Is the UK a totalitarian police state?

Is the UK a totalitarian police state?

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The Voice

The Voice

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Saw a video today of a native Brit being harassed and assaulted by a group of guys, and before he could defend himself a female police officer tackled him from behind, slamming him into a wall as the gang turned and walked away. This was not as appalling as the Henry Nowak incident where a cop handcuffed a British man as he bled to death after being stabbed, but it strongly suggests a pattern. I've also heard that certain men (like the one who killed Nowak) are allowed to carry "ceremonial knives" but women aren't permitted to carry pepper spray? Uh ... what??

Last year I watched a video of a young Scottish girl fending off a groomer with a knife and a hand-axe. She was deemed a racist by the media and promptly arrested. A couple weeks ago, the man she was supposedly "harassing" was found guilty of trying lure her kid sister. UK police apparently have an affinity for men such as this, as evidenced by the numerous "Grooming Gangs" they allow to operate with impunity all across the nation. Meanwhile, the government and media are all too happy to sweep their horrific crimes under the rug.

I've also read that the Labour party, with the full blessing of the Conservatives, have cancelled elections in certain locales ... namely the locales where Reform UK is leading.

The UK imprisons more citizens for "offensive" social media posts than Iran.
And China.
And Russia.

The good news is their inept Prime Minister will be stepping down.
The bad news is his replacement will be selected, not elected.

This all has a Soviet-era East Germany vibe to it. That's my take anyway. What say you?
(I'm especially curious to hear what UK residents think about what's currently happening there.)
 
Icarus said:
They are definitely quite strict when it comes to this stuff, especially online offenses, but I don't think you can call them a "totalitarion Police State" quite yet. They are still very free and have many more rights to express things than a totalitarion state would allow
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In my opinion if a country arrests people over words that are not calling for violence it's a fascist country. There's nothing else you can call it.
 
The Voice said:
Saw a video today of a native Brit being harassed and assaulted by a group of guys, and before he could defend himself a female police officer tackled him from behind, slamming him into a wall as the gang turned and walked away. This was not as appalling as the Henry Nowak incident where a cop handcuffed a British man as he bled to death after being stabbed, but it strongly suggests a pattern. I've also heard that certain men (like the one who killed Nowak) are allowed to carry "ceremonial knives" but women aren't permitted to carry pepper spray? Uh ... what??

Last year I watched a video of a young Scottish girl fending off a groomer with a knife and a hand-axe. She was deemed a racist by the media and promptly arrested. A couple weeks ago, the man she was supposedly "harassing" was found guilty of trying lure her kid sister. UK police apparently have an affinity for men such as this, as evidenced by the numerous "Grooming Gangs" they allow to operate with impunity all across the nation. Meanwhile, the government and media are all too happy to sweep their horrific crimes under the rug.

I've also read that the Labour party, with the full blessing of the Conservatives, have cancelled elections in certain locales ... namely the locales where Reform UK is leading.

The UK imprisons more citizens for "offensive" social media posts than Iran.
And China.
And Russia.

The good news is their inept Prime Minister will be stepping down.
The bad news is his replacement will be selected, not elected.

This all has a Soviet-era East Germany vibe to it. That's my take anyway. What say you?
(I'm especially curious to hear what UK residents think about what's currently happening there.)
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You post this , id be more worried about your sh!tty Gun laws and the countless school shootings and Police corruption and racism.
K bye...
 
Icarus said:
They are still very free and have many more rights to express things than a totalitarion state would allow
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Update ...

Today, on the USA's 250 Birthday, I've been seeing UK content creators posting screenshots of warnings they've received from YouT about potential limitations to their freedom of expression. I won't quote the entirety of the messages YT is sending them (I'm sure you can look these warnings up for yourself) but I will quote certain portions that communicate the gist of the platform's concerns:

"The UK Government is running a public consultation called "Watch This Space: A new strategic direction of the UK media." The proposals include mandatory changes to how content is discovered on YouT. This could direct audiences away from your channel.

