so how about them aliens???

[babydolla]

...& i don't mean illegal immigrants...

i mean, extraterrestrials, beings from another world 👽

lots of crazy things going on out there, that governments just simply cant ignore anymore; but are they aliens???

dolla here, & this is a poll / discussion / debate about;

aliens; & is this all actually happening for realsies???

lots of videos out there, & congressional hearings; rumblings about recovered crashes, reverse engineering, & the presence of so-called-biologics 👀

but where is everything??? vague footage, & wild claims neither are no stranger to congressional hearings & a sensationalist media with dying ratings; just one of many examples, videos like these 👇🏼

or vague photos, poor quality photos often in black & white like these 👇🏼

Spoiler

i for one think its for realsies, aliens or whateva they are i dont think theyre our friends either; certainly we has yet to be vaporized, but i'm fairly certainly thats generally bc they want us to be their slaves; also what is with them comin' in & out of the oceans???

what if they aren't aliens at all, but another sentient being that has unknowing to us has been evolving along side us perhaps even before us; but inside the oceans 🪸

or is this a more sinister plot by the powers-that-be to trick the world into believing there is a threat greater than themselves to force upon us a one world government??? 😱

so what say you community??? what does everyone else make of this??? does anyone else has anything to share??? do you even believe in any of this???

scary stuff whatever it is...

...vote & discuss...

peace,
god-bless 🕊️🕊️

disclaimer: changing votes allowed in case opinions are swayed

 

[Bourne1]

@babydolla you again smoking too much weed 🤣🤣

 

[!tulsa!]

Where is the “ I AM the alien, and, do you wanna burn one?” (Also yes ) option ?

 

[babydolla]

Where is the “ I AM the alien, and, do you wanna burn one?” (Also yes ) option ?

i imagine that if someone is secretly an alien, they would vote one of the no options rather than select the option that exposes them as a body snatcher 👺

 

[!tulsa!]

Changed my vote. Due to. Things. 🤣

 

[BlackLivesMatter]

Click bait.

 

[babydolla]

Click bait.

i know you take what i post with a grain of salt, but i dont think spherical the UFO recorded two days ago in manchester is clickbait...

it's trending all over the internet, & has photo analysists baffled by it 👀

here is a good photo, & a gif i converted from the original footage shared on twitter by the pilot that recorded this 👇🏼

 

[emileh]

This is a bit of a soapbox of mine. If something is labelled unidentified then it's exactly that. Unidentified. Let's gather solid data before jumping to irrational conclusions.

This video gives a rational analysis of the issue and is 20 minutes long. If you're too impatient to watch the whole thing then at least watch the section from 6 minutes to 12 minutes which explains the flaws with human perception and why science is evidence based.

Most of these things are explained by natural phenomena. Weather balloons, drones, aircraft, optical artifacts...

 

[Robinm]

yes, I believe that they have always been among us..

 

[SexyCheryl]

Aliens will definitely exist somewhere in the universe, it would be weirder if they didn't.

They obviously won't be little green men travelling around in flying saucers, but there'll be life somewhere. Unless you really think Earth is that special.

 

[emileh]

Aliens will definitely exist somewhere in the universe, it would be weirder if they didn't.

They obviously won't be little green men travelling around in flying saucers, but there'll be life somewhere. Unless you really think Earth is that special.

It's taken about 3.5 billion years to go from single celled organisms to multicellular, vertebrate intelligent life on Earth. The universe is 13.8 billion years old. There's going to be a lot of simple life out there and that'll be the vast majority of planets that have life on them. The equivalent of human intelligence is going to be a lot rarer than that but given the sheer size of the universe, number of galaxies in it and the number of stars in those of which probably 10% will be suitable for complex life, then yes there will be other intelligent life out there somewhere.

