Trumps speech tonight 7/16

Icarus said:
You really gotta stop talking for everyone else. Just because you don't care about any other elections, doesnt mean you can speak for the other 350 million Americans. Many of them actually keep an eye on elections in places like Canada, Mexico, the UK, france, and other allied countries. The fact that you only care about the US and think everyone else does too shows your ignorance. You are blindly following Trump and his narrative and it appears you have been brainwashed completely. You believe whatever they tell you to believe.

And the "rolling over for us" part isn't nearly as true as you think as shown recently. Noone is scared of the US anymore and many countries don't want anything to do with them. Any credibility or heavy influence they may have had in the past has been diminished due to Trump and his presidency. Trump is the sole reason that many countries are moving away from the United States and moving towards countries like China
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Most countries rolled over for us because of our money actually. And the elections of other countries don't affect us. It's that simple. We just exploit the cheaper labor of other countries. The nasty, dirty, polluting industries we just exported so their people can get sick instead of ours.

There's plenty of videos online of US citizens who can't name the last 5 US presidents. You think they know anyone else's leaders? I don't know one person who can name the leader of another country in real life except my older brother, but he's a UK television fanatic. Lol.

Like I said. Your leadership failed you. Hold them accountable that the president of another country is making your life miserable.

The USA is only reliant on other countries because our elite made it that way while screwing us over too. We don't actually need other countries. Our elites do though.
 
Icarus said:
So you just called your country corrupt, you called your citizens intellectually stupid, and you admitted the US relies on other countries?

Folks, I am calling this one a win and going rhe fuk to sleep🙂
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Our elites rely on other countries. Your countries don't affect ours so why would we? UK is about to get a new prime minister and not one American cares. What can they do? And **** yeah the US is corrupt. That's why we own most of the planet now. 😉 Luckily Trump is fixing this.
 
Icarus said:
Also just because you don't know any other politicians, that doesnt mean other Americans don't. Plenty of Americans know Mark Carney, Justin Trudeau, Putin, Xi Jingping, Kim jong-un,
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Some of us know other leaders because it's our hobby. It's not gonna change anything for us if a country chooses poorly. We'll just sanction them, bomb them, or overthrow them if they do. 😏

According to the world we choose terribly, and there's nothing they can do about it. Think about that.
 
Thunderdome said:
Our elites rely on other countries. Your countries don't affect ours so why would we? And **** yeah the US is corrupt. That's why we own most of the planet now. 😉 Luckily Trump is fixing this.
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Own most of the planet?😂😂😂

Do you hear the crap coming out of your mouth?

Thunderdome said:
Your countries don't affect ours
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Canada supplies most of your unrefined oil, lumber,steel and other things. We also provide water AND electricity to large parts if the US. We could cut off your water supply and leave large parts of the US in the dark in a matter of hours if we really wanted to. Of course thats a last ditch effort for when we really need it and we are too good if allies ti actually do that even though yall deserve it.

But never forget that you need other countries as much as we need you. The US relies in many countries for things
 
Thunderdome said:
We'll just sanction them, bomb them, or overthrow them if they do. 😏
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Holy shít, I can see why you are a Trump supporter. You are 100% okay with all of the illegal and immoral stuff he has done and is currently doing. No wonder you defend him so hard. You are just as terrible of a person as he is. Lots of maga are blinded and don't see the bad in Trump. You see it and you embrace it. I feel bad for you actually.

You see how evil and corrupt the US is right now and you love it because it benefits you. It fúcks over everyone else, but hey atleast it benefits you, right?
 
Icarus said:
Own most of the planet?😂😂😂

Do you hear the crap coming our if your mouth?


Canada supplies most of your unrefined oil, lumber,steel and other things. We also provide water AND electricity to large parts if the US. We could cut off your water supply and leave large parts of the US in the dark in a matter of hours if we really wanted to. Of course thats a last ditch effort for when we really need it and we are too good if allies ti actually do that even though yall deserve it.

But never forget that you need other countries as much as we need you. The US relies in many countries for things
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We can strike anywhere in the world within minutes. Shutdown the economy of a majority of countries instantly. We can overthrow a country's leadership in months. The world is absolutely at our mercy. I don't think that's the way it should be, but that's the way it is. Lol.

Also throwing Canada a bone to help them out doesn't mean we need them. Lol. Complete difference. Yeah they could shut that off. It would take us a month or 2 to recover. But that's about it.
 
