries to shut down other peoples' views and opinions, then you are in the wrong.
 
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