They won't be sitting (or whatever they do) down at a table with us though, or taking joy rides through our atmosphere either. There are several reasons that won't happen. The first and biggest is that of the universal speed limit which is 300,000 km/s (a wee bit less actually but that's close enough) or 186,000 miles/s. Nothing with mass can reach that limit. The second is that of the 3.5 billion years of evolution, we've existed for less than a million years and only reached any level of civilisation in the last 10,000 or so. That's a miniscule .00028% of evolutionary time. For another equivalent level or even higher level civilisation to exist in the same time scale in a near enough neighbourhood of the universe is so infinitesimally unlikely as to be laughable. The third is the vast distances between stars,

 

[DontCostYaNuffin]

With billions of galaxies, each containing millions of stars and potentially habitable planets, the odds suggest that life could exist elsewhere. The Drake Equation estimates the number of civilizations we might communicate with, considering factors like star formation rates and the probability of life developing.

So what exactly is the Drake equation?
The Drake Equation estimates the number of active extraterrestrial civilizations in our galaxy. It considers factors like star formation rates, the fraction of stars with planets, and the likelihood of those planets supporting life. The equation is: N = R* × fp × ne × fl × fi × fc × L Where: - N = the number of civilizations - R* = average rate of star formation - fp = fraction of stars with planetary systems - ne = average number of planets that could support life per star - fl = fraction of planets that could develop life - fi = fraction of life that evolves into intelligent beings - fc = fraction of civilizations that develop technology - L = length of time civilizations release detectable signals It's a way to quantify the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, but results vary widely based on assumptions.

Furthermore, astrobiology explores extreme environments on Earth, revealing that life can thrive in conditions once thought inhospitable—such as deep-sea vents and acidic lakes. This adaptability hints that life might exist in diverse forms on other planets or moons, like Europa or Enceladus, which have subsurface oceans. Moreover, the discovery of exoplanets in the "habitable zone," where conditions could support liquid water, strengthens the case for extraterrestrial life. However, definitive evidence has yet to be found. The search continues through missions like the Mars rovers and telescopes capable of studying distant worlds' atmospheres for bio signatures. So In conclusion, given the universe's enormity, it's a tantalizing possibility that multicellular life exists.

 

[SexyCheryl]

It's taken about 3.5 billion years to go from single celled organisms to multicellular, vertebrate intelligent life on Earth. The universe is 13.8 billion years old. There's going to be a lot of simple life out there and that'll be the vast majority of planets that have life on them. The equivalent of human intelligence is going to be a lot rarer than that but given the sheer size of the universe, number of galaxies in it and the number of stars in those of which probably 10% will be suitable for complex life, then yes there will be other intelligent life out there somewhere.

They won't be sitting (or whatever they do) down at a table with us though, or taking joy rides through our atmosphere either. There are several reasons that won't happen. The first and biggest is that of the universal speed limit which is 300,000 km/s (a wee bit less actually but that's close enough) or 186,000 miles/s. Nothing with mass can reach that limit. The second is that of the 3.5 billion years of evolution, we've existed for less than a million years and only reached any level of civilisation in the last 10,000 or so. That's a miniscule .00028% of evolutionary time. For another equivalent level or even higher level civilisation to exist in the same time scale in a near enough neighbourhood of the universe is so infinitesimally unlikely as to be laughable. The third is the vast distances between stars,

So I think basically we believe the same thing, just you made it a bit more science-y. 😂👽🤝

 

[babydolla]

@emileh,

lets pretend for a moment that aliens from another world are really visiting our planet…

…that all these crafts are of alien origin…

if this was ever to come to light beyond reasonable doubt; you know that it would completely change the science as we know it, right???

what u said very well may be right on paper, but its not absolute…

so with that scenario in mind, who is to say they arent already here? the science? the science can just as easily be wrong 🙊

 

[emileh]

@emileh,

lets pretend for a moment that aliens from another world are really visiting our planet…

…that all these crafts are of alien origin…

if this was ever to come to light beyond reasonable doubt; you know that it would completely change the science as we know it, right???

what u said very well may be right on paper, but its not absolute…

so with that scenario in mind, who is to say they arent already here? the science? the science can just as easily be wrong 🙊

A bold thought doesn't override all the thousands of hours of proper (i.e. scientific rather than ******* etc) research and meticulously collected and analysed data that goes into the science behind my post.