Icarus said:
Holy shít, I can see why you are a Trump supporter. You are 100% okay with all of the illegal and immoral stuff he has done and is currently doing. No wonder you defend him so hard. You are just as terrible of a person as he is. Lots of maga are blinded and don't see the bad in Trump. You see it and you embrace it. I feel bad for you actually.

You see how evil and corrupt the US is right now and you love it because it benefits you. It fúcks over everyone else, but hey atleast it benefits you, right?
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Oh we have never sanctioned, bombed, or overthrew governments and countries before Trump? Lol
 
Thunderdome said:
You do realize celebrities pay because it's less risky than facing a jury right? Everyone knows this.
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Youre such a bullsh*t artist. Its still amusing to me that you tried to escape criticism for supporting Trump by claiming you voted for Bernie twice, then make posts like this.

Youre a MAGA supporter. Only Trump's supporters stay away from incriminating news on Trump, while the rest of society is aware he was not only found guilty by a jury, but the judge said there's enough evidence to classify his crime as r*pe. He was convicted on SA. Defending this man by downplaying his behavior and crimes, says a lot about you and anyone else who does the same.
 
Icarus said:
You claim to "run the world" yet you can't even handle Iran. Think about that for a bit. If you can't even beat Iran, how can you claim to be as powerful as you say. Its all talk and nothing to show for it
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Iran can't take out even one of our carriers. We have to hold back. It's the law that does that. We're not limited in capabilities.
 
Thunderdome said:
Our elites rely on other countries. Your countries don't affect ours so why would we? UK is about to get a new prime minister and not one American cares. What can they do? And **** yeah the US is corrupt. That's why we own most of the planet now. 😉 Luckily Trump is fixing this.
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We do not own most of the Planet, and the only thing Trump is doing is alienating us from allies and undoing everything this country stood for. Hopefully he dies within the next few years, by whatever method. In death, it'll be the only time hes been useful to society. When hes gone, you people will be ostracized, not taken seriously and looked down on as the people who got us into this mess. You will plead your case saying you didnt know, that you were tricked, yadda yadda.
 
And is that really your argument? "Everyone else does bad things so why can't trump?"

Like get a fúcking brain dude. You are supporting a criminal who has a bigger ego than the fúcking eiffel tower. He is a narcissistic predator and you follow him blindly
 
Icarus said:
You claim to "run the world" yet you can't even handle Iran. Think about that for a bit. If you can't even beat Iran, how can you claim to be as powerful as you say. Its all talk and nothing to show for it
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Theyre typical Republicans. Too chicken sh*t to serve, but love exploiting the military to use as a flex and show theyre expendable by cheering on Wars.
 
Icarus said:
Name any other American politician that is even an ounce as bad as trump. I'll wait
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Ugh where do I start? Clinton along with other democrats and republicans with the mass incarceration laws in the 90s that targeted young black men most of all labeling them "super predators". The repeal of Glass-Stegall in 98 another bipartisan effort that lead to the 2008 crash. Bush jr for fabricating a war with bipartisan support well as the bipartisan effort to enact the Patroit Act. Obama bombing families in the middle east with missile drones and when asked about it said, "I don't oversee that stuff." <<< literal war crimes. Obama and bipartisan effort to push through the Transpacific Partnership that was deregulation of every industry of every country with a border to the pacific as well as the largest give up of sovereignty since we joined the United Nations. Corporations under that partnership would have complete direct control over our laws. The insider trading with both democrats and republicans doing it long before Trump came along. Need I say more? I can go back more than 30ish years if you'd like. Lol.
 
Whos_Laffing_now said:
Theyre typical Republicans. Too chicken sh*t to serve, but love exploiting the military to use as a flex and show theyre expendable by cheering on Wars.
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I don't even have a problem with Republicans. Atleast they believe in something that could be good for America. Something they genuinely think will make America better. Maga is only in it for themselves and they know that. They are selfish and greedy.

I hope that after all of this MAGA **** is done, the Republicans and democrats have less hate towards each other. They can see how tame they both are compared to extremist groups like this
 
Icarus said:
Name any other American politician that is even an ounce as bad as trump. I'll wait
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Icarus said:
And is that really your argument? "Everyone else does bad things so why can't trump?"

