RUSSIA INVADING UKRAINE

ZombiUnicornis said:
Its in history often but is not the cause of war often the vast majority of wars have been sectarian and by far the greatest numbers of deaths have come from sectarian wars.
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If you want to look at Religious wars, look at the Byzantine-Sassanid wars of the sixth century, Arab expansion wars in the 7th century, the Byzantine-Arab Wars of the ninth century, The first, second, and third crusades, Manzikert, the Spanish Reconquista, the Mughal wars in India, the Fall of Constantinople, the Conquest of the New World, the Russo-Turkish wars (all of them from the 1600's to the 1800's), the Great Turkish War of the 17th and 18th centuries, the Balkan Wars of the early twentieth century, the Bosnian War of the 1990's and the civil wars in Africa in the early 2000's and then come back to me with these "sectarian" wars that you are talking about. Yeas there was the Thirty Years War to back your claim, but that is one of a few wars.
 
Dindu Nuffin said:
If you want to look at Religious wars, look at the Byzantine-Sassanid wars of the sixth century, Arab expansion wars in the 7th century, the Byzantine-Arab Wars of the ninth century, The first, second, and third crusades, Manzikert, the Spanish Reconquista, the Mughal wars in India, the Fall of Constantinople, the Conquest of the New World, the Russo-Turkish wars (all of them from the 1600's to the 1800's), the Great Turkish War of the 17th and 18th centuries, the Balkan Wars of the early twentieth century, the Bosnian War of the 1990's and the civil wars in Africa in the early 2000's and then come back to me with these "sectarian" wars that you are talking about. Yeas there was the Thirty Years War to back your claim, but that is one of a few wars.
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Yes I didnt say there was no wars I said the majority of all wars have been sectarian and the vast majority of deaths is wars has been through sectarian wars.
 
ZombiUnicornis said:
Yes I didnt say there was no wars I said the majority of all wars have been sectarian and the vast majority of deaths is wars has been through sectarian wars.
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Define "sectarianism".

If you look at Wikipedia, you're right. But Wikipedia isn't a reliable source.

If you look at other sources, it goes back to religion.

In other words, you are using the wrong terminology.

Sectarian wars are the Troubles, The Thirty Years War, The Hussite Wars, the Iran-Iraq War, and The Lebanese Civil War.

Now, use the word Nationalistic, and you'll see a higher death count: Napoleonic, Seven Years War, World War 1, World War 2, American War of Independence, The Brazilian Wars, The War of 1877, The Hundred Years War, The War Of The Spanish Succession and the Franco-Prussian War it is all to do with the little man fighting against the man with the biggest ego. So in effect, you are right.

However, there is a type of war that kills a lot of people and is the most dirtiest of them all... the Civil War. And there are many of them to name as well.
 
ZombiUnicornis said:
Its in history often but is not the cause of war often the vast majority of wars have been sectarian and by far the greatest numbers of deaths have come from sectarian wars.
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Just because it isnt the main cause of a particular war, doesnt mean it doesnt play a part in it. Something that makes certain regions rlly prone to war, like europe, is because of the fact people believe in an afterlife. When u believe in an after life, death becomes meaningless, which makes death not a detterent for war, and sending thousands to their deaths is just a meaningless act. Also, not all conflicts can rlly be classified as wars. The genocide of the native american people and culture, was spearheaded by christians wanting to "christianize" and "save" the native americans, who were mislead by "false gods". This isnt just somthing that happened here in america, but all around the world, during the age of imperialism, where european countrys went to all the poor continents, like africa, asia, the americas, with the intemt of "christianizing" all of the "savage people", which led to 90% of the world being controlled by a european power. This wouldnt even be called a war, it was just a straight up invasion of the world, and even if it was considered a war, it would just be one war, out of the thousands of "sectarian" wars, which had a minor influence on the world, compared to this event.
 
The Ukrainian situation in a nutshell...

Putin stood looked down his pants, could not locate his appendage, and had his army invade Ukraine in a hissy-fit to compensate.
 
Americans aren't any better then the Russians if people remember the weapons of mass destruction that didnt exist in Iraq and don't forget the US bombing Afghanistan after 9/11 when that country didn't actually attack the us but a terrorist group did. The United States historically makes selfish excuses to attack other countries but when another country does it they are evil and bad all of a sudden. I am not saying Russia should invade Ukraine I am just pointing out the US government is hypocrits.
 
More information is coming out now that indicates other issues that heled to create this conflict. It is never as simple as the propogandist tell you.
 
The news stations always twist facts and take stuff out of context so i wasnt gonna comment on the war till all the facts came out cuz since the news stations are bias as it is against russia before the war started.
 
! Burnt Pizza said:
The news stations always twist facts and take stuff out of context so i wasnt gonna comment on the war till all the facts came out cuz since the news stations are bias as it is against russia before the war started.
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Well they are the ones who invaded. Ergo, Russia are technically seen as the bad guys.


