Should pregnant girls be expelled from school?

[Cherries in the snow]

I've answered all of those points actually.

I've answered that too. If they DO get thrown out, it will be because of the fact that they are pregnant...not necessarily because they gt expelled.

😵 So we should all go get laid? Seriously...

Umm...I didn't say they ARE adults. I said they should be TREATED like adults. There's a difference.



It might not be her fault, but then again, we have to keep in mind that rape isn't the main cause of teen pregnancies. Therefore, you can't really use that to support your arguement if 9/10 pregnancies aren't rape-related, but rather choice-related.
So the government can provide the pregnant teens with free edu. as well. 😵 I mean, at the end, the cost would still be the same.

Let me give you an example.
You have this extremely popular girl who has parties every weekend where they get laid. One day, she falls pregnant at one of her parties. She has her baby and comes back to school. And what do you know? Because she's so popular, she has somehow made this ordeal into something glamourous. So the next time she has her party, lots of other girls go...they get pressured into having ***, they fall pregnant.

That was an example hun. you cannot deny the fact that in certain schools, the environment aren't exactly safe.
The times have changed.

IT's not your job to say what the government's job is. 😱k:

I wasn't using r.ape to support my argument. You said date r.ape is partially the girls fault, I said it is not. A guy who commits date r.ape has no one to blame but himself.

No, if the government provides a seperate education outside of the already existing public school system, the cost would not be the same. The additional systems expense would be added on the already existing cost.

Thanks for the example but most girls do not associate pregnancy with a glamorous life. Here's my example. My friends and I always realized being a pregnant teenager while still in school is a huge burden and never wished it for ourselves. It's common sense.

It is the peoples job to determine what the government controls. That's what a government of the people, by the people and for the people is supposed to mean.

 

[AжзMann]

I wasn't using r.ape to support my argument. You said date r.ape is partially the girls fault, I said it is not. A guy who commits date r.ape has no one to blame but himself.

Outside the debate I would like to point out that yes, date rap.e is a revolting act but some girl's DO make themselves more susceptible to it then others.

I would also like to say that although it takes two people to get a girl pregnant it is the girl that has to care for the child inside her womb for 9 months and in most teen pregnancy's she has to do it alone and alone for a lot longer then the 9 months.

IF ITS NOT ON, ITS NOT ON LADY'S! ( If he isn't wearing protection, shake your finger at him. :nono: )

 

[Fearless]

I know. I never said it was because of getting expelled. I'm pointing out that expelling the girls is going to add onto their problems - making things all the more difficult and you know how some people can react to situations like this - The combination of being expelled, thrown out, with no qualifications to get a job to feed the coming child could result in the suicide of a pregnant female. Because that stuff happens! ​

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Frankly, I really don't see how. Pregnant girls need what is called TLC (tender loving care) and a school cannot give them that. Their families, on the other hand, can. Therefore, it would be in their best interest to stay at home. I mean, if they're not expelled then their parents would probably force them to go back to school...but what if they don't want to? What if they can't stand the pressure and the humiliation? What if they're just too tired to work?​

Combination of hormones and instinct - it can be hard to overcome. But basicly the only reason we are on this earth it to "mate" just because we walk on 2 legs dosn't change that fact. No matter what you or anybody else says. But that's a whole new detabe in it's self.

Well...I'm not saying that it's easy to over come our hormonal instincts...but there ARE other ways like -coughMasturbationCough- 🙄 Like, seriously, no one can get pregnant from doing that. :lol:​

I didn't say you said they WERE adults - I pointed out that you said they should be treated as such - which makes my comment about all humans that have gone through puberty remaining valid - if they should be treated like adults then so should all "children" over the age of 14, no?

Huh? I think you've misunderstood. We're focusing on sex and pregnancies. As in, if a girl wants to have sex, then surely that is considered as an 'adult' act...therefore she must then be treated as adults. But that doesn't mean we must treat everyone over 14 as adults because not everyone over 14 has sex. It's like...if a child commits murder, then he/she should suffer the consequences.​

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Is it your's?

