Russia or Ukraine

[.Princessa]

 

[WeslegOnrot]

1 Year Of Former Soviet Union Territory War.

 

[French Army]

Russia. btw this doesn’t mean I support Putin

 

[BlackLivesMatter]

This was suppose to wrap up in 3 days not continue for a year. Both Putin and Trump have each expressed shock that there is this much resistance. I support the Ukraine people in their effort to be free. I had opportunity to work with a few from there. One time a person's phone went off several times. It turned out those were warnings of airstrikes. I have seen what Russia has done to the land there making it unusable. I have seen bombed out hospitals, day cares and apartments.
The war has gone on long enough. It is time to make Putin pay for his sins.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

The De= nazification of the ukraine- as stated by Russia, seems like a legitimate goal. The Russians know all about war, and I doubt they fear nato.

From the speeches I watch, Mr Putin seems to view the Ukrainians as fellow Slavs, which explains the restraint and pace of their operations. NO I don't approve of war, but I cant imagine the USA allowing a country to help arm- say mexico and have it join an alliance dedicated to the ruination of the States. <---- because of that I call NATO policy on Ukraine as BS

Biden is clearly demented. Putin seems to be quite stubborn, and a comedian is trying to instigate armagedhon. Happy times eh?

 

[Radiation]

The De= nazification of the ukraine- as stated by Russia, seems like a legitimate goal.

When your "de-nazification" involves bombing hospitals and daycares and killing thousands of innocent civilians, then you're no longer in the right no matter what you call it.

From the speeches I watch, Mr Putin seems to view the Ukrainians as fellow Slavs, which explains the restraint and pace of their operations.

Restraint wasn't involved. They went all out - but their military wasn't trained properly and their equipment wasn't up to standard.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

When your "de-nazification" involves bombing hospitals and daycares and killing thousands of innocent civilians, then you're no longer in the right no matter what you call it.

Restraint wasn't involved. They went all out - but their military wasn't trained properly and their equipment wasn't up to standard.

The americans call that "collateral damage" yes? Are you saying then the immense casualties inflicted on IraQ, including hospitals and civilian deaths, would also be war crimes? IM not saying thr Russians are "right" Im saying I understand the "why"

"All Out" ? I suggest looking up Stalingrad, Kursk, and Operation Bagration. That is all out. They know how to do that. The transition from a defensive military to an offensive one takes time.


De Nazification seems like something the Soviets would be very keen on- given the fact they lost 22 million people in WW2- If im not mistaken, there was a Waffen SS unit formed out of Ukranian volunteers in WW2.

Mr Putin gave a speech where I think he claimed the Ukraine was a "Mistake of History" ? I can't say he is right on that, but there is a strong argument could be made that the Ukraine has been part of russia - for a very long time. A pro Moscow regime was toppled by the West, and replaced by one hostile to Moscow and who wanted NATO membership.

Why would Russia tolerate such weaponry and forces less than 300 km from Moscow? The USA or Canada would never tolerate a hostile organization to place such forces 300 km for our capitals.

The Geneva Convention specifically prohibits the waging of "aggressive war" If you want to indcit Putin? ok. Make sure that 2 President Bushes, infact almost every post war US president save Jimmy Carter joins him. ( and not just US politicians either lots others)

 

[.Princessa]

Ukraine better win this war. I stand for UKRANIE! I AM AMERICAN AND PROUD. I will still pray for other countries. I love YOU URKAINE coming from an American. Sending care packages-letters over there for you, sending prayers, sending hope, and peace for UKRAINE. SAY NO TO WAR. STOP THE WAR NOW. RUSSIA LEAVE UKRAINE ALONE. IT'S NOT YOURS ANYMORE. REMEBER, YOU SOLD SOME OF YOUR LAND. RUSSIA PRESIDENT IS THE DEVIL. Sadly, people lost their life for no reason whatsoever. Putin you are one cruel man. You should have never started this war. PUTIN YOU ARE WRONG FOR KILLING PEOPLE. They did not Deseve to die. You Putin are a piece of crap. Karma is coming after you. You cheated on your wife Putin when you were married to her. I dislikes war and cheaters. SMH! Yes, I am mad. WAR SUCKS!