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Impact of the Proposed Rules
The proposed new rules include a mandatory "prominence regime." This could require digital platforms like YouT to prioritise and give a "privileged position" to traditional broadcasters (like the BBC, ITV, and Channel 4) in user interfaces and recommendation feeds, potentially pushing your content out of sight.

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Your content downranked: Pushing this group forward means pushing everyone else downward.

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Undermining the creator-audience bond: The consultation repeatedly emphasizes 'trust' in the context of legacy broadcasters, implying that digital-first voices are less credible, damaging the foundational trust that sustains the creator economy."

Again, there is more to read but you can seek this out yourself. Keep in mind that YouT hasn't exactly been a beacon of free speech in recent years. During the pandemic, they notoriously de-platformed several prominent microbiologists who pushed back on the prevailing government wisdom regarding Covid's origins, treatment, and societal restrictions--many of whom turned out to be right--so the fact that they are sounding the alarm on what clearly is an attempt to control what information their citizens (and potentially everybody else) are able to consume is noteworthy.

In fact, I'm pretty sure this is partly how the Chinese communist government controls media access in their country.
 
The Voice said:
Update ...

Today, on the USA's 250 Birthday, I've been seeing UK content creators posting screenshots of warnings they've received from YouT about potential limitations to their freedom of expression. I won't quote the entirety of the messages YT is sending them (I'm sure you can look these warnings up for yourself) but I will quote certain portions that communicate the gist of the platform's concerns:

"The UK Government is running a public consultation called "Watch This Space: A new strategic direction of the UK media." The proposals include mandatory changes to how content is discovered on YouT. This could direct audiences away from your channel.

...

Impact of the Proposed Rules
The proposed new rules include a mandatory "prominence regime." This could require digital platforms like YouT to prioritise and give a "privileged position" to traditional broadcasters (like the BBC, ITV, and Channel 4) in user interfaces and recommendation feeds, potentially pushing your content out of sight.

...

Your content downranked: Pushing this group forward means pushing everyone else downward.

...

Undermining the creator-audience bond: The consultation repeatedly emphasizes 'trust' in the context of legacy broadcasters, implying that digital-first voices are less credible, damaging the foundational trust that sustains the creator economy."

Again, there is more to read but you can seek this out yourself. Keep in mind that YouT hasn't exactly been a beacon of free speech in recent years. During the pandemic, they notoriously de-platformed several prominent microbiologists who pushed back on the prevailing government wisdom regarding Covid's origins, treatment, and societal restrictions--many of whom turned out to be right--so the fact that they are sounding the alarm on what clearly is an attempt to control what information their citizens (and potentially everybody else) are able to consume is noteworthy.

In fact, I'm pretty sure this is partly how the Chinese communist government controls media access in their country.
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May have to switch to Rumble.
 
ban active said:
Much like America then
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Not like America even though the Democrats are pushing for it and it's gaining ground in liberal states. It's part of the mass migration agenda being pushed by the UN to suppress nationalist or populist opinions.

Last time I checked nobody is in jail for criticizing a president or the government or policy here.
 
Thunderdome said:
Not like America even though the Democrats are pushing for it and it's gaining ground in liberal states. It's part of the mass migration agenda being pushed by the UN to suppress nationalist or populist opinions.

Last time I checked nobody is in jail for criticizing a president or the government or policy here.
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You do realize that the right and the left wing are the same bird right ?
 
I really don’t know much about the U.K’s politics. I can only make remarks about where I’m from.
Thunderdome said:
In my opinion if a country arrests people over words that are not calling for violence it's a fascist country. There's nothing else you can call it.
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I agree with this. It’s recently been documented that there is a department of ICE that was supposed to be involved self regulating the conditions of ice detention centers that is now building cases and going after people that have made negative comments about ice online. It’s the exact outline of what you said, but from the other side of the fence that you stand on ideologically. (I think. Tell me if I’m wrong).
 
!tulsa! said:
I really don’t know much about the U.K’s politics. I can only make remarks about where I’m from.