Umm...actually...the great thing about being the proposing house is that you are the governemnt. >> prop = gov. That's how it works in a debate.​

I wasn't using r.ape to support my argument. You said date r.ape is partially the girls fault, I said it is not. A guy who commits date r.ape has no one to blame but himself.

Alright, fine. So in cases of rape, its not her fault. But what I don't understand is...say if I was raped, I would take a morning after pill...to prevent unwanted pregnancies. So, in that case, I wouldn't be pregnant. But, if I refuse to take the pill, then it makes ppl wonder, was it really rape? Or was it consensual, but I was just claiming that I got raped. But that's going off the topic now.

No, if the government provides a seperate education outside of the already existing public school system, the cost would not be the same. The additional systems expense would be added on the already existing cost.

That may be true, but you cannot possibly tell me that a country like America or UK can't afford to spend that money :hmm: Like, honestly...they're way too rich.

Thanks for the example but most girls do not associate pregnancy with a glamorous life. Here's my example. My friends and I always realized being a pregnant teenager while still in school is a huge burden and never wished it for ourselves. It's common sense.

The sad reality of life is that not everyone is as sensible as you. There are some pretty stupid ppl out there.

It is the peoples job to determine what the government controls. That's what a government of the people, by the people and for the people is supposed to mean.

And expelling them is for their own benefit, as I've stated.

 

[Cherries in the snow]

Oh, and casting them out as examples of embarrassment and shame in hopes of making them feel alienated more than they already do is a much more compassionate idea. Lovely. 🙄

I have no problem with alternative education for pregnant girls but it should be her choice to leave public school, she shouldn't be thrown out against her will.

 

[wexel]

U R a complete ***********

 

[Fearless]

U R a complete ***********

I've no clue what you just said. And I really don't give a continental damn either. 😱k:

 

[♥Ťeddy♥]

I disagree with the ones who say they should be expelled they shouldnt cuz aleast there getting education and doing the right thing expelling them is just wrong they have know that what they did wasnt good but not by showin if your pregnant expelled and i bet if you where pregnant you would'nt want to be expelled from school....you wouldnt like to feel like a drop out thats why in my highschool they have daycares for the girls who have children see now thats what you call a good and supporting school but..it not for them to get pregnant and feel good...that they could leave there children.anywhere...

 

[RUFUS]

No they should not be expelled. School is about equal opprotunities in learning and there should be no biased opinions, pregnant or not that is an individual who needs a solid education, without that diploma every employer would look at you like "Hell if you couldn't apply yourself to school, what makes you think you could apply yourself to a job?"

I have known many friends of mine who were pregnant and were either forced or it was implied that they didn't belong in school. People need to grow up, face the facts of life, not turn people away and should be accepting and show some character when it comes to things like this. This is nothing new. Bottom line, the choice to leave school or not, should not be by the board, the teachers, the principle but by the student themselves---but I would mightily suggest talking it over with family before making that decision.

I had a friend who went to night school so that she could get her diploma, so that during the day she could take care of her baby. There is other options ffs rather than telling someone to get out.

No wonder kids these days don't do well in school, because SCHOOL is supposed to be a place where you can make friends, learn and be able to talk to these people when you have nobody else to confide in for help. These teachers need to realise THIS isn't just a job, and there is going to be situations like this, and they need to be ADULTS about it, not have the attitude "Well can't have her here cus she will be a distraction."

Cus that type of answer and thought is nothing but a cop out for teachers who can't cope and don't know how to deal with anything.