Like get a fúcking brain dude. You are supporting a criminal who has a bigger ego than the fúcking eiffel tower. He is a narcissistic predator and you follow him blindly
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Its their inability to do their own research and form their own opinion. It also would be an inconvenience to them to hold Trump accountable. Theyre not good at expressing emotions because they lack empathy. So its easier for them to just say other politicians are bad too, without providing any examples. They've done this long before you and I were born, and typically the "both sides are bad" argument is used when a Republican in power is messing up the country, like Nixon and Bush. They really have no critical thinking skills
 
Screem said:
Lyndsey Graham(well, not anymore), Mitch McConnell, Scott Perry, Doug Mastriano just to name a few.
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Thunderdome is doing the "Trump is bad? Look at the Democrats" argument. Mamdani is their new Obama. The difference is, Democrats handle their sh*t. They just made one of their own resign over sexual assault allegations. I myself, didnt vote for Biden when he won, because the r*pe allegations didnt sit well with me and Id feel like a hypocrite if I criticized Trump for his r*pe history. People are too loyal to politicians and not country. In fact, moderate democrats (Hillary supporters at the time) thought I was MAGA because I wanted the allegations into Biden to be investigated. I even got called a Russian bot. I havent use FB since.
Icarus said:
I don't even have a problem with Republicans. Atleast they believe in something that could be good for America. Something they genuinely think will make America better. Maga is only in it for themselves and they know that. They are selfish and greedy.

I hope that after all of this MAGA **** is done, the Republicans and democrats have less hate towards each other. They can see how tame they both are compared to extremist groups like this
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The Republican party is currently no more. Its the party of MAGA, and even the majority of Republicans who talk trash on Trump behind closed doors, won't do it because they want to keep their job, and now they see people being suspended over criticism like this recent high ranking FBI agent who was suspended after being secretly recorded saying Trump is a narcissist and a threat to America who got us into war because of his ego.
 
Icarus said:
I'm going to be honest, as bad as they may be, I still don't think they compare to Donald Trump
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There are worse, but theyre not politicians. Look up Peter Theil, and his connections to white supremacy and Nazism in South Africa. He offers surveillance for while administration on political enemies and wants to change society so were living in Cyberpunk 2077.
 
@Icarus so you ask me proof and don't respond. It's all on public record. You say I voted for the wrong person, but don't even know what the other person's plan was. You call me a blind sheep, but it is you with the obvious and glaring gaps of US history showing. Smh.
 
Thunderdome said:
You must have loved when the Cheneys endorsed Kamala which she welcomed warmly. 🤔
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What does that have to do with anything? It actually speaks volumes when even a fellow War criminal sees Trump as an unfit putz. He only endorsed Kamala because he didnt want to endorse the man who acts like some of these psychotic, unhinged autistic/bi polar 1 type people on this site. Even Trump's posts on Truth Social look like him spazing out in the kick complaint forum.

You know who endorsed Trump and not Kamala? An ex Grand Wizard from the KKK (David Duke), along with literal neo nazis who showed their support by flying the Swastika on over passes the day Trump was re-elected. In fact, Trump is the reason we now have these overt white supremacist organizations who used to move in secrecy. So get the f*ck outta here with this bulllllllsh*t.
 
Inkandtatts said:
Who cares? She lost. Debating it makes no difference - it’s not like the election can be overturned (unlike what the right thought in 2020).

I don’t think anybody really knew what Trump’s plan was either - largely because he’s reactive to whatever the perceived popular things are. That’s why he’s so good; he plays people and they fall for it every time. Every. Single. Time.
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I don’t think Trump knew his own plan. I think he just does stuff on the fly.
 
Creed101 said:
It’s a plan involving China. Because China China China.
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Dude is obsessed with China, then on the way out of his failure first term, he sold our chips to China, which helped them in not only gaining an edge on our technology, but surpass it. Theres a reason theyre makinh the best affordable EVs now, and cannot be sold in America.

I hope when he dies, its a long process that scares him and hes in tremendous pain. I hope he also sh*ts himself on the way out. As a Christian, I shouldn't say that. My grandma always said not to wish death on others, but she died in 86' and thankfully never got to witness this. My grandfather would have had a stroke seeing the amount of people supporting literal Nazism, after the War caused so much trauma and changed him as a person.
 
So you're tell me a bunch of people here arguing politics have no idea what the plans put forth in the previous election were, but you're saying over half America voted wrong because your feelings? Yikes.

Don't worry guys. Us responsible voters got ya covered. Lol.
 
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the bigger idiot is the idiot that argues with an idiot and expecting a different result in conversation...those conversations always involve religion and/or politics.

The wiser person learns when to STFU.

No wise people here.
 
AussieCyclist said:
the bigger idiot is the idiot that argues with an idiot and expecting a different result in conversation...those conversations always involve religion and/or politics.

The wiser person learns when to STFU.

No wise people here.
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My apologies for trying to debate in the "Debate" forums.