I agree with this. It’s recently been documented that there is a department of ICE that was supposed to be involved self regulating the conditions of ice detention centers that is now building cases and going after people that have made negative comments about ice online. It’s the exact outline of what you said, but from the other side of the fence that you stand on ideologically. (I think. Tell me if I’m wrong).
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I will look into it, but i think you are confusing this with doxing, plans of attack, and disrupting federal agents enforcing the law which is illegal.
 
Thunderdome said:
In New York and other liberal states you will be jailed and fined thousands for misgendering someone on purpose. Please name something similar on the right that's popular.
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If you can name one person that this has happened to to date I would take this seriously, but I’d imagine that you’d have trouble finding anyone who has been penalized for this.

Also. Something that’s similar on the right ? Being brown. Brown people are taxed/beaten/taken advantage of / not offered the same choices all day just for being brown.
Thunderdome said:
I will look into it, but i think you are confusing this with doxing, plans of attack, and disrupting federal agents enforcing the law which is illegal.
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You’re welcome to do your own research.
 
Thunderdome said:
In New York and other liberal states you will be jailed and fined thousands for misgendering someone on purpose. Please name something similar on the right that's popular.
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Also. This is kind of a straw man argument. You didn’t address at all the fact that the American government is heavily involved in violent interactions all around the world. Every war fought after the Second World War has had a capitalist root. The American government is an oil company with an army. Soon to be (if not currently) an Ai company with an army.
 
!tulsa! said:
If you can name one person that this has happened to to date I would take this seriously, but I’d imagine that you’d have trouble finding anyone who has been penalized for this.

Also. Something that’s similar on the right ? Being brown. Brown people are taxed/beaten/taken advantage of / not offered the same choices all day just for being brown.

You’re welcome to do your own research.
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You can search the law for New York itself. And your brown people statement is just completely unhinged.
 
!tulsa! said:
Also. This is kind of a straw man argument. You didn’t address at all the fact that the American government is heavily involved in violent interactions all around the world. Every war fought after the Second World War has had a capitalist root. The American government is an oil company with an army. Soon to be (if not currently) an Ai company with an army.
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Check out my One World Power post in the debate forums here. You'd be surprised.
 
Honestly if you believe that people are treated equally in the United States you’re out of touch with reality. Women and black people and indigenous people just received the right to vote recently, in a historic perspective. The insidious side of privilege is that you really never see the other side of the fence unless your standing on it. Rates on the interest you pay on your loans. Rates that you pay on your insurance. Just GETTING a loan. Average pay. The consequences of a regular traffic stop. The rate of pay that you get for your labors. I haven’t searched a search engine for a SINGLE thing that I’m talking about. This is all lived experience that I’m giving you.
 
!tulsa! said:
Honestly if you believe that people are treated equally in the United States you’re out of touch with reality. Women and black people and indigenous people just received the right to vote recently, in a historic perspective. The insidious side of privilege is that you really never see the other side of the fence unless your standing on it. Rates on the interest you pay on your loans. Rates that you pay on your insurance. Just GETTING a loan. Average pay. The consequences of a regular traffic stop. The rate of pay that you get for your labors. I haven’t searched a search engine for a SINGLE thing that I’m talking about. This is all lived experience that I’m giving you.
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You're absolutely right. The rich are treated better than the poor. Also you're right. Things were bad... 60 years ago! Lol. Oh I've been to both sides. Am I saying all cops and judges are good? Heck no. Most are though.

Where do you think cops patrol in small towns? The poor parts.

Poor people in small towns can't get loans either. Shocker!

My lived experience in a poor family in a small town looks a lot like yours.

You think every person that has a run in with the cops is innocent? And you're telling me that I don't live in reality? Heck most of my family has been to prison. They belonged there too for dealing drugs, beating women, theft, child endangerment and abuse, and more.

But you know who didn't have issues with any cops ever except that one time i got busted with booze when i was 20 and all they did was take me to the drunk tank and joke around with me? Me. Why? I follow their instructions and don't treat them like crap. Wow. Who would have thought? My friends who speed, create a ruckus, and do dumb crap. Dealing with the cops all the time. It's not rocket science. Lol.