 

[Rob!!!]

of course they shouldnt be expelled they will all be out getting beans blew up there muff in the hope of becomeing pregnant ... how many people like skool maybe 5% the ones whos mum and dad make em and the nerds

 

[LDN]

Pregnant girls should take the consequences of their action, and if they are in schooling, yet over the legal age then in my opinion they shouldn't be expelled as what they have done is legal. Schools should be supportive, send work home and generally help with any issuses the girl may have.
Either way, though, the pregnant girl should be given 3 months off to bring up the child, as she will be learning to be a mother in that regard, and then resume her normal education, maybe stay behind a year. Depending on the situation and the attained grades..
Regardless, they should know better..

 

[Fearless]

Ok. I think all the points that can be said were said, as well as all the counter arguements, etc. I just want to thank everyone for a really nice debate...and I just want to reiterate what I've said earlier...that the points I used for my arguement aren't necessarily my personal view points. I only chose to propose the motion because I knew most of you would oppose it, and I wanted this to be something interactive. So there's no need to take everything so personally >> And I say this with reference to the bad reps I got 🙄 rofl.

 

[leighrae]

learn from my experience

learn from my experience

I was pregnant at 16 from poor choices and a bad home life. I did however finish school and think everyone should. If I had not, I probably would not have bothered with it later, became a welfare mom like most do and would not have the life I have today. Instead I finished school, got my degree, and went on to college. I ended up marrying the father of my child which later ended in a divorce, but am now happily married again for ten years now and never regretted anything I did. When young girls are forced to leave school, it is very hard for them to go back or find other ways of getting their education. They are young and are not aware of all the options. As far as being injured at school, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You have a better chance of being hit by a car crossing the road. But some narrow minded people will come up with anything to hold others back. I do agree on larger schools with high pregnancy rates to have special classes for the pregnant girls. I think that helps them cope and gives them a support group with some others in their same situation. I however, went to a very small rural school and did not have that option, but did have teachers and friends who supported my decision. Just because these girls make bad decisions or in some cases are raped they should not be forced to jeopordize their future and be kicked out of school. I hope my girls make better decisions than I did and I try to educate them on *** and relationships, but things happen and everyone should encourage education no matter what!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alfie]

right on leighrae :clap

 

[The Girl From Ipanema]

I was pregnant at 16 from poor choices and a bad home life. I did however finish school and think everyone should. If I had not, I probably would not have bothered with it later, became a welfare mom like most do and would not have the life I have today. Instead I finished school, got my degree, and went on to college. I ended up marrying the father of my child which later ended in a divorce, but am now happily married again for ten years now and never regretted anything I did. When young girls are forced to leave school, it is very hard for them to go back or find other ways of getting their education. They are young and are not aware of all the options. As far as being injured at school, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You have a better chance of being hit by a car crossing the road. But some narrow minded people will come up with anything to hold others back. I do agree on larger schools with high pregnancy rates to have special classes for the pregnant girls. I think that helps them cope and gives them a support group with some others in their same situation. I however, went to a very small rural school and did not have that option, but did have teachers and friends who supported my decision. Just because these girls make bad decisions or in some cases are raped they should not be forced to jeopordize their future and be kicked out of school. I hope my girls make better decisions than I did and I try to educate them on *** and relationships, but things happen and everyone should encourage education no matter what!!!!!!!!!!

Well said and I also think you should be proud of your achievements 🙂

 

[leighrae]

Thank you for all the support. More people should be supportive rather than judgemental. 🙂

 

[gentlemang]

i dont think they should b expelled from school wat would that achieve they lose there education just cause there pregnant thats just stupid we dont get sacked from our jobs if we get pregnant wats the diff u cant stop young girls gettin pregnant theres nothin u can do about it only educate and takin them out of school would only make matters worse

i agree with this there is no need to expelle girls from school if they were pregnant,because a few months before she is due she be out of school anyway just like a adult woman would be out of her work a few months before they are due,so what happens when she has her baby is she not aloud to come back to school to get education,some how i think thats wrong and its true what angelbabe says women dnt get sacked from there jobs if they were pregnant.oh and what about the boy that got the girl pregnant does he get expelled from school also?no some how i dnt think so it takes 2 to tango.

