Inkandtatts’ Inner Thoughts (Random Comments #715)

emileh said:
Black pudding isn't 'English'. It emerged in Ireland and Scotland and then the midlands of England. It's been a Tradition in the Western Isles for a very long time and Stornoway black pudding is probably the best you'll ever taste.

Both black and white puddings (marag-dubh and marag-gheal), and haggis (taigeis) are indeed delicacies. Not the shite you buy in supermarkets but the proper traditional versions.
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ok ok, i didnt know that
 
RandomGuyUK said:
scots english is a dialect of english 😉

gaelic scotch is a different language entirely yes
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Scots Gaelic or Scottish Gaelic. It's not the same as Irish Gaelic (just called Irish by native speakers) either.

Scotch is a slang name for a drink, whisky specifically. Don't call a Scot scotch. Ever.

Also its Scots. Not Scots English. It's a distinct language that has no relationship to English whatsoever.
 
emileh said:
Scots Gaelic or Scottish Gaelic. It's not the same as Irish Gaelic (just called Irish by native speakers) either.

Scotch is a slang name for a drink, whisky specifically. Don't call a Scot scotch. Ever.

Also its Scots. Not Scots English. It's a distinct language that has no relationship to English whatsoever.
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ahem. um. i like teasing Scots people, calling them scotch. just a joke
 
emileh said:
Also its Scots. Not Scots English. It's a distinct language that has no relationship to English whatsoever.
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gaelic is an entirely different language yes.
Scots definitely is related to English. Very closely. like Scouse, or any other dialect.
robbie burns? for example.

I understand the patriotic nationalism, but 'Scots' is definitely based on anglo-saxon-norse. you know?
 
Scots English language developed from early modern english -the court of James I - and developed in its own way yes.
Definitely still a variation on English tho, like jamaican English. same basis, but went its own way. right?

shakespeare is early modern - and johnson's dictionary.
chaucer is middle english.
beowulf is 'old' english'.

and what came before. ... celtic, Britons, and Picts, and gaelic, and latin too xd.
scots is its own unique thing, but rooted in english nevertheless.

i will be silent now.
 
RandomGuyUK said:
gaelic is an entirely different language yes.
Scots definitely is related to English. Very closely. like Scouse, or any other dialect.
robbie burns? for example.

I understand the patriotic nationalism, but 'Scots' is definitely based on anglo-saxon-norse. you know?
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Scots is a Germanic language derived from early middle English which is why I added the other post correcting no relationship to English to modern English. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to modern English when it's spoken properly by a fluent native speaker.

The English and the church put a lot of effort into beating the language out of kids to suppress it. They didn't succeed and it's enjoying a well deserved resurgence.

The English outlawed Scots Gaelic along with bagpipes, and the fèileadh mhòr (great kilt) and spent years suppressing the culture and the clans. Clan chiefs were replaced with English educated and indoctrinated idiots that tried to "improve" the land by expelling clansmen in obscene numbers and replacing them with sheep that turned the lush carefully cultivated croplands and native plant life into food and created the rough landscapes that are seen today. Read about the clearances. They stole the land from us and turned it into massive English upper class moron owned "sporting estates" with the people barred from the land that was theirs for generations. That didn't work either. Gaelic is available to learn at all levels as a part of the Scottish National Curriculum and is also enjoying a resurgence. It never died out in Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Western isles) and parts of the western Highlands. I learned Scots Gaelic from my mum and all of my friends locally speak it. English is a second language to us. The pipes and other traditional music are growing in popularity once more. The fèileadh mhòr is becoming popular again over the Victorian nobility invented short kilt. We have a right to roam anywhere across the land enshrined in law now, and local communities are beginning to take over the stolen lands once more.

You'll excuse me if I defend our languages and culture from a Sasannach. Honestly, Independence cannot come soon enough.
 
emileh said:
Scots is a Germanic language derived from early middle English which is why I added the other post correcting no relationship to English to modern English. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to modern English when it's spoken properly by a fluent native speaker.

The English and the church put a lot of effort into beating the language out of kids to suppress it. They didn't succeed and it's enjoying a well deserved resurgence.

The English outlawed Scots Gaelic along with bagpipes, and the fèileadh mhòr (great kilt) and spent years suppressing the culture and the clans. Clan chiefs were replaced with English educated and indoctrinated idiots that tried to "improve" the land by expelling clansmen in obscene numbers and replacing them with sheep that turned the lush carefully cultivated croplands and native plant life into food and created the rough landscapes that are seen today. Read about the clearances. They stole the land from us and turned it into massive English upper class moron owned "sporting estates" with the people barred from the land that was theirs for generations. That didn't work either. Gaelic is available to learn at all levels as a part of the Scottish National Curriculum and is also enjoying a resurgence. It never died out in Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Western isles) and parts of the western Highlands. I learned Scots Gaelic from my mum and all of my friends locally speak it. English is a second language to us. We have a right to roam anywhere across the land enshrined in law now and local communities are beginning to take over the stolen lands once more.

You'll excuse me if I defend our languages and culture from a Sasannach. Honestly, Independence cannot come soon enough.
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You're right.
I'm not gonna argue with that.
... um, but there is a wee bit of resemblance linguistically..., surely you must agree with that?

'Scotland' was referred to as 'North Britain' for most of the 19th century.
i understand why Scottish people get pissed off with the English.

and yet, the Scottish benefited A LOT in the British Empire.
Check your history.
it seems really lame when SCOTCH nationalists whine about England/sassenach, in the modern era.