The speed of light in a vacuum was determined to be the absolute speed limit in the universe in Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. Don't be fooled by the word theory there, it means something completely different to an idea in science, it represents a hypothesis that has been proven by testing and this particular one has survived every single test that's been thrown at it (and there have been so many) since it was published. The only thing that can exceed the speed of light in a vacuum is the universe itself, and anything with mass within the universe can never reach it. The only things that can travel at the speed of light itself are photons, the electromagnetic force carrier, and they can only do that because they have zero rest mass.

If you, as a human, were to travel at the speed of light itself, the distance in your direction of travel would shrink to zero and time would stop for you. Handy? Not really. At the same time you would become infinitely wide and infinitely thin with respect to the direction of travel and your mass would increase to infinity.

The speed of light might sound fast (and compared to anything humans have ever experienced it is), but it's still slow on universal scales. To get to our nearest star would take you 4.2 years, to get to the Andromeda galaxy would take you 2.5 million years.

There have been two ways to get around this limit proposed. One comes directly from Einstein's work and that is wormholes, two distant points connected by a bridge in space time that would allow instantaneous travel (assuming the experience would be survivable). The other is to effectively wrap space time around yourself and propel that faster than the speed of light.

Both require an exotic form of matter with negative energy density that has never been detected and that would require an energy output greater that that of the milky way galaxy to transport a small ship over any distance.

All that effort just to fly around in our atmosphere and chat to the likes of Trump?

 

[DontCostYaNuffin]

^

Extraterrestrial life wouldn't necessarily have to travel at the speed of light to visit us, though, although that would be the most efficient way given the vast distances in space. The nearest star system, Alpha Centauri, is about 4.37 light-years away, meaning light takes over four years to reach us from there. If a spacecraft could travel at just 10% of the speed of light, it would still take over 40 years to make the journey, which is a significant time frame for any civilization. However, there are theoretical concepts that could allow for faster-than-light travel for instance the Alcubierre Drive theory which proposes warping space-time around a spacecraft, potentially allowing for faster-than-light travel without violating the laws of physics as we currently understand them.

The Alcubierre Drive is a theoretical concept proposed by physicist Miguel Alcubierre in 1994. It suggests a method for faster-than-light (FTL) travel by manipulating space-time rather than moving through it.

Here’s how it works: 1. The drive creates a "warp bubble" around a spacecraft. This bubble contracts space in front of the ship and expands space behind it. Thus, the ship itself doesn’t move through space but rides the wave of space-time. 2. Space-Time Manipulation: According to general relativity, space and time are interconnected. By altering the curvature of space-time, the drive could theoretically allow for travel distances that would take years at light speed to be traversed in much shorter times. 3. The original calculations suggested that the energy required to power such a drive would be enormous, potentially equivalent to the mass-energy of entire planets. However, later analyses have indicated that it might be feasible with exotic matter that has negative energy density. 4. Causality and Paradoxes: While it offers a fascinating possibility for FTL travel, the Alcubierre Drive raises questions about causality and the potential for paradoxes. The concept relies on Einstein's theory of general relativity, which allows for the manipulation of space-time. The drive doesn’t require the spacecraft to exceed light speed within its local bubble, thus avoiding relativistic effects that would make high-speed travel problematic. 5. The theory posits the need for "exotic matter" with negative energy density to stabilize the warp bubble, which could theoretically enable such high-speed travel. This innovative approach to space travel suggests that high speeds could be achieved without violating the laws of physics as we currently understand them.