 

[Radiation]

The americans call that "collateral damage" yes?

No. Collateral damage is accidental. These civilian bombings were intentional.

Are you saying then the immense casualties inflicted on IraQ, including hospitals and civilian deaths, would also be war crimes?

Yes, any intentional civilian killings by any military party are war crimes.

"All Out" ? I suggest looking up Stalingrad, Kursk, and Operation Bagration. That is all out. They know how to do that. The transition from a defensive military to an offensive one takes time.

Sure, you can say it's because of a style transition - but, the full-scale invasion from Russia should have been over fairly quickly, since Russia is supposed to have one of the world's largest military forces. Seems there's quite a bit of incompetency on their part.

De Nazification seems like something the Soviets would be very keen on- given the fact they lost 22 million people in WW2- If im not mistaken, there was a Waffen SS unit formed out of Ukranian volunteers in WW2.

So it's okay to invade a country and kill civilians just because the president claimed they're "de-nazifying"? You can claim any invasion of any country is justified because of a small number of extremists - which will exist in any country. Also President Zelenskyy himself is Jewish.

Mr Putin gave a speech where I think he claimed the Ukraine was a "Mistake of History" ? I can't say he is right on that, but there is a strong argument could be made that the Ukraine has been part of russia - for a very long time. A pro Moscow regime was toppled by the West, and replaced by one hostile to Moscow and who wanted NATO membership.

Again, doesn't justify an invasion and war crimes. Also, this simply isn't true. Kyiv was founded and populated significantly earlier in history than Moscow was, and Ukraine has always had language and customs separate from those of Russia.

Why would Russia tolerate such weaponry and forces less than 300 km from Moscow? The USA or Canada would never tolerate a hostile organization to place such forces 300 km for our capitals.

Not sure what you're talking about here? What hostile forces were placed by Ukraine close to Russia's capital?

The Geneva Convention specifically prohibits the waging of "aggressive war" If you want to indcit Putin? ok. Make sure that 2 President Bushes, infact almost every post war US president save Jimmy Carter joins him. ( and not just US politicians either lots others)

Everyone who commits war crimes should be indicted for such. Regardless of who they are.

 

[.Princessa]

No. Collateral damage is accidental. These civilian bombings were intentional.

Yes, any intentional civilian killings by any military party are war crimes.

Sure, you can say it's because of a style transition - but, the full-scale invasion from Russia should have been over fairly quickly, since Russia is supposed to have one of the world's largest military forces. Seems there's quite a bit of incompetency on their part.

So it's okay to invade a country and kill civilians just because the president claimed they're "de-nazifying"? You can claim any invasion of any country is justified because of a small number of extremists - which will exist in any country. Also President Zelenskyy himself is Jewish.

Again, doesn't justify an invasion and war crimes. Also, this simply isn't true. Kyiv was founded and populated significantly earlier in history than Moscow was, and Ukraine has always had language and customs separate from those of Russia.

Not sure what you're talking about here? What hostile forces were placed by Ukraine close to Russia's capital?

Everyone who commits war crimes should be indicted for such. Regardless of who they are.

Amen to that.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

No. Collateral damage is accidental. These civilian bombings were intentional.

Yes, any intentional civilian killings by any military party are war crimes.

Sure, you can say it's because of a style transition - but, the full-scale invasion from Russia should have been over fairly quickly, since Russia is supposed to have one of the world's largest military forces. Seems there's quite a bit of incompetency on their part.

So it's okay to invade a country and kill civilians just because the president claimed they're "de-nazifying"? You can claim any invasion of any country is justified because of a small number of extremists - which will exist in any country. Also President Zelenskyy himself is Jewish.

Again, doesn't justify an invasion and war crimes. Also, this simply isn't true. Kyiv was founded and populated significantly earlier in history than Moscow was, and Ukraine has always had language and customs separate from those of Russia.

Not sure what you're talking about here? What hostile forces were placed by Ukraine close to Russia's capital?

Everyone who commits war crimes should be indicted for such. Regardless of who they are.

