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Take me to your Leader!
Unless it's Putin if that's the case your on your own.
I mean you are 4ft tall and bald
OriginalScreenName
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I look at it like this, does it matter if aliens do exist?
What exactly changes if aliens do exist.? Humanity has no way to communicate with aliens individually or on a planetary level.
People would still have to work and pay taxes, Aliens are not going to change Earth for the better, with ways to cure diseases, famine, or anything. Aliens are not going to send a bus to Earth, to let anyone who wants to say F Earth I am out of here, hop on board and get a free ride to wherever they want.
It is fun to ponder and wonder but overall changes nothing meaningful, at best, it gives all three major religions something to piss and moan about.
Statistically alien life exists elsewhere. Given that the universe is probably infinite, contains an unimaginable number of galaxies each containing an unimaginable number of stars, and given that there are planets everywhere we look and some of these will be ideal for some sort of life to develop. Whether it's intelligent life by human standards is another matter entirely. If by "out there" you meant visiting Earth then of course not. Apart from the massive coincidence it would take for a space going race to exist at exactly the right time to do that, there's also the matter of the universal speed limit c.
It does matter.
Especially when you have aliens breaking the laws of physics with technology that can make humans go extinct. So yes being at the top of the food chain and having intelligence far exceeding any known human comstruct and you have something that would very much matter.
Have you not seen war of the worlds? Cloverfield?
War of the Worlds the aliens were killed off by terrestrial bacteria and viruses. Cloverfield (a terrible boring film) was based on something that came from the depths of the world's oceans so a terrestrial monster. Godzilla much?
The laws of physics are the laws of physics. There's the theoretical Alcubierre drive that shows a possible way of stepping outside the universal laws but that's based on exotic matter that would require more energy to produce (if it could be produced) than we would be able produce even with unlimited fusion availability.
An alien civilisation reaching that sort of level of technology would be occupied with sustaining their own resources and environment rather than fanciful exploration. Then there's the extreme unlikelihood of two races coinciding in time. Our planet is 4.6 billion years old. We've existed for 200,000 of those years. The average lifespan of an entire species from actual speciation to extinction is around a million years. That's approximately 0.02 percent of the life of the Earth so far. So another intelligent species would have to coexist in that short timespan. I doubt we've much to worry about lol.
The laws of physics are the laws of physics. There's the theoretical Alcubierre drive that shows a possible way of stepping outside the universal laws but that's based on exotic matter that would require more energy to produce (if it could be produced) than we would be able produce even with unlimited fusion availability.
An alien civilisation reaching that sort of level of technology would be occupied with sustaining their own resources and environment rather than fanciful exploration. Then there's the extreme unlikelihood of two races coinciding in time. Our planet is 4.6 billion years old. We've existed for 200,000 of those years. The average lifespan of an entire species from actual speciation to extinction is around a million years. That's approximately 0.02 percent of the life of the Earth so far. So another intelligent species would have to coexist in that short timespan. I doubt we've much to worry about lol.
OriginalScreenName
Bronze Member
It does matter.
Especially when you have aliens breaking the laws of physics with technology that can make humans go extinct. So yes being at the top of the food chain and having intelligence far exceeding any known human comstruct and you have something that would very much matter.
Have you not seen war of the worlds? Cloverfield?
I have seen the movies, and I have even followed a ******* channel on the Fermi Paradox, which led me to my opinion, and also to agree with another opinion, that if an alien species wanted to take over Earth, they would not have to try very hard at all. Say they wanted to just be dicks and eradicate humanity because for numerous reasons. All an intelligent species would have to do, is find the appropriate sized asteroid, and send it hurling towards Earth, The problem is solved for them and not a lot of effort was put in. Option 2 for taking over Earth, they only want to take out the Human Species, even easier, all they have to do is get one sample of Human DNA and develop a virus that specifically attacks that DNA only, drop it off in the atmosphere undetected, or do a double whammy, poison humanities food and water, on top of poisoning the air, and in a matter of years all humans are dead, leaving an infrastructure, plants, and animals intact. As a species, we are not even worth conquering. We might be if Mars was alive and occupied, but for an outside EBE species to want to take over Earth, it is just a waste of time and energy.
Regarding UFOS, which is a very intriguing topic, even if an extraterrestrial craft was captured, and reverse-engineered, I personally highly doubt that any Government that can do that is just going to freely disclose that information; they have no incentive to do that, everyone and their uncle is going to want that technology even a fraction of it, to profit off of. Thus screwing over the populous once again. Using that tech on a governmental level to explore space is an interesting idea, but leads to a **** ton of questions and problems, using that tech to develop better militaristic weapons is probably the first thing to be done. An then slowly release the technology to the public bit by bit, and see what comes from that in society.
your average citizen does not have the funds to do any kind of extraterrestrial research and it is far too easy for a government to stop information from being released or discredit information they deem a threat to their own interests.