Edit: not everyone might be familiar with the concept of ‘exotic matter’. Exotic matter is a hypothetical form of matter that possesses properties not found in normal matter, such as negative energy density or negative mass. It is theorized to be essential for stabilizing phenomena like wormholes or warp drives, enabling faster-than-light travel and other advanced concepts in physics. The concept of exotic gained prominence through the work of physicist Kip Thorne in the context of wormholes and general relativity. Thorne's research in the 1980s suggested that exotic matter might be necessary to stabilize and create traversable wormholes. This idea has since been explored further in theories related to faster-than-light travel and other advanced concepts in physics.

 

[babydolla]

@emileh,

im not arguing the science is wrong, im arguing that the science is only right as we know it…

we only know what we know based on the observable world, but unknowns still exist, & its bold thoughts like these that cross the threshold into the unknown to make the unknown observable 🌻

…every aspect of science began with a bold thought…

with that said look,

the fact remains that there are objects which aren’t possessed by my (u.s government) or by any other government on the planet; that governments across the planet can no longer deny exist, & more importantly openly has no idea what they even are…

whether they’re aliens, beings that evolved along side us, demons, or xhao zecheng from the CCP has yet to be determined (openly) 💁🏼‍♀️

BUT; the fact weird objects are flying around in our skies, & coming out of the oceans whateva they are that are being documented, confirmed by governments across the world with seemingly no knowledge of what they are themselves…

means that the science as we know it, just might not be what we thought we knew; believe it ✌🏻

peace,
god-bless 🕊️🕊️

 

[emileh]

@emileh,

im not arguing the science is wrong, im arguing that the science is only right as we know it…

we only know what we know based on the observable world, but unknowns still exist, & its bold thoughts like these that cross the threshold into the unknown to make the unknown observable 🌻

…every aspect of science began with a bold thought…

with that said look,

the fact remains that there are objects which aren’t possessed by my (u.s government) or by any other government on the planet; that governments across the planet can no longer deny exist, & more importantly openly has no idea what they even are…

whether they’re aliens, beings that evolved along side us, demons, or xhao zecheng from the CCP has yet to be determined (openly) 💁🏼‍♀️

BUT; the fact weird objects are flying around in our skies, & coming out of the oceans whateva they are that are being documented, confirmed by governments across the world with seemingly no knowledge of what they are themselves…

means that the science as we know it, just might not be what we thought we knew; believe it ✌🏻

peace,
god-bless 🕊️🕊️

The science we know is based on hard evidence, and the Theory of Special Relativity which is the fundamental principle that my argument is based, on should really be a law by now. It's been tested and proven right so many times since its publication in 1905. The speed of light is an absolute universal speed limit. It cannot be reached by anything with a rest mass, and it cannot be exceeded within this universe.

If you did manage to get close to it then the time dilation consequences are horrendous. The nearer you get, the higher the Lorenz factor becomes. If you managed to reach something like 99.99% of it then your clocks would be running around 7,000 times slower than those on Earth. Think about that. A trip to our nearest star would still take you four and a bit years in your personal time, but by the time you returned, the Earth and everything on it would be at least 28,000 years older.

The special cases I mentioned that would allow effective faster than light travel (wormholes and warp engines) and the exotic matter (which, by the way, exists in theory only and has never been seen or measured) that they'd require need so much energy input that they just aren't feasible. The things we see flying around in our skies will have an earthbound solution, whether they be weather balloons, planes or artifacts produced by complex optical systems.

There are discoveries to be made in Science, but the laws and principles we understand and that I've used to argue with are universal.

 

[Soapie]

Definitely some weird **** In the ocean, but... if its coming FROM the ocean, technically it wouldn't be an alien right? Just some weird ass sea creature

 

[emileh]

Definitely some weird **** In the ocean, but... if its coming FROM the ocean, technically it wouldn't be an alien right? Just some weird ass sea creature

Exactly it'd be a terrestrial species.