Would the neutral countries or countries incapable to fight in World War 2 show Germany is a bright light? Would the USSR going to portray America as saints in Vietnam?

Of course the media is biased. You want the Russian side to balance it out get a VPN and watch RT and see how unbiased they are (hint: their not unbiased either)
 
I don't understand what we would debate as far as this goes. It's a war between two nations' governments (although the people are being bombarded with propaganda and being coerced into it...), but wouldn't the debate be either for or against the war, on either side? If you're not allowing pro-war/pro-war Russia talk in this thread, what's there to discuss? It's either you're for the war in Russian or Ukrainian sense, or you're against it but the OP specifically disqualifies the other side. lol?

Edit: A better title/guideline would just be "War vs. Anti-War". If it's russia vs. ukraine, it's strictly war-based, and all other discussion is off-topic.
 
Soundz123 said:
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I don't understand what we would debate as far as this goes. It's a war between two nations' governments (although the people are being bombarded with propaganda and being coerced into it...), but wouldn't the debate be either for or against the war, on either side? If you're not allowing pro-war/pro-war Russia talk in this thread, what's there to discuss? It's either you're for the war in Russian or Ukrainian sense, or you're against it but the OP specifically disqualifies the other side. lol?

Edit: A better title/guideline would just be "War vs. Anti-War". If it's russia vs. ukraine, it's strictly war-based, and all other discussion is off-topic
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“I stand with Ukraine” while displaying a Russian flag.
 
Soundz123 said:
Yeah, it's irony/a joke. Has nothing to do with this debate, though. Good eye, I guess?
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It does, since this thread is about the conflict between Russia and Ukraine and you’re considering it a joke. I showed your comment to my Ukrainian friend Lesya and she considers it to be in very poor taste and offensive towards all the people that are suffering because of this conflict.
 
DontCostYaNuffin said:
It does, since this thread is about the conflict between Russia and Ukraine and you’re considering it a joke. I showed your comment to my Ukrainian friend Lesya and she considers it to be in very poor taste and offensive towards all the people that are suffering because of this conflict.
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Still has nothing to do with the topic. You’re commenting to whether my mood on my account is insensitive/tolerable. You posted the content and I responded to it.

The topic is about war between two countries, not my sense of humor. Nice attempt at a guilt trip, though!
 
Soundz123 said:
Still has nothing to do with the topic. You’re commenting to whether my mood on my account is insensitive/tolerable. You posted the content and I responded to it.

The topic is about war between two countries, not my sense of humor. Nice attempt at a guilt trip, though!
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Perhaps reread your comment?

“discuss? It's either you're for the war in Russian or Ukrainian sense, or you're against it but the OP specifically disqualifies the other side”

You were clearly pointing out the importance of objectivity. How can someone who makes fun of this war, posting a quote saying “I stand with Ukraine” while posting a Russian flag and openly admitting to making fun of the situation, be taken seriously? You’re obviously trolling. Nice try though.
 
DontCostYaNuffin said:
Perhaps reread your comment?

“discuss? It's either you're for the war in Russian or Ukrainian sense, or you're against it but the OP specifically disqualifies the other side”

You were clearly pointing out the importance of objectivity. How can someone who makes fun of this war, posting a quote saying “I stand with Ukraine” while posting a Russian flag and openly admitting to making fun of the situation, be taken seriously? You’re obviously trolling. Nice try though.
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Again, you’re directing this personally to me and adding nothing to the topic about the war. You can claim bias and intent to my post and claiming it as “trolling”, but you were the one who brought it up by posting the screenshot. I’d argue that my post is logical and reasonable enough to be taken at face value, and your only argument is how i don’t take this seriously.

You’ve made it a personal(and off-topic) thing as well as posting the content to begin with, so perhaps you’re the one who may or may not be trolling? Again, it’s off-topic so I wouldn’t care to go back and forth, but a public accusation warrants responses, in my opinion.
 
Soundz123 said:
Again, you’re directing this personally to me and adding nothing to the topic about the war. You can claim bias and intent to my post and claiming it as “trolling”, but you were the one who brought it up by posting the screenshot. I’d argue that my post is logical and reasonable enough to be taken at face value, and your only argument is how i don’t take this seriously.

You’ve made it a personal(and off-topic) thing as well as posting the content to begin with, so perhaps you’re the one who may or may not be trolling? Again, it’s off-topic so I wouldn’t care to go back and forth, but a public accusation warrants responses, in my opinion.
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My comment shows how any sort of discussion, whether it is about which side you support or if you are for or against a war, is not credible in light of there being people like you who make a mockery out of the whole situation. You yourself admitted to making fun of the whole situation. Why discuss a topic with people whose only objective it is to troll?
 
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