General Chat Complaint

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I have spoken to Piladies in PM after he contacted me-and he has told me he is satisfied with that- This can be resolved in PM, I think there is some miscommunication and conflation of issues and he has said he agreed and agreed to stand down.

Sboat, ive seen the ss etc of your gay remarks and the drunk remarks etc so I wont address this further on here-you appear to be muted-kicked rightfully. Dess puts in a lot of volunteer time, and does a good job. You looked like you were spoiling for trouble got a kick, and arguably evaded several times-unless a battery of randoms magically appeared with the same exact words you were using.....

The other ******** who posted here if you have other room issues- please take them to the mods in room. Schism your questions about nasty ******** can be asked in PM to any mod you want.

shows over folks
 
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Piladies: I agreed to help sort this in PM- im willing to help do that at this point ... but Its either -or. Im not about to waste energy on this drama if this just keeps boiling over and back here in this forum ....this all should have and could have been dealt with in PM. Or alternatively you can try Chelle in PM be interesting to see her take on things.
 
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Mmmmhmmm kick evading is all I see in there. Not a way to show complaints, you’re just being annoying and your claims will never get anywhere when you evade and troll.

I think that its best to know the people you speak of before tossing dismissive lines like this out there. A consideration for future posts.


Now that this set aside, lets get to the actual post.

Since I'm a nosy bitch, and a few things have been bothering me about the chaotic hellhole known as gen chat, don't mind me as i toss in some complaints and ideas.

Lets not beat around the bush, we know favoritism and targeted aggressive modding happens in all the rooms. Honestly, its a volunteer 'job' and every room has their share of karenesque demands to do yo damn job with a mix of constant harassment from people based solely on the fact that mods are an authority figure in the rooms. Every single mod is warned about this and its part of why everyone is encouraged not to share personal details lest they bite you in the ass should you decide to sign up for the BS position somewhere down the line (along with basic safety/quality of chat-life reasons). Modding can be mentally taxing which is why any half decent human will tell future prospects that they better have thick skin. I want to disclaimer this with i dont pretend that i didnt have fucked up off days, its in fact a major part of why ive voluntarily quit all three and a half times I've modded or at least played a part in it. So lets keep that in mind and not play the whatabout game. I say all this in hopes of giving well meaning advice, not demean anyone.

Dess, you cannot warn mute and kick without speaking to the offending parties. If you're finding the warnings are being ignored or missed, i suggest you start tagging people. Its a simple step and doesnt take much time to scroll up a little to find their name. If its from a flagged post and the user seems to not be paying attention anymore, pm them. This both gives them a warning they wont miss and ensures they cant claim you didnt warn them. If there are certain things such as mentions of being drunk or drinking, name calling, ect, that are bothering you, i highly suggest you stop modding for a bit and see if you genuinely want to keep doing it. I understand everyone has things that upset them but as ive always said, even to myself on my **** days, the more you feed them, the worse it gets. I say this more for your own sanity than anything else.I dont know whats going on between you and Drew but i know you both can manage to be civil.


HR. , you really should step back and consider who it is you're going to attempt to dismiss when they have complaints. We all know not all complaints are valid but Drew doesnt gay bash, doesnt roll to negate a kick, doesn't make complaints like this lightly, and while he may go in and have arguements or debates, he does it well within the rules. That is not trolling. I understand mods are very much protect your own cause CM won't and its made worse with a lack of an admin right now (I've been kinda away so if im wrong, please correct me), but that attitude is damning to mods and only makes legitimate trolling that much worse. If you think someone is rolling to circumvent a kick, and you did not kick that person, i suggest you check the mute/kick history. Unless its changed since i last saw it, there are time stamps and durations amounts listed. Its a veeeeery useful tool and i HIGHLY recommend you use it in the future. Also i want to point out a glaring flaw that if a disbute is going on between mod and chatter (fucking exmod or not because we all know that doesnt play a major role, and its a dismissive thing to say to someones complaints), should a resolution not be met in private, this is EXACTLY what this thread is for. Its a shot in the dark, sure, but its supposed to be the go between when communication breaks down, just before escalating it further up the chain. I never could or will understand WHY people act like this to users who arent known to go off at every perceived slight.

