Walmart shooting

[SerenityMoon]

Okay @Frombo again , if you would read to understand instead of read to rebuttal, you would understand that the FBI said that Gun ownership in the US has increased 30% in the last 20 years while violent crime has fallen 50% Which is true. And the Graph that Bread posted states that long term household gun ownership has declined. Which is also true. How can they both be correct when they seem to contradict one another? Well Its the wording that you so lovingly like to try and make fit your agenda.

I'll again explain it in simple terms. If I have 2 guns in my household and purchase 5 more for my household while you and 3 of your friends have no guns in your households and purchase none for you household. Then the number of guns purchased has increased while the number of household gun owners has decreased.

So again in saying Gun ownership in the US has increased 30% in the last 20 years while violent crime has fallen 50% is true and your statement that less guns means less gun violent crime is false.

You have yet to state a fact that can be verified or vetted.

 

[Frombo]

All of my facts can be verified or vetted. Feel free to look up any statistic or fact that I've stated.

You have have to state a fact that disproves the following: Less guns would lead to less gun related deaths. Strict gun control laws would lead to less guns. Therefore strict gun control laws would lead to less gun related deaths.

You have yet to state a fact that disproves the fact the the US is one of 6 countries that make up half of the entire worlds gun related deaths.

You have yet to state a fact that disproves the fact that by the end of today, the same amount of people will died in an incident involving a gun than in all of the UK in 2022. (give or take a very small number of deaths)

You have yet to state a fact that disproves the fact that mass shootings have tripled since 2011.

 

[SerenityMoon]

All of my facts can be verified or vetted. Feel free to look up any statistic or fact that I've stated.

You have stated none other than

Less guns would lead to less gun related deaths

Gun ownership in the US has increased 30% in the last 20 years while violent crime has fallen 50% Disproves that.

You have yet to state a fact that disproves the fact the the US is one of 6 countries that make up half of the entire worlds gun related deaths.

The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which used a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6). But the rate in the U.S. was much lower than in El Salvador (39.2 per 100,000 people), Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3), Colombia (25.9) and Honduras (22.5), the study found. Overall, the U.S. ranked 20th in its gun fatality rate that year.

You have yet to state a fact that disproves the fact that by the end of today, the same amount of people will died in an incident involving a gun than in all of the UK in 2022. (give or take a very small number of deaths)

You're comparing apples and oranges. That's like saying because the UK drive on the opposite side of the road there is less chance you will have an accident. Its simple as fewer people fewer accidents. Same as with Guns fewer people fewer fatalities.
In the United States, there are more than 30,000 deaths due to motor vehicle collisions every single year. In Britain, on the other hand, fewer than 2,000 people lose their lives in motor vehicle crashes annually. This significant discrepancy in death rates can be explained, in part, by differences in population.

 

[Frombo]

You cling to this FBI statistic like its gold lol. I've already explained how even if the statistic about gun ownership was correct, you're still not considering that violent crimes do not have to involve a gun to be labeled a violent crime.

There is no conclusion relevant to this debate to be found in the following: "gun ownership has increased while violent crime has decreased"

Someone can punch someone else and it is a violent crime. Someone can do literally more than a thousand different things to someone and it be labeled a violent crime, and not a single one of them has to involve a gun for it to a labeled a violent crime. That is an actual example of just cramming a related fact to an unrelated fact and hoping it sounds good enough to be overlooked.

To show you why this is a logical fallacy, let me show you with an example of why this sounds good to the ear, but is ridiculous.

"Apple sales have increased, while choking has gone down"

This argument actually says nothing. It is either implying that apples have had an effect on whether or not someone chokes or implying that apples have an effect on people where they are less likely to choke now that apple sales have increased. This in fact actually proves nothing, the two are unrelated. Just because someone was talking about apples, doesn't mean you can just throw in apples and call anything you say relevant. You can literally switch in the word apple for gun and choking for violent crime if you want to see for yourself how this FBI statistic isn't the zinger moment you think it is.

 

[Frombo]

Also, you can't use deaths per capita as your total for determining if the US makes up one of 6 countries that make up half of the entire worlds gun related deaths. textbook example of cherry picking, and confirmation bias. because it is an actual, undeniable fact that the US is one of six countries that make up half of the entire worlds gun related deaths. to try and skew statistics to try and say this isn't the case is an actual example of confirmation bias. you can look up any number of credible sources that will tell you this fact. it is common knowledge. you are ignoring all the available proof that comes to the conclusion you don't like.