I have Scottish relations; and my brother was born in Scotland. I love them. I want to preserve the Union. ... But re independence - I wish the nationalists would hurry up and eff off. England doesnt want you anymore, either. The Feeling is mutual.
 
RandomGuyUK said:
You're right.
I'm not gonna argue with that.
... um, but there is a wee bit of resemblance linguistically..., surely you must agree with that?

'Scotland' was referred to as 'North Britain' for most of the 19th century.
i understand why Scottish people get pissed off with the English.

and yet, the Scottish benefited A LOT in the British Empire.
Check your history.
it seems really lame when SCOTCH nationalists whine about England/sassencach, in the modern era.

I have Scottish relations; my brother was born in Scotland. I love them. I want to preserve the Union. ... But re independence - I wish the nationalists would hurry up and eff off. England doesnt want you anymore, either. The Feeling is mutual.
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Scots *contributed* more to the British Empire than they benefited. Scottish Nationalism is popular and under the right leadership will take us out of the union for good. Of course, the whiney English government and politicians don't want us to go because they BENEFIT from us remaining in the union. We have resources they need. We have renewable capacity and technology they need. We have a huge skill base they need. We have hydro systems that protect their power grid that they need. We have mineral resources they need. They have military bases here that they need to keep and we don't want. England needs us more than we need them and that shows in their determination to hang on to us at all costs.

By the way Sasannach is a Scots Gaelic word that simply means "English"
 
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Anglo-Frisian ;-)

Always knew Scots was similar to my 2nd native tongue, which happens to be Dutch, but Dutch and Frisian are very very similar, almost mutually intelligible. Scotland can gladly join the Netherlands if they want to. There’s plenty of gas and oil in the North Sea for us to stay self-sufficient. Norway can join us too. xD
 
emileh said:
Scots *contributed* more to the British Empire than they benefited. Scottish Nationalism is popular and under the right leadership will take us out of the union for good. Of course, the whiney English government and politicians don't want us to go because they BENEFIT from us remaining in the union. We have resources they need. We have renewable capacity and technology they need. We have a huge skill base they need. We have hydro systems that protect their power grid that they need. We have mineral resources they need. They have military bases here that they need to keep and we don't want. England needs us more than we need them and that shows in their determination to hang on to us at all costs.

By the way Sasannach is a Scots Gaelic word that simply means "English"
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I know what Sasannach means - its a derogatory term for English people.
... I dont take offence.

PS -
Scotland cannot survive independently, alone. All economic surveys confirm that.
England wants you because we love you and want you.
Also we dont want a hostile EU country on our northern border. Strategically.
but mostly we like scotland, I think.

I'd hate to lose you.
All countries have internal rivalries. love-hate relationships.

it would be better for England if we didnt have to deal with you recaltricant lefty Scots politically.
England is a conservative country.

And anyway, - re independence - well we will all be friends in the future.
England/Britain, and ireland (and NI Scots) are friends now.
 
DontCostYaNuffin said:
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Anglo-Frisian ;-)

Always knew Scots was similar to my 2nd native tongue, which happens to be Dutch, but Dutch and Frisian are very very similar, almost mutually intelligible. Scotland can gladly join the Netherlands if they want to. There’s plenty of gas and oil in the North Sea for us to stay self-sufficient. Norway can join us too. xD
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Frisian is the closest european language to old english, yes.
Although that copy-paste 'language-family' thing you posted is not entirely accurate.
 
There’s a Frisian saying: ‘Bûter, brea en griene tsiis, wa't dat net sizze kin is gjin oprjuchte Fries’

It literally translates to: ‘Butter, bread and green cheese, anyone who cannot say that isn’t a sincere Frisian’

Can’t get anymore similar to English or Scots for that matter.

In Dutch we would say: ‘Boter, brood en groene kaas, wie dat niet zeggen kan is geen oprechte (literally upright) Fries’.
 
RandomGuyUK said:
I know what Sasannach means - its a derogatory term for English people.
... I dont take offence.

PS -
Scotland cannot survive independently, alone. All economic surveys confirm that.
England wants you because we love you and want you.
Also we dont want a hostile EU country on our northern border. Strategically.
but mostly we like scotland, I think.

I'd hate to lose you.
All countries have internal rivalries. love-hate relationships.

it would be better for England if we didnt have to deal with you recaltricant lefty Scots politically.
England is a conservative country.

And anyway, - re independence - well we will all be friends in the future.
England/Britain, and ireland (and NI Scots) are friends now.
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1. Sasannach is not a derogatory term. It's a Scots Gaelic word that means "English" much the same as the word for "England" is Sasainn. It's used in everyday conversation when talking about England or English folk.

2. Scotland is more than able to survive and thrive independently. You need us far more than we need you. The economic surveys always fail to take into account the Scottish wealth that simply vanishes across the border. Power exports are a good example.

3. England is a country of mixed politics with a spectrum ranging from far left to far right (too many of these morons though) and covering all shades between. It is not, and never has been, a conservative country.

4. Scottish Nationalists do not seek Trumpesque barriers between the countries and would maintain friendly relations with the rest of the UK as we always have. We seek the right to complete self governance and fiscal independence and also, should we choose , the right to rejoin the EU. We have many friends in Europe and returned a rock solid remain vote at the referendum but that, as always was ignored by the xenophobic old white men in Westminster that lied and cheated their way into destroying the bonds forged over decades. The same men that now are looking to force migrants back to their countries of origin. Look at the lessons of history, especially 1930s Germany and hang your collective heads in shame.
 
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