About the favoritism/unreasonable modding: while we all know i like to have a good ole mutegag every once in a while and will say things, and its always in good fun and never maliciously meant, favoritism is a genuine problem in gen right now. I shouldn't have to say the cword repeatedly to get five warnings, a VERY short mute, and if im feeling frisky or want to amuse people with getting kicked, have to abuse the hell out of that word (totally wont be taken out of context...really) to finally get it. Warn-mute-kick. Saying it gets an instant boot is more than a bit harsh as well and unjustified. Those dismissing it as "it depends" don't fully grasp why that system is in place. Is it a pain in the ass to have to warn repeat offenders? Yes. Are there certain words that merit and immediate mute warn combo? Yes. Mods are there to keep the peace, ensure the safety of ******** and in part, correct behaviors that arent allowed. Pretty sure I've proven time and time again that even some of the worse offenders can at least be temporarily reigned in with a bit of coaxing and proportionate punishment to what they're doing. The only time kos/kick at first offense is even technically allowed by the wording of the rules themselves is a roll to avoid a kick/ban, pedophilia, and being outside the age limit. Oh and those damn porn bots.
Oh...one last actual complaint I've gotten from an unseemly amount of people is mods ignoring flags/serious concerns (citing Schisms complaints as part of this here) while offenders and mods are actively in the room. I dont know who's doing it, but intentional or not, this sends a clear message of favoritism to people who actually bother to report and discourages future attempts of others to take action.


I know that this seems like a lot all at once to talk about. Just know again, and i CANNOT stress this enough, im not here out of malice. They're just thoughts of what I've seen or experienced and wanted to express since i dont consider this resolved, even if Drew is satisfied, because this brings up long standing issues a number of people have tried to voice relatively recently.
 
I'd just like to add that context is everything, and without context, then things tend to get out of hand. Re: The discussion I was having with ALEX JONES. He was talking about some kind of chemicals turning frogs gay, and then saying "What turned the frogs gay?" and as a response to how ridiculous it was, I said "What turned you gay?" Taken out of context that can easily be seen as 'gay bashing'. But when you consider it in the actual conversation that was going on, its not a slur against anyone.

Next up, the 'drunkie' comments. First off, I jokingly asked DESS how many drinks she'd had and she decided to get upset about it and think that I was accusing her of being a drunk or something. I then started talking about drinking with another chatter and she considered it to be about her. It was not.

Essentially, it seems as if someone is taking out their personal issues on chat and disregarding the rules and manners expected in a chatroom. It can be raucous and crazy sometimes, but one needs to take context into account, and set aside their own personal issues if they are going to mod. If you are unable to do that, then you have no business doing it.

I understand that this chat has issues where no one wants to mod, but its actions like this that make this community the kind of place that makes people want to troll the mods, cause trouble etc. If the rules are applied evenly and moderation is done correctly it can be very effective. This is not happening.

I will note that I was NOT warned about anything, and that I was kicked out of chat for violating no rules at all. Whatever personal issue that mod has with me should be addressed with me personally, like an adult, instead of using their limited power to try to 'get back' at me or whatever it is. I am open to discussing any personal issues like an adult. If the mod is unwilling to do that, then that is on them, not on me.
 
im sorry ... you werent in the room and that you didnt see it... coz.....as for me NOT havin thick skin..i do beleive you are one that comes to me saying i would have kicked them along before now....i think i hear that about ten times a day..i have VERY thick skin..i take alot of abuse...as does any mod in any room...im not sure what any of your post even means...but i guess everyone has to chime in...which i guess is your right...shrugs:dontknow:
 
Cozmo kitty

The issue regarding piladeis is to be dealt with in PM- via chelle preferably- or I. So I wont comment more on that. I respectfully reject your other premise. Most issues can be solved in room. And should be when ever possible imo. If you were in room you would know these forums posts were made BEFORE trying PM. That is my basic issue with that. When they cant be sorted there- they come here, which usually results in a forum mod directing to the room admin. Atm CM is that admin.