The truth is there's 10s of millions of hardworking, successful, and amazing non-white Americans living in this country that make it one of the greatest countries that ever existed and I'd ask you to not diminish their contributions to our society.

Did America make mistakes? Heck yes we did. It's still not perfect, but that's what makes it so great. We continue to improve it. It's not about how you start. It's about how you finish.

Hodge Twins is the name of the guys I watch. Check them out.
 
I’ll check the hodge twins out. I didn’t marginalize your intelligence at all. That was your game. I responded to you in a way that made you understand that I don’t stand on the same side of the fence of you.
The side of the fence that I stand on is that there ARE people who do all the right things and still get treated lesser than.
Thunderdome said:
You're absolutely right. The rich are treated better than the poor. Also you're right. Things were bad... 60 years ago! Lol. Oh I've been to both sides. Am I saying all cops and judges are good? Heck no. Most are though.

Where do you think cops patrol in small towns? The poor parts.

Poor people in small towns can't get loans either. Shocker!

My lived experience in a poor family in a small town looks a lot like yours.
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The first part of this I absolutely agree with. You absolutely validated the sort of class power struggle that people should be UNITED about. I agree with all of this.
Thunderdome said:
But you know who didn't have issues with any cops ever except that one time i got busted with booze when i was 20 and all they did was take me to the drunk tank and joke around with me? Me. Why? I follow their instructions and don't treat them like crap. Wow. Who would have thought? My friends who speed, create a ruckus, and do dumb crap. Dealing with the cops all the time. It's not rocket science. Lol.
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This is the part that you don’t understand is privilege. I definitely don’t think every person that has a run in with the law is innocent. At all. I think some people are given the benefit of the doubt. I think that some people are judged more harshly. The numbers bear this out. Whether or not you agree with it has no bearing on how people on the other side of the fence are judged in the United States. (Again. Sorry for hijacking the uk discussion).

I have a very particular point of view mind you. My mother is white. My father is brown. I look like my father. I was raised by my mother. I consistently find myself being charged at higher rates than my white peers on insurance, for my homes and for my cars. I own two homes. I’ve had a mortgage since I was 18. I’ve never missed a payment. I’ve definitely experienced your view when dealing with police. If you don’t give them a reason to act that way, they won’t. BUT. I’ve found myself in many situations where I’ve been pulled over just for how I look. I had a job in Utah where I got pulled over once a month for four months in a row, and none of my white peers had the same trouble. Guys I was working the same job in the same city with. We’re not on different sides of the fence really, but just the fact that you think your treatment is equal to someone who is black or brown or indigenous is proof that the politics are working. You have someone to look down on, instead of recognizing that those people are your peers, and the system doesn’t give any more of a **** about you as a poor white man than it doesn’t give a **** about me as a poor brown man, brother. You smell what I’m stepping in?
 
!tulsa! said:
I’ll check the hodge twins out. I didn’t marginalize your intelligence at all. That was your game. I responded to you in a way that made you understand that I don’t stand on the same side of the fence of you.
The side of the fence that I stand on is that there ARE people who do all the right things and still get treated lesser than.

The first part of this I absolutely agree with. You absolutely validated the sort of class power struggle that people should be UNITED about. I agree with all of this.

This is the part that you don’t understand is privilege. I definitely don’t think every person that has a run in with the law is innocent. At all. I think some people are given the benefit of the doubt. I think that some people are judged more harshly. The numbers bear this out. Whether or not you agree with it has no bearing on how people on the other side of the fence are judged in the United States. (Again. Sorry for hijacking the uk discussion).