"if you look at the math in this very specific context that takes out any factors that would prove me wrong, you can see the US doesn't actually make up one of countries that make up half of the entire worlds gun related deaths" - actual 2023 logic. lol.

and the UK example is not comparing apples to oranges. its a fact that highlights just how scary the reality is in the US.

https://www.healthdata.org/news-release/six-countries-americas-account-half-all-firearm-deaths

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health...king-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands

Those are just articles that specifically mention this. But you can look up the total numbers on any study related to global gun deaths and see it for yourself. The numbers don't lie. In fact those articles list sources for you to check the data for yourself.

I'm sure if you email them and tell them about deaths per capita they'll take it down.

 

[babydolla]

just wanted to add the 2nd amendment says the right to a well regulated militia for the protection of the free state & the right for citizens to bare arms

it doesn't just mean being armed in a well regulated milita... it's saying u.s citizens have both the right to form a well regulated milita & the right to bare arms... the keyword is AND, which implies u.s citizens have the right to both... not to mention it always also says at the end & IS NOT TO BE INFRINGED

like you know, how the first amendment is freedom of speech & freedom of the press & freedom of religion... or do u ppl just pick which ever one of these three best fits w.e sh!tty argument ur spewing at the moment????

hilarious.... ksksksksksks💦💦💦💦

 

[little cindy lou who]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/BFYLNwlsSNtcc/200.gif[/IMG] Bare ? arms

Try ...B_E_A_R ...There ... Bear ... Bear Arms ..... As In Brandish Weapons ....." Bare Arms " Is When You're Cold . 🤣

 

[little cindy lou who]

The Naked Care Bears At The Clothing Optional Beach

Had To Bear Arms And Pull Out Their Glock Nine's When The Outlaw Pervert Bears Showed Up And Ooogled Them

As They Were Bare Naked At The Time

 

[little cindy lou who]

Here We Go Again .... Monterey Park CA 12 Dead Half Moon Bay CA 7 Dead And Were Off To A Running Start In 2023

Oh Yeah Let's Keep Talking Gun Stat's ....

I'm Curious At What The Content Of Posts In This Thread Will Be After The Next Horrific Mass Shooting Event .


Makes Me Think Of That AeroSmith Song ...


Get Yourself A Cooler lay Yourself Low, Coincidental Murder With Nothing to Show, When The Judges Constipation

Goes To His Head, And His Wife's Aggravation, You're Soon Enough Dead


Fate Comes A Knockin, Doors Start Lockin, Your Old Time Direction, Change Your Connection, Ain't Gonna Change It,

Can't Rearrange It, Can't Stand The Pain When It's All The Same To You My Friend


It's The Same Old Story, It's The Same Old Song And Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaance My Friend !

 

[Radiation]

it doesn't just mean being armed in a well regulated milita... it's saying u.s citizens have both the right to form a well regulated milita & the right to bare arms... the keyword is AND, which implies u.s citizens have the right to both... not to mention it always also says at the end & IS NOT TO BE INFRINGED

Bare arms typo is funny since Republicans in Missouri made it illegal for women legislators to have their arms exposed in session. To the point, though, any "right" which is abused should be taken away.

(Also interesting to me, is the fact that Republicans always say it's a people problem or a mental health crisis, not a gun problem, and then those same Republican leaders actively vote against any legislation that would make mental health care more easily accessible... it's almost like they don't actually care about the people. 🤷)

 

[babydolla]

Bare arms typo is funny since Republicans in Missouri made it illegal for women legislators to have their arms exposed in session. To the point, though, any "right" which is abused should be taken away.