Even if an Extraterrestrial Biological Entity; plopped down on Earth, to make contact, as curious explorers, the **** show that would follow would be insane, forget the panic that would arise, the first problem would be our elected government fucking up **** before they even got to meet the populace and painting a bad image of humanity without even meaning too. The responsibility of contact would have to be on the EBE, having enough intelligence to know the societal dangers contact can have on another species who is not used to being contacted. They would have to be smart enough to know that governments can be corrupt or lie and have their own agendas.
As for needing any kind of treaty or permission to be on Earth for resource purposes, I highly doubt even that is needed, it would mean assuming with all the planets in the universe or at least our own galaxy that Earth is the only planet with resources that are of value to an EBE species. Earth could be useful for using humans as scientific experiments or slave labor, but that again is a big, why humanity? One would assume that an intelligent species higher than humanity would really have zero need to use humans in any way shape or form.
EBEs if advanced enough, intellectually, technologically, and spiritually, would probably see humanity about as interesting as a colony of ants. At best they would see Humanity as a threat because we as a species are highly unstable, we do not have a global language, we fight over anything and everything with the slightest of provocations, and we are highly susceptible to all kinds of viruses and diseases, along with spreading them amongst ourselves; we need incredible amounts of food and water as a species just to live; we have issues regarding mental health, and as a species even at our very best at evolving, we have barely made a scratch in the big scheme of things. We can't even figure out how to produce the electricity we need without needing fossil fuels to play a part on any level in that role. Fossil fuels are used to make every single thing in the modern world. You can't create " Green " anything without first using some form of fossil fuel, to create say a solar panel, or a rechargeable battery of any kind. Wind turbines are absolutely a joke because as soon as the wind stops, there goes your power.
And we can't explore better ways to use nuclear power because too many people **** themselves over it, and there are not enough safety measures to prevent a meltdown.
There are more reasons to not interact with humanity than to make contact. At best, we might be entertaining for an advanced EBE species that still needs entertainment.
To even begin to enter the realm of being worth a **** to even contact, humanity would need to be able to traverse space with ease and cheaply; that is not even entering the debate of how to not contaminate a new species with our diseases and germs.
Space travel itself just to explore our galaxy and colonize untouched planets that are habitable for humans, I think is more realistic of an overall goal than wanting to communicate with a new EBE species.
for shits and giggles to wonder if aliens are out there somewhere sure it is fun, but the Fermi Paradox comes into play, and one has to wonder if the nearest EBE species has just died out and all that is left is a dwindling infrastructure and fossils.
OriginalScreenName
Bronze Member
Oh, sadly, space warfare, like, spaceship versus spaceship, was shot to **** for me on a ******* channel.
The YouTuber pointed out, that spaceships are traveling at crazy speeds, so the precision it would take to have a battle in space be it of any size, would be like a blur of light traveling in space, firing a small projectile that then has to hit another blur of light.
There was one Star Trek movie, the one with Khan, where both ships had to use impulse power only, and they entered into this space cloud. That I think was pretty close to how a space battle would be with a big ship versus a big ship.
Then for smaller combat fighting ships in space, it would have to be at the current speeds that humans can already achieve on Earth.
anything faster than a naval ship in water, or a fighter jet in the air, makes combat in space pointless and just becomes a numbers game, there is sadly just no need to have a space battle if you as a species are technologically advanced; you can just come up with pretty much endless ways to destroy a problem in space before it ever reaches your homeworld.
The YouTuber pointed out, that spaceships are traveling at crazy speeds, so the precision it would take to have a battle in space be it of any size, would be like a blur of light traveling in space, firing a small projectile that then has to hit another blur of light.
There was one Star Trek movie, the one with Khan, where both ships had to use impulse power only, and they entered into this space cloud. That I think was pretty close to how a space battle would be with a big ship versus a big ship.
Then for smaller combat fighting ships in space, it would have to be at the current speeds that humans can already achieve on Earth.
anything faster than a naval ship in water, or a fighter jet in the air, makes combat in space pointless and just becomes a numbers game, there is sadly just no need to have a space battle if you as a species are technologically advanced; you can just come up with pretty much endless ways to destroy a problem in space before it ever reaches your homeworld.
TheGreatMane
Active Member
Aliens do not exist
There are estimated to be 60,000,000,000 planets in the "goldilocks" or habitable zone of solar systems orbiting stars in the Milky Way galaxy along. Extrapolating that to the universe, the estimated number of planets in the habitable zone of stars is estimated to be 50 sextillion (50 x 10^21).Aliens do not exist
Still think alien life doesn't exist?
Go on then, justify your argument.