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Name one good reason Mods need to log in as guests or alt accounts.
Pro tip: you cant

There is no reason a MOD needs to log in as a guest to observe chat. MODS logging in as anything other than their mod account should be fired.

Doing his would cut back on MOD trolling and maximize Moderating.

"Ghost moderating" is a thing reserved for the admin. Not MODS. Having MODS in the user panel is proven to cut back on people breaking rules.

Not only to MODS log in as guests to troll other users but they also log in as a guest to avoid having to moderate. This is not helpful to the room.

This needs to end NOW.
 
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Elroy2017k said:
Name one good reason Mods need to log in as guests or alt accounts.
Pro tip: you cant

There is no reason a MOD needs to log in as a guest to observe chat. MODS logging in as anything other than their mod account should be fired.

Doing his would cut back on MOD trolling and maximize Moderating.

"Ghost moderating" is a thing reserved for the admin. Not MODS. Having MODS in the user panel is proven to cut back on people breaking rules.

Not only to MODS log in as guests to troll other users but they also log in as a guest to avoid having to moderate. This is not helpful to the room.

This needs to end NOW.
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Shut up bread...
 
Ever heard of the term proactive?

pro·ac·tive
adjective
adjective: proactive; adjective: pro-active
1. (of a person, policy, or action) creating or controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than responding to it after it has happened.

In moderating, the room MODS can proactively keep people from breaking rules by simply being present rather than try to perform "sting" operations like an "undercover cop" responding after the matter. "Undercover cops" are usually trying to target an individual or organization. In the case of a chatroom, a MOD doing this means they could be targetting someone they dont like (instigating and trolling) so that they have an excuse to kick that person once they respond.

Admins "sergeants" can ghost to observe the mods are doing their duties or not breaking rules themselves. That is a good reason.

Since each chatroom is treated as an individual (requiring seperate registration), theres nothing that can be done of MODs logging in as alternate guest accounts in a room which they do not moderate.

However...

The reason stands, there is no good reason to allow a MOD to log into alternate/guest accounts in the room which they Moderate.

@Samwise thoughts?
 
Or perhaps they just want to harass people as a guest/alt..

Theres nothing prohibiting them from chatting with their friends as a mod.

But if youre saying mods can choose when to enforce rules and when not to that sounds a little.. unfair.

The whole point of a volunteer is to undertake a task that needs to be done. In the case of the chat avenue, that is moderating the room(s).
 
Not a good reason.
That defeats the purpose of doing the responsibilites you volunteered to do.
Its not like we have other volunteers that will come pick up your slack. There is only 7 mods per room, IF that.
You not doing your job means no one else can come in and take your position. If you want to chat without having to mod perhaps dont be a mod.
 
Elroy2017k said:
Name one good reason Mods need to log in as guests or alt accounts.
Pro tip: you cant

There is no reason a MOD needs to log in as a guest to observe chat. MODS logging in as anything other than their mod account should be fired.

Doing his would cut back on MOD trolling and maximize Moderating.

"Ghost moderating" is a thing reserved for the admin. Not MODS. Having MODS in the user panel is proven to cut back on people breaking rules.

Not only to MODS log in as guests to troll other users but they also log in as a guest to avoid having to moderate. This is not helpful to the room.

This needs to end NOW.
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"ghost moderating"? Gen Chat mods don't do that if they are in room they are on the panel. At one time mods were not allowed to have second accounts, and in gen chat back in the day if a mod was in room they were expected to be modding. (which is still the case if no one is on )

but there is no good reason anymore for the second account rule, maybe they just want to chat and have fun/ not be "on duty" I'm more concerned creeps on guest accounts than trusted mods.

Thank you for the feedback/comment.
 
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Let's compare this to a paid job, despite this being an unpaid volunteer position. If I work my shift at Aldi and then clock out, am I allowed to shop there as a patron? Absolutely. I'm allowed to be in the store for the purpose the store exists without serving the patrons that come to the establishment to do their shopping. And, I'm allowed to co-exist with them while I and they use the store for its intended use. It's the same thing in a chatroom, except the stakes are lower because it's an unpaid volunteer position. Before or after a mod has completed their shift, they are allowed to use the chatroom for its intended use without being on the clock. Mods can't toggle on and off their mod shield, so that means they need an alternate account to be in the room and chat there when they are not performing their work duties.
 
Samwise said:
"ghost moderating"? Gen Chat mods don't do that if they are in room they are on the panel. At one time mods were not allowed to have second accounts, and in gen chat back in the day if a mod was in room they were expected to be modding. (which is still the case if no one is on )

but there is no good reason anymore for the second account rule, maybe they just want to chat and have fun/ not be "on duty" I'm more concerned creeps on guest accounts than trusted mods.

Thank you for the feedback/comment.
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We have established through the numerous complaints of mods on forums that mods are to be anything but "trusted". Trusted within your own kind perhaps, but not the community which they oversee.

There is nothing that prohibits them from being creeps and trolling/harassing themselves. That is a good reason to reinstate 2nd rule.

But CM never reads these suggestions so i dont really see the point of having this thread or even having the suggestions/comments/feedback that no one ever listens to.