As far a much of your comments go I agree on a few points.( but my observation is generally -ex mods can really get to be a pain. And it is relevant to me- that a mod who was let go for incorrect kicking cant attack another for the same thing (allegedly) without looking petty or like sour grapes etc. Regardless the complaint stands on its merits or not. Sooner or later mod abuse will get ******** kicked.

The burden of proof lies with those making an accusation. Anyone is real life who holds any responsibility is presumed to act responsibly until shown they dont.

Kick logs. IM not sure if you know, I was the first gen chat mod in modern ( rapinoes run the room solo until the transition happened) and modded alone for4 a while until Toc came for her regular gig and did we did so for couple years etc. so yeah I know what kick records are. Of course I looked at them- they are inconclusive as far as I can tell, they exactly overlap. But I didnt do the kicks so I dont look unless a mod-chatter asks for help etc

Having been a long time chatter and logged a LOT of mod hours- I never assume any chatter - including drew-is beyond bizzarre behaviour to assume anything else is beyond niave tbh.

I am well aware of mod guidelines. The general rule is warn mute kick ( most should be done that way - thats been the main idea for like nearly 20 years. But its not absolute. Look at the gen chat rules posted:

it says **** General Chat Rules

Failure to comply with the rules listed below will result in a variety of warnings, mutes, or kicks.**** https://forum.chat-avenue.com/forum/...ral-chat-rules


As far as your weekly barrage of spamming the main with c bombs ( another clear rules issue) you owe me 10 dollars for the aspirin for all the headaches it caused me. You will remember I warned you in PM ( as a courtesy) and then muted etc In my respectful view, being an admitted spammer of verbotten words on main detracts from your credibility to lecture others. same link gen chat rules *** ► You are not allowed to use the following words in chat (regardless of how badly you misspell them): c*nt, n*gger, f*ggot, ***

As far as flags go, do you actually expect mods to warn-mute kick a post where someone says *hi* those are flagged. How about *you smell* and 100 others. There is NO PROOF any mods ignores flags that should not be ignored that Im aware of. ******** are told all the time- use iggy. No mod around, you can flag or turn off your PM and or adjust privacy settings. If harrassed report to a mod or admin. Many ******** seem to want drama instead- they want mods to save them without doing the most basic issue solving action there is...... IGGY"

""""""Since you seem to think otherwise, what does CM tell ********: when in doubt use the ignore feature

And how would you know flags are not dealt with. You dont. The proper answer to that chatter is speak to a mod about it. You have no way of knowing if we deal with it 5hours later or maybe some flags are not worthy of action,

Lots of those are dealt with in batches, or as mods can do it. Just because the mods dont act as personal bodyguards rushing to deal kicks like off some menu, doesnt mean flags are ignored. I may spend time in PM talking down a difficult chatter to stop going off. Doesnt mean because we dont get all kick happy the flags are ignored. Since there is no proof, there is no fault.

Chelle, Dess and Myself all have diverse and effective skills to deal with difficult ********- until you started your c bomb spamming I never had an issue with you as a chatter.

While you are lecturing the only mods logging lots of time in Gen chat, ill remind you of another mod rule you seemed to forget while you were (literally) a mini mod in modern- fighting with other mods on main. Why am I saying this: to point out that in your **im just here in goodwill *** you have shown you fundamentally misapprehension of modding in gen chat on some key issues.

you admit to spamming c bombs theres 2 rules that disrupt chat and will no doubt encourage 20 trolls to test words like you do.

you complain the mods are to lenient ( warn to often) while you defend a ******** remark the mods are too harsh for the same issue ( hyocritical and illogical)


And, you appear here, to throw gas on a silly fire under the guise of goodwill while admitting you disrupt chat yeah I said it a silly fire- over a 5 minute kick - (was the og complaint) and difficult follow up kick.


while mod- you openly fought with another mod ( not me ever) this shows that you actually do not have a understanding of moderator behaviour expected. I would not say that but to remind you- one who lives in glass houses ought to not throw bricks.

and, you basically said a chatter is beyond ip rolling etc While I agree I saw no evidence of Piladies-drew IP rolling- it shows a colossal blindness on your part to the reality that ANY chatter could and has and will, do shitty things. Good mods deal in evidence and experience, not willfull blindness. I had to laugh to be honest.