Also my apologies for chatting in a chat forums.
I will try my best to not do this in the future😔
 
Icarus said:
What I mean is that the controversy with ICE these days may cause alot of independent voters to lean left this election, especially if those independent voters really hate how ICE has been acting
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I doubt it. I think it's more wishcasting from the media. The left isn't being reasonable or logical. They just want to abolish ICE. Independents know that's ludicrous. While some retraining and reforms might be in order, abolishing the agency isn't an option. They do perform an important and necessary function. Every single country has an ICE. But if the left is going to squawk all date about abolishing them and law enforcement, then they're going to look like abunch of loons.
 
Icarus said:
Trump was also forced to pay a woman 5 million dollars because he was found liable for sexual assault and defamation. That's who you want as your president?
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Honestly don't care. I know how the civil court system works. Preponderance of the evidence. Not a reasonable doubt. She had a lot of holes in her case. It wasn't a slam dunk by any means. I'm sure you can find a ton of cases that were questionable. So yeah, I don't care a bit.

I want a president that's going to do something. Especially on the border and Iran. Not a single President in 47 years bothered to do a thing about Iran killing Americans. He's finally doing something about it. People were going to vote for Biden? He was as bad as a lame duck president as of the day he took office. He didn't do anything.
 
NavyWings said:
Honestly don't care. I know how the civil court system works. Preponderance of the evidence. Not a reasonable doubt. She had a lot of holes in her case. It wasn't a slam dunk by any means. I'm sure you can find a ton of cases that were questionable. So yeah, I don't care a bit.

I want a president that's going to do something. Especially on the border and Iran. Not a single President in 47 years bothered to do a thing about Iran killing Americans. He's finally doing something about it. People were going to vote for Biden? He was as bad as a lame duck president as of the day he took office. He didn't do anything.
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Question for you. How much of our taxpayer dollars are funding that war? Why are gas prices and groceries still high? The love of God don’t blame Biden because look at how long Trump’s been president. During the midterm election he’s going to lose one if not potentially both chambers. It’s coming. People are frustrated at him, even in his own party his voters.
 
Creed101 said:
Question for you. How much of our taxpayer dollars are funding that war? Why are gas prices and groceries still high? The love of God don’t blame Biden because look at how long Trump’s been president. During the midterm election he’s going to lose one if not potentially both chambers. It’s coming. People are frustrated at him, even in his own party his voters.
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When they gutted the Glass-Steagall in 1998 it took 10 years for the collapse to happen. Everyone who knew what the bill did saw it coming too. Bernie was warning about it in 2001. Of course democrat and republican shills in the government and media mocked him. Then when the collapsed happened they forgot the warnings. Acted surprised and that there was no way anyone could have predicted it. The changes like Trump is making take many years to cause change. And yes he promised fast change, but how is that different from anyone else?

My point is I see both sides complaining about the other side, but never hold their own side accountable. We are responsible for our own actions. What we vote for. Turning a blind eye to your own mistakes ensures you'll keep repeating them. Both sides pretend their own side had nothing to do with why everything is getting so messed up. It's insanity because both sides are to blame.
 
Both sides are to blame for sure, I agree with that, but only one party actually holds the office right now and has the power to make change for better or worse. And they are actively making it worse (in my opinion).
 
Icarus said:
Both sides are to blame for sure, I agree with that, but only one party actually holds the office right now and has the power to make change for better or worse. And they are actively making it worse (in my opinion).
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Every single administration has made it worse. Lol. You can be mad at this one all you want, but you're mad at particular turd in a mountain of them. Lol.

What disappoints me about people is they abandon their morals as soon as it suits them. Like the people who damaged Teslas and setting them on fire. The dealerships too. They were all about saving the Earth and getting out off fossil fuels until they didn't like Elon anymore. Then they said screw electric vehicles. Screw the environment. Lots of examples of this on both sides. Conservatives crying about censorship, but then applauding the FCC chairman for trying to get Jimmy Kimmel sacked. It goes on and on.

People say I am a flip flopper or fake this and that. The truth is I am a don't hurt other people or destroy the stuff they worked hard for to buy kind of guy. I believe in helping people who need it, but not enabling nihilism or laziness. I don't believe in God. I believe we got this one life. It's logical we should make the most of it. I am an anti-extremist and online that is the worst thing to be according to both sides. I talk to someone claiming to be centrist until I disagree with them and all of a sudden they are bringing up all the crimes of one side, but not the other. That's not centrist. Most people are really well versed in the wrong doings of one side and because of that justifies anything their side does.