LostCause. said:
Let's compare this to a paid job, despite this being an unpaid volunteer position. If I work my shift at Aldi and then clock out, am I allowed to shop there as a patron? Absolutely. I'm allowed to be in the store for the purpose the store exists without serving the patrons that come to the establishment to do their shopping. And, I'm allowed to co-exist with them while I and they use the store for its intended use. It's the same thing in a chatroom, except the stakes are lower because it's an unpaid volunteer position. Before or after a mod has completed their shift, they are allowed to use the chatroom for its intended use without being on the clock. Mods can't toggle on and off their mod shield, so that means they need an alternate account to be in the room and chat there when they are not performing their work duties.
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Lets compare it to ALDIS. Aldis has 7 employees working cashiers. Each of those 7 employees decides they dont feel like working everyday and would rather shop. Who is going to ring up customers now? Nobody.

But guess what, those same employees dont want to give up their benefits so they do as little work as possible, just enough so that dont get fired. Because of these employees not being fired or voluntarily quitting, ALDIS can not hire 7 new employees that could potentially be working the cashiers. ALDIS now losers customers and sales.

Compare that to a chatroom. Mods who willingly avoid their responsibilites means the room is not moderated. Being selfish, the MODS dont want to lose their ability to kick or harass users so they seldomly log in, just enough so that that theyre not absent. Because of their selfishness no one else is able to take up their position. This results in a room that does whatever they want and people that do not want to go in a room because theyll be harassed or see harassment.
 
I normally wouldn’t respond to threads like this because you clearly have a personal agenda that assumes some incorrect things and also you’re a known troll. But I have some time so why not. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Here are two answers to your “concern”.

1. As has been stated above, moderators are ******** also and when they have completed their moderator duties some of them like to chat. As long as the room has at least one moderator present, there should be nothing wrong with someone chatting on a non-mod account. (I personally don’t do this because it would drive me crazy seeing all the violations and not be able to act on them, but to each their own.)

2. Having a non-mod account can reduce the number of pedos and underage that are on the site, making it a safer place. Believe it or not, pedos and Ua do not knock on the Staff Room door and turn themselves in. So if a person on a non-mod account sees a potential pedo or Ua, talks to them and confirms they are, they can report it to the moderator who is present and those individuals can be removed from the site.

Making sure that moderators don’t abuse the privilege of their position is the responsibility of the room admin.
Making sure admins fulfill their duties is the responsibility of the CM.
 
1. I dont know what adult chat is like but Videogameschat lacks moderation and there is currently (10 seconds ago) a guy on there talking about CP with a photo background of someone eating scat with semen on her face. How someone that is volunteering to mod can sit idle while watching this because they "just want to chat instead" is beyond me.

2. You are essentially saying people dont want to MOD because its work and they want to relax. But you are also saying you are willing to work as an "undercover detective". Beyond chat-ave, there are also multiple third party organizations as well as law enforcement agencies that log in and do the same thing. These entities can do a much better job, and criminally charge these people to hold them accountable. Furthermore, the ******** that you talk to can also report these UA or PEDO people. But guess what, you wont be able to see the reports because........
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you wont be on your MOD account

It is more of a benefit to not allow these mods to log in alt accounts then it is to allow them. The former enhances room safety and the latter poses a higher risk for abuse as well as lack of user safety.
 
Elroy2017k said:
1. I dont know what adult chat is like but Videogameschat lacks moderation and there is currently (10 seconds ago) a guy on there talking about CP with a photo background of someone eating scat with semen on her face. How someone that is volunteering to mod can sit idle while watching this because they "just want to chat instead" is beyond me.

2. You are essentially saying people dont want to MOD because its work and they want to relax. But you are also saying you are willing to work as an "undercover detective". Beyond chat-ave there are also multiple third party organizations as well as law enforcement agencies that do the same thing. Furthermore, the ******** that you talk to can also report these UA or PEDO people. But guess what, you wont be able to see the reports because........
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you wont be on your MOD account

It is more of a benefit to not allow these mods to log in alt accounts then it is to allow them. The former enhances room safety and the latter poses a higher risk for abuse as well as lack of user safety.
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Not sure how you know that when you are not logged in. All I see is bread.
 
Why people expect the free volunteer mods and admins, the free site to be good has always made me laugh. chatrooms died years ago. even if they was still alive unless this site had to be monitored and safe at all times by law, you should not expect to get any changes. you get what you get cause its free and nobody not even the cm cares what happens on here. he would only make big changes if he was guaranteed to make much more money or he was forced to.
 
There are numerous organizations around the world that offer free services and are ran by volunteers. Theyre not even remotely bad compared to chat ave. This disproves your opinion that just because something is free it is should be expected to be inherently evil/bad.
 
Elroy2017k said:
There are numerous organizations around the world that offer free services and are ran by volunteers. Theyre not even remotely bad compared to chat ave. This disproves your opinion that just because something is free it is should be expected to be inherently evil/bad.
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Yes the difference is there's demand for some free services, many more factors a chatroom that houses maximum 2000 people per day is not going to get or see any massive updates or changes at all. there's not enough people to demand a change. even if there was the cm doesn't care unless he gets more money. he isn't nice nor does he care. he just wants money, this site is his income. he doesn't want to waste anymore time or energy on this site more then he already does. most free volunteer workers are vetted properly so they will do that job much better, efficient. this site just gives it to whoever, some of the mods are ex trolls, some are pedos. some are racists. the thing is why would the cm care he gets his money. he doesn't need to change much to get his money.
 
I agree with everything except people not demanding a change. Thats all everyone has ever been doing since the inception of these forums. There is 28 pages alone in the suggestions/feedback topic over the last 3 years. Not including many which were probably eradicated by shady forum UMs like purplerose and apollo.
 
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