(Also interesting to me, is the fact that Republicans always say it's a people problem or a mental health crisis, not a gun problem, and then those same Republican leaders actively vote against any legislation that would make mental health care more easily accessible... it's almost like they don't actually care about the people. 🤷)

i cant spell its okie LOL

the 2nd amendment isnt being *abused* & by that logic, every amendment is abused especially the 5th & 1st amendments... so lets get rid of those too, or the entire consititution for that matter right? wrong

i dont see how its being abused when a majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens who arent mentally ill & its a minority of those who commit the gun crimes, & most of those gun crimes are committed by people with illegal firearms & or mass shooters which a large portion of didnt even own the firearm they used to commit the shooting (some but not all) & legal gun owners who respect the rule of law shouldn't have their rights infringed for what is really a problem only a minority are responsible for... last i checked, majority rules in this country

based on that, its a people problem, specifically a mentally ill people problem & i agree that when it comes to the age old gun debate that republicans are doing themselves a disservice by not voting for mental health legislation which directly will result in less mass shootings... they usually vote these down due to some clause that makes obtaining firearms harder, but if you dont have a history of severe or psychotic mental illness it wouldnt effect you... so i dont understand that either frankly since it would solve 80% of the problem... sadly nothing can be done about criminals getting them illegally which is 20% of the full issue

 

[Radiation]

i cant spell its okie LOL

the 2nd amendment isnt being *abused* & by that logic, every amendment is abused especially the 5th & 1st amendments... so lets get rid of those too, or the entire consititution for that matter right? wrong

i dont see how its being abused when a majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens who arent mentally ill & its a minority of those who commit the gun crimes, & most of those gun crimes are committed by people with illegal firearms & or mass shooters which a large portion of didnt even own the firearm they used to commit the shooting (some but not all) & legal gun owners who respect the rule of law shouldn't have their rights infringed for what is really a problem only a minority are responsible for... last i checked, majority rules in this country

based on that, its a people problem, specifically a mentally ill people problem & i agree that when it comes to the age old gun debate that republicans are doing themselves a disservice by not voting for mental health legislation which directly will result in less mass shootings... they usually vote these down due to some clause that makes obtaining firearms harder, but if you dont have a history of severe or psychotic mental illness it wouldnt effect you... so i dont understand that either frankly since it would solve 80% of the problem... sadly nothing can be done about criminals getting them illegally which is 20% of the full issue

Alright... so enforce stricter background checks for people buying weapons... enforce stricter penalties for people who buy firearms illegally... watch the black market... maybe, make mental health care (or any health care) easier to access and more affordable? But nope, Republicans aren't even attempting to do any of those things. At least do SOMETHING about this issue instead of just saying "it's a people problem" and then doing absolutely nothing at all! 🤦🤦🤦

 

[BlackLivesMatter]

The argument that it is not the guns but mental health makes me giggle. The republicants will always say this but can you see the yahoos we got in Congress pumping a lot more money in mental health? So how is the mental health thing going to work? You can not just make people not be killers? Do you start making everyone in the US do Mindfulness 1 hour a day? In fact studies have shown that some psychopaths have shown to have defective brains during P.E.T. scans. The prefrontal cortex have shown to have little to no activity during these scans. That part of your brain acts as a barrier to darker thoughts. This would be more of a medical issue. What we have to do is to identify dangerous people and take guns away from them. Having a week waiting period for completion of background checks would really help. And for God's sake take the Aks away.

 

[little cindy lou who]

The argument that it is not the guns but mental health makes me giggle. So how is the mental health thing going to work?

You can not just make people not be killers?

Do you start making everyone in the US do Mindfulness 1 hour a day?

In fact studies have shown that some psychopaths have shown to have defective brains during P.E.T. scans.
The prefrontal cortex have shown to have little to no activity during these scans. That part of your brain acts as a barrier to darker thoughts. This would be more of a medical issue.

Wow Wee You Really Depleted Some Brain Cells Putting All Of That Seemingly Thought Provoking Post Together .. Huh ...

It Would Seem That You In Fact Cannot Comprehend The Issues Of Mental Health

As It Relates To An Epidemic Of Mass Shootings By Mentally Ill Lone Shooters, And Since You Obviously Cannot Comprehend This

You Simply Dismiss It As Irrelevant ..

And Continue On Pontificating From Your Self Made Pulpit Of Self Endowed Medical Psychiatric Expertise .

 

[BlackLivesMatter]

Wow Wee You Really Depleted Some Brain Cells Putting All Of That Seemingly Thought Provoking Post Together .. Huh ...