I have a very particular point of view mind you. My mother is white. My father is brown. I look like my father. I was raised by my mother. I consistently find myself being charged at higher rates than my white peers on insurance, for my homes and for my cars. I own two homes. I’ve had a mortgage since I was 18. I’ve never missed a payment. I’ve definitely experienced your view when dealing with police. If you don’t give them a reason to act that way, they won’t. BUT. I’ve found myself in many situations where I’ve been pulled over just for how I look. I had a job in Utah where I got pulled over once a month for four months in a row, and none of my white peers had the same trouble. Guys I was working the same job in the same city with. We’re not on different sides of the fence really, but just the fact that you think your treatment is equal to someone who is black or brown or indigenous is proof that the politics are working. You have someone to look down on, instead of recognizing that those people are your peers, and the system doesn’t give any more of a **** about you as a poor white man than it doesn’t give a **** about me as a poor brown man, brother. You smell what I’m stepping in?
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I do, but trust me it's less about color and more about getting us to fight while the rich get richer. Like this UK policy. Over 5k arrests last year over nonviolent social media posts. To me that's wrong.

Free speech is the basis of any good Democracy. If most don't agree with bad ideas those ideas simply fade away. If you censor ideas then you'll never really know if you're representing the people.
 
Thunderdome said:
I do, but trust me it's less about color and more about getting us to fight while the rich get richer. Like this UK policy. Over 5k arrests last year over nonviolent social media posts. To me that's wrong.

Free speech is the basis of any good Democracy. If most don't agree with bad ideas those ideas simply fade away. If you censor ideas then you'll never really know if you're representing the people.
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I literally just said this and you parroted it back to me. This in and of itself doesn’t address the the problems this country has been experiencing because of racial inequality in the first place, and it’s probably not going to make any forward movement until it does so.
 
Us and them. Instead of we. I’m not going to try to build community around a person that insists on being isolated.
!tulsa! said:
I’ll check the hodge twins out. I didn’t marginalize your intelligence at all. That was your game. I responded to you in a way that made you understand that I don’t stand on the same side of the fence of you.
The side of the fence that I stand on is that there ARE people who do all the right things and still get treated lesser than.

The first part of this I absolutely agree with. You absolutely validated the sort of class power struggle that people should be UNITED about. I agree with all of this.

This is the part that you don’t understand is privilege. I definitely don’t think every person that has a run in with the law is innocent. At all. I think some people are given the benefit of the doubt. I think that some people are judged more harshly. The numbers bear this out. Whether or not you agree with it has no bearing on how people on the other side of the fence are judged in the United States. (Again. Sorry for hijacking the uk discussion).

I have a very particular point of view mind you. My mother is white. My father is brown. I look like my father. I was raised by my mother. I consistently find myself being charged at higher rates than my white peers on insurance, for my homes and for my cars. I own two homes. I’ve had a mortgage since I was 18. I’ve never missed a payment. I’ve definitely experienced your view when dealing with police. If you don’t give them a reason to act that way, they won’t. BUT. I’ve found myself in many situations where I’ve been pulled over just for how I look. I had a job in Utah where I got pulled over once a month for four months in a row, and none of my white peers had the same trouble. Guys I was working the same job in the same city with. We’re not on different sides of the fence really, but just the fact that you think your treatment is equal to someone who is black or brown or indigenous is proof that the politics are working. You have someone to look down on, instead of recognizing that those people are your peers, and the system doesn’t give any more of a **** about you as a poor white man than it doesn’t give a **** about me as a poor brown man, brother. You smell what I’m stepping in?
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!tulsa! said:
Honestly if you believe that people are treated equally in the United States you’re out of touch with reality. Women and black people and indigenous people just received the right to vote recently, in a historic perspective. The insidious side of privilege is that you really never see the other side of the fence unless your standing on it. Rates on the interest you pay on your loans. Rates that you pay on your insurance. Just GETTING a loan. Average pay. The consequences of a regular traffic stop. The rate of pay that you get for your labors. I haven’t searched a search engine for a SINGLE thing that I’m talking about. This is all lived experience that I’m giving you.
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This guy is a troll he will argue if you agreed with his lunatic ramblings best to ignore and move away
 
ccttv, dna and ai face recognition. Evil Ugandans like ugly patel in the home office. Left wing conmen like farage Then you got starmer who took bribes from india as an international lawyer to sell the chagos islands.
trump had to sort that out.

UK needs a Franco to get rid of the corruption known as democracy and bring in an economic miracle.
 
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