The Ukraine- including their leader has asked for NATO membership- and certain specific weapons. I think its 300km from the border to moscow but I could be wrong.

To be clear, I dont support the invasion of countries, or the waging of aggressive wars. And I am very skeptical of whats reported in mainstream news organizations. I can "understand" the Russian perspective, just as I can understand Ukraines (current postion) If the UN had any credibility- they would be working towards peacekeepers and some sort of negotiated solution.

But the UN has no credibility now, and neither does the security council.

And im concerned about the game of nuclear brinksmanship.

 

[Radiation]

The Ukraine- including their leader has asked for NATO membership- and certain specific weapons. I think its 300km from the border to moscow but I could be wrong.

To be clear, I dont support the invasion of countries, or the waging of aggressive wars. And I am very skeptical of whats reported in mainstream news organizations. I can "understand" the Russian perspective, just as I can understand Ukraines (current postion) If the UN had any credibility- they would be working towards peacekeepers and some sort of negotiated solution.

But the UN has no credibility now, and neither does the security council.

And im concerned about the game of nuclear brinksmanship.

It's 450 KM, and a different independent country.

The UN did call for a peace agreement, but Russia refused it. So they're doing the next best thing - defending the independent invaded country.

For the last thing you said I agree, any nuclear conflict would end very badly for everyone involved.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

It's 450 KM, and a different independent country.

The UN did call for a peace agreement, but Russia refused it. So they're doing the next best thing - defending the independent invaded country.

For the last thing you said I agree, any nuclear conflict would end very badly for everyone involved.

ok yes the 450 miles to kieve --so close. If I remember they also said any peace talks basically had russia leaving enirely to pre war borders- so thats not really a negotiation.

 

[Radiation]

ok yes the 450 miles to kieve --so close.

Doesn't matter though. It's a separate indepent country - a country doesn't have a say over what weapons other countries keep inside their borders.

If I remember they also said any peace talks basically had russia leaving enirely to pre war borders- so thats not really a negotiation.

Also, according to the Budapest Memorandum, which Russia signed - Russia agreed not to attack Ukraine and to respect its border boundaries. That's another of many agreements/treaties that Russia broke by invading Ukraine.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

Doesn't matter though. It's a separate indepent country - a country doesn't have a say over what weapons other countries keep inside their borders.

Putin seems to contest that- calling it a "mistake of history" I cant speak to that agreement, because (one I dont know anything about tit) Im assuming after the pro moskow regime was topped - and a regime created that was PRO Nato- that he took issue and prior agreements were rejected

Much like Merkel said the Minsk accord was a dupe of sorts?

 

[Rachel_NY]

It is getting really bad. China has been giving Russia supplies and now artlillery shells and kamikaze drones, and Russia said it will invade Poland next.

 

[.Princessa]

I wish Russia would just stop. And China needs to stop helping Russia. There both unhelpful either. All they want to wars. Terrible! God we need you now with these wars more than ever.

 

[.Princessa]

Dear God please STOP this WAR. In God's name I pray. 🙏 Amen.
The devil is out. GOD WILL ALWAYS WIN AGAINST THE DEVIL. WARS are unacceptable. Devil you suck and you will never win with God here. No wonder you're in HELL DEVIL. You kill innocent people devil. The devil is real and so is God. God bless Ukraine right now. God bless this and whole entire world. I know God loves his whole. And bad things will happen. And good things will happen. Stay strong everyone. Never give up hope everyone. God is in control always. I love you God so much. I pray that this war will end sooner than later.

 

[Akrta]

All I'll say is this, I have a friend in Ukraine, things he tells me are just graphic. Violence against women and the shelling....both done by Russia. I agree with the war to be stopped. Russia will not go back to it's glory days before WW2. Putin will never recognize that. Because he was raised in the KGB, and think the old ways are better. Which its not. Going back 100 years isn't going to get Russia anywhere.

 

[Akrta]

It's stupid that Putin thinks that he's going to recreate the Soviet Union, it ain't going to happen. The old ways aren't the good ways. Communism, isn't going to win Ukraine democratic politics and whatnot.

Slava Ukraini
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