 

[Fearless]

I was pregnant at 16 from poor choices and a bad home life. I did however finish school and think everyone should. If I had not, I probably would not have bothered with it later, became a welfare mom like most do and would not have the life I have today. Instead I finished school, got my degree, and went on to college. I ended up marrying the father of my child which later ended in a divorce, but am now happily married again for ten years now and never regretted anything I did. When young girls are forced to leave school, it is very hard for them to go back or find other ways of getting their education. They are young and are not aware of all the options. As far as being injured at school, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You have a better chance of being hit by a car crossing the road. But some narrow minded people will come up with anything to hold others back. I do agree on larger schools with high pregnancy rates to have special classes for the pregnant girls. I think that helps them cope and gives them a support group with some others in their same situation. I however, went to a very small rural school and did not have that option, but did have teachers and friends who supported my decision. Just because these girls make bad decisions or in some cases are raped they should not be forced to jeopordize their future and be kicked out of school. I hope my girls make better decisions than I did and I try to educate them on *** and relationships, but things happen and everyone should encourage education no matter what!!!!!!!!!!

You know...I can probably find a success story about someone who got pregnant and never went back to school...but they still managed to get an education, and a job/family etc.

My point is...in a proper debate, personal experiences mean nothing.

 

[Fearless]

that's just your excuse to talk about sh!t when you have no idea wtf you are talking about

like when you decided to make a debate about drug testing in schools... cos you watched one program on tv about it.

Look, I don't to start a fight with you OK? I'm not talking shit, and you know it. In a proper debate, you can never use your personal experience << And the drug testing thing...I don't remember saying anything about a TV program :hmm: Besides...you shouldn't take things so personally. I only proposed the motion because I know the rest would oppose it. And I wanted this to be interactive, and not a one-sided debate...And just for the record, I do believe that pregnant girls should stay in school. So there. 😱k:

 

[Fearless]

i'm not too bothered about this thread. because you said you just wanted to provoke people into a debate... but what you end up with is just an argument.

like with the drug testing thread (which made me resolve never to come back here for a debate) you just stated your point over and over again without taking into consideration what other people were saying. And upon questioning your entire data knowlage was based on one television program that you had watched. and you had infact yourself had zero contact with any type of illigal drug. you were trying to push that over real life experiences of drugs and random drug testing as well as logical economic and social problems that would arise.

you say that real life experiences were irrelevent in a debate, yet you used them yourself, and when you used them they were valid according to you, yet when myself and others used them they were irrelevent according to you.

Then I'm going to ask you nicely to just leave this thread.
I'm not trying to provoke anyone :hmm: If I weren't proposing, then we wouldn't even have a debate...but I guess you wouldn't know, cause you didn't even read any of it. If you had, then you would realise that everyone respected each-others view points, etc. And this is far from an arguement...which btw, you're trying to turn this into.

With the drug testing debate...I only stated my points because you refused to listen 😵 and if you're gonna be put off because of that...then...that's your problem. I mean, like seriously...you were doing the same thing ffs. And I don't remember saying anything about a TV program. Stop putting words in my mouth. :hmm:

Umm...Dude, I used them as an example << not as a main point! I didn't equivalate my experience to the general norm...:hmm: which is what that other person did. She assumed that all pregnant girls are going to end up happy, etc if they went back to school.

Besides, with that drug testing thing...it wasn't just my personal experience...it was done to the entire high school...so that's like, 150 ppl. But that's really irrelavant because I never used that as a basis for my arguement...it was just a case study.

So pls don't reply to this. I really don't want to start an arguement. The debate's over anyways, so it's really pointless.

 

[CoRy]

Absolutely freaking not. If the parent is not very sick, she can handle it. If she wants to leave, that's her choice, but you can't decide what a mother can and cannot do just because she's pregnant, especially when it comes to education. When it comes time to give birth, she can have her work sent to her and do it when she's well. Her life shouldn't have to take a complete halt.