Being a mod in gen chat requires above all else, common sense, and an an ability to manage very unique personalities. If mods rigidly applied your c bomb expectations- the room at times would explode into IP rolling red fonters that would disrupt chat for hours. It takes tract and diplomacy etc to mod gen chat and many things happen for reasons you may not see or know of, Its all about managing people within a paremeter and common sense.

I observed the **** show first hand, you didnt and im the kind of mod who probably ran a record of the goings on.
 
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Sboat:

I will note that I was NOT warned about anything, and that I was kicked out of chat for violating no rules at all.
That is patently false. You can ask drew-piladeis to show you the image of my general warning saying to the room * to paraphrase* **** if your gonna fight on main leave the gay remarks out of it****

That was a warning to the whole group fighting on main. You didnt listen, you got booted by Dess ( who also warned ********) then IP rolled several times ( most likely) and got quite abusive towards her and when Drew-Piladeis conveniently dropped tags to make his *drunkie* remark and got kicked- arguably you authored the whole drama. Based on what I saw, you were clearly in the wrong;

I know the posts Ive seen it all.
 
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I'm afraid this was not able to be resolved amicably through PM. My complaint stands. If someone could contact me that would be greatly appreciated.
 
Can we admit that it is just fun to kick someone.? Do not try to deny it if you do you are a liar. Life is not always fair. Chat Avenue is just a chat platform that actually has seen much better days.
 
yeah I can attest to this, Dess kicks whomever she dislikes and allows people she likes to harass people endlessly. Her attitude towards being a mod is "This isnt a real job so I dont have to do anything you guys ask me to do or whats expected of a moderator."

You may have volunteered but that doesnt mean you're free to do as you please and have a shitty attitude towards everyone. Thatd be like volunteering to feed the needy then eating their food or refusing to serve them. Get someone in there that actually takes some pride in their moderating. She's just a lame duck with a piss poor attitude and everyones totally aware of it but her.

Fire Dess.

HR is borderline sketchy moderator too, he tags along with Dess fairly often and acts like he's "here to help" but causes issues.

A full rework of general chat (minus Chelle) is needed honestly. It's pretty bad.
 
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Mmmmhmmm kick evading is all I see in there. Not a way to show complaints, you’re just being annoying and your claims will never get anywhere when you evade and troll.


you dont even chat in general? And you're clearly clueless on what happened. How about you shut up and mind your business? 🙂
 
wildwestwanderer (Ocean Minded)

Hey lotion 11 or is it lotions12 or 13 i see you in general chat lots plyin f uckery with the mods. Who you calling out for posting here....lol a poster up there said x mods make shitty trolls lolol and here you are trying to **** over mods and why- maybe so you can get all sexy with some ******** didnt you get fired in singles. or was it teen chat and tell us why you cant mod. if you so great why they run you out of singles. Why you fired as mod tell the room lotion TELL US WHY

gen is ok when you aint around

lots of regs in genrl chat want you out cause we know your fav chatroom. And the sign said you aint supposed to be therrrrreeeee

and get mod chelle in here lets see if she agree with you slaggin ther mods why you name droppin lotion 13 you say you best pal with chelle let ask see if she use lotions
 
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Wildwestwanderer AKA Ocean-Minded,

you cant help it, like a fly to a feast. As Ive said, nothing sadder than a disgraced mod doing drive by. You spend your days in gen chat bitching about the site and everyone in it, how you got room admins fired and more trying to instigate so you can run here to feed the fetish.

To use your analogy ( which wasnt a great one but meh) your like a former food critique- fired for tainting food and then haunting a diner to write lousy reviews over food you never ate, and about staff who ask you to leave for never paying your bill.
 
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