I already see what happens after 2028. If the Democrats win and start making things worse their supporters will say, "At least they are not as bad as Trump." The conservatives will say it's the end of the world. And vice versa. A Conservative wins and starts messing crap up and getting us into more wars and their supporters will say, "Still better than a democrat." And the democrats will cry it's the end of the world.

Around and around ya'll go until you're old and things are 10x worse and wishing you could go back to the good old days while the new generation blames you for all their problems.
 
Thunderdome said:
Every single administration has made it worse. Lol. You can be mad at this one all you want, but you're mad at particular turd in a mountain of them. Lol.

What disappoints me about people is they abandon their morals as soon as it suits them. Like the people who damaged Teslas and setting them on fire. The dealerships too. They were all about saving the Earth and getting out off fossil fuels until they didn't like Elon anymore. Then they said screw electric vehicles. Screw the environment. Lots of examples of this on both sides. Conservatives crying about censorship, but then applauding the FCC chairman for trying to get Jimmy Kimmel sacked. It goes on and on.

People say I am a flip flopper or fake this and that. The truth is I am a don't hurt other people or destroy the stuff they worked hard for to buy kind of guy. I believe in helping people who need it, but not enabling nihilism or laziness. I don't believe in God. I believe we got this one life. It's logical we should make the most of it. I am an anti-extremist and online that is the worst thing to be according to both sides. I talk to someone claiming to be centrist until I disagree with them and all of a sudden they are bringing up all the crimes of one side, but not the other. That's not centrist. Most people are really well versed in the wrong doings of one side and because of that justifies anything their side does.

I already see what happens after 2028. If the Democrats win and start making things worse their supporters will say, "At least they are not as bad as Trump." The conservatives will say it's the end of the world. And vice versa. A Conservative wins and starts messing crap up and getting us into more wars and their supporters will say, "Still better than a democrat." And the democrats will cry it's the end of the world.

Around and around ya'll go until you're old and things are 10x worse and wishing you could go back to the good old days while the new generation blames you for all their problems.
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I am not a fan of Jimmy Kimmel.
 
Creed101 said:
Question for you. How much of our taxpayer dollars are funding that war? Why are gas prices and groceries still high? The love of God don’t blame Biden because look at how long Trump’s been president. During the midterm election he’s going to lose one if not potentially both chambers. It’s coming. People are frustrated at him, even in his own party his voters.
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Wars have a cost. Wars also cost tax dollars. In case you didn't know, that's why we pay taxes. The number one responsiblity of a government is to protect its people. We pay taxes so it can do that.

High gas prices add about $70/mo to an average person's gas budget. If we didn't go to war because of increased prices, we'd never go to war. But of course, many Americans are short-sighted. They'd rather have lower gas prices than keeping a loose canon country that's killed over a thousand Americans, and who's mantra is "death to America," from getting a nuclear weapon.

Maybe he does. I don't think he will but we shall see.
 
NavyWings said:
Wars have a cost. Wars also cost tax dollars. In case you didn't know, that's why we pay taxes. The number one responsiblity of a government is to protect its people. We pay taxes so it can do that.

High gas prices add about $70/mo to an average person's gas budget. If we didn't go to war because of increased prices, we'd never go to war. But of course, many Americans are short-sighted. They'd rather have lower gas prices than keeping a loose canon country that's killed over a thousand Americans, and who's mantra is "death to America," from getting a nuclear weapon.

Maybe he does. I don't think he will but we shall see.
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Here’s the real question though I get what you’re saying in the first part, but do people in this country of America support the war?
 
Creed101 said:
Here’s the real question though I get what you’re saying in the first part, but do people in this country of America support the war?
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Back to, short-sightedness. There are various polls of course. Do you only go to war if the majority support it? Take the Civil War. About 40% were either pro-secessionist or anti-war. Only 60% were in favor of the war. If popularity was the decision point, an argument could have been made to just keep the status quo.

Sometimes, popularity isn't the way to go. I believe this is one of those times.
 
NavyWings said:
Back to, short-sightedness. There are various polls of course. Do you only go to war if the majority support it? Take the Civil War. About 40% were either pro-secessionist or anti-war. Only 60% were in favor of the war. If popularity was the decision point, an argument could have been made to just keep the status quo.

Sometimes, popularity isn't the way to go. I believe this is one of those times.
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Civil war is different. How many regime change wars does this make it for America now since WW2? We're sick of them. We've heard the WMD excuse before. It was bullcrap. Government has cried wolf too many times.
 
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