It Would Seem That You In Fact Cannot Comprehend The Issues Of Mental Health

As It Relates To An Epidemic Of Mass Shootings By Mentally Ill Lone Shooters, And Since You Obviously Cannot Comprehend This

You Simply Dismiss It As Irrelevant ..

And Continue On Pontificating From Your Self Made Pulpit Of Self Endowed Medical Psychiatric Expertise .

Wow you are one of the most dense ******** I have ever ran across. Pray tell me of your psychological expertise. Did you take a psych course in community college? Have you ever worked in a jail? And since you have the answers tell me how you would handle the mental health crisis as it relates to mass shootings? Would you want these individuals to have access to weapons when they got mentally better? Would you use DBT, EMDR, Motivational Interviewing?

 

[BlackLivesMatter]

This started out as a troll thread but was my expression of frustration with all the mass shootings in the US. This thread has lead to a healthy discussion of gun violence. I am still awaiting Cindy Loo Poo to show me her credentials or degree in mental health. But while waiting for that this is for pro gun people, what regulations would you find acceptable? Would some sort of waiting period be okay? we had a shooting at a clinic here and the man was mad at the medications he was given for back pain. He bought an automatic weapon and ammo at the Wal Mart the day before the shooting and bought a pistol at a pawn shop the day of the shooting. If he had a week or so waiting period maybe he could of found a pain doctor to give him all the oxeys he wanted. I think it would curb impulse killing sprees.

 

[little cindy lou who]

Here We Go Again .... Monterey Park CA 12 Dead Half Moon Bay CA 7 Dead And Were Off To A Running Start In 2023

Oh Yeah Let's Keep Talking Gun Stat's ....

AND AGAIN ! .... NASHVILLE TN .... ELEMENTARY SCHOOL 3 CHILDREN D-E-A-D DEAD ... + 3 ADULTS DEAD ... + THE SHOOTER A FEMALE ...DEAD ... 7 DEAD IN ANOTHER OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE GOOD OL US OF A .... HOW MANY IS THAT THIS YEAR 2023 ??????

SORRY FOLKS BUT I AM NOT NUMB TO THIS .. I CANNOT TAKE THIS AS THE USUAL FLOW OF NEWS ....


alright ... couldn't help the caps ... ... just don't start up again with "gun statistics and gun reform" .... just don't ....

enough ... I can't ... I can't ... I CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIIT ANYMORE ! ... PHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK !!

America needs help ... mental health help ... serious mental health .....

just don't ... don't start up again with the same useless commentary about "gun control"


It's obviously what it is ........................................................................... A BIG GIANT SUPERSIZED OUT OF CONTROL EPIDEMIC OF .......



............................ MASS MENTAL ILLNESS ........ M-E-N-T-A-L-..-I-L-L-N-E-S-S ..... just sound it out .... go0ogle it ... WAKE THE PHUCK UP !





they we're just children .. little kids in elementary school ..

 

[TheDifference]

I just heard about Nashville. Very very sad 😞

 

[Radiation]

**** this ****.

 

[SerenityMoon]

AND AGAIN ! .... NASHVILLE TN .... ELEMENTARY SCHOOL 3 CHILDREN D-E-A-D DEAD ... + 3 ADULTS DEAD ... + THE SHOOTER A FEMALE ...DEAD ... 7 DEAD IN ANOTHER OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE GOOD OL US OF A .... HOW MANY IS THAT THIS YEAR 2023 ??????

SORRY FOLKS BUT I AM NOT NUMB TO THIS .. I CANNOT TAKE THIS AS THE USUAL FLOW OF NEWS ....


alright ... couldn't help the caps ... ... just don't start up again with "gun statistics and gun reform" .... just don't ....

enough ... I can't ... I can't ... I CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIIT ANYMORE ! ... PHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK !!

America needs help ... mental health help ... serious mental health .....

just don't ... don't start up again with the same useless commentary about "gun control"


It's obviously what it is ........................................................................... A BIG GIANT SUPERSIZED OUT OF CONTROL EPIDEMIC OF .......



............................ MASS MENTAL ILLNESS ........ M-E-N-T-A-L-..-I-L-L-N-E-S-S ..... just sound it out .... go0ogle it ... WAKE THE PHUCK UP !





they we're just children .. little kids in elementary school ..

You just started about gun control which you called for "just don't...don't start up again with the same useless commentary about gun control".