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If you cant read or choose not to see the opposing arguments in my rebuttal then only god can help you. They're there.
This is a debate. You should be quoting my arguments and explaining why they lack substance or point. Not just saying "its vague, im not going to address it".
 
if I have to describe to you the reasons why insane dictators killing people aren't an actual example of strict gun laws increasing gun related deaths then there is no point in trying to debate with you lol. You've been making 0 valid arguments.
 
So does anyone here have any refutations?

noun: refutation;
  1. the action of proving a statement or theory to be wrong or false.
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Again, it would be impossible to explain why what you said is wrong to you lol. If you don't see how you're logic is flawed already, theres no debating you. It would be like arguing with a brick wall. You haven't listed one specific fact
 
Chatter who doesn't realize they're talking about themselves award: @Bread.

I already nominated you, but I just wanted to remind you of your upcoming winnings. Congrats bro
 
Boba Fett said:
Lol he's giving examples of countries run by dictators 50-100 years ago, some of them even third World countries.
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100 year old facts are still facts. You yourself even said that the Constitution was written hundreds of hears ago when muskets were the predominate weapon so the age of the fact only

@Frombo you can't reject any of the facts I have given so you ignore them. Especially the ones that sink your debate.
 
I haven't had to reject any facts you've brought forward because none of them have anything to do with the actual debate lol. I've proven my point. You guys haven't proven anything.
 
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Look its Frombo debating with himself because when facts are brought forward he doesn't like to address them. I have cited many facts, multiple times times in this thread and his only argument against them is "you haven't proven nothing""youre wrong". He doesn't address or quote responses and prove with facts why the opposing side is wrong. He only repeats his same rhetoric. Frombo is a known "guest" troll in VGC and he just wants to argue and see how long he can keep this up. That's why he always has to have "the last word". This isn't a debate thread any longer as much as it is a "last post wins" thread. Has been since page 6 actually.
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I've brought forward tons of facts and I've proven my point. You guys ignored them all and haven't proven anything. You respond to facts with nonsense and expect people to continue a serious debate. Bread hasn't proven a single point.
 
Boba Fett said:
Lol he's giving examples of countries run by dictators 50-100 years ago, some of them even third World countries.
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100 year old facts are still facts. You yourself even said that the Constitution was written hundreds of hears ago when muskets were the predominate weapon so the age of the fact is only important when you quote it?
 
Frombo said:
I've brought forward tons of facts and I've proven my point. You guys ignored them all and haven't proven anything. You respond to facts with nonsense and expect people to continue a serious debate. Bread hasn't proven a single point.
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The only points you have proven are: You don't understand the Law nor Constitution. You don't understand History nor what an assault weapon is. Nor do you understand that a fire arm is like any other object and is subject to the laws of physics. An object at rest remains at rest until acted upon. A fire arm can not harm anyone with out actively being deployed. Your argument against guns is mute until you can address the social economical problems and mental stability of a people that cause gun violence. I'll state again Facts: Gun ownership in the US has increased 30% in the last 20 years while violent crime has fallen 50% -(FBI crime statistics) 32,000 die annually from firearms 60% are suicide- Of the remaining 13,000 roughly 65% are drug and gang-related. This is not a gun problem its a people problem.
 
Yeah you're right. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Take away the guns, reduce the number of gun related deaths. Its a very simple line of logic. But its so simple, and it so very much shatters gun lovers arguments, that its almost unbearable to accept.

Less guns= less gun related deaths. I know thats hard to accept. But its very simple, and very true.
 
Frombo said:
Yeah you're right. Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Take away the guns, reduce the number of gun related deaths. Its a very simple line of logic. But its so simple, and it so very much shatters gun lovers arguments, that its almost unbearable to accept.

Less guns= less gun related deaths. I know thats hard to accept. But its very simple, and very true.
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Simple fact you're over looking. Gun ownership in the US has increased 30% in the last 20 years while violent crime has fallen 50% -(FBI crime statistics)
There are between 800,000-2.5 million uses of a firearm in self-defense annually.
 
Here I have to dumb this down for our readers and address issues 1by1.

(As I've stated about 20 times in this thread)
Here are supporting facts:
  • Mass shootings account for less than 0.5% of the 25-45,000 gun violence deaths per year
  • 0.5% equates to roughly 24 mass shooting gun deaths per year
  • Of that 0.5% niche, handguns account for 75% of mass shootings
  • Of that 0.5% niche, rifles account for 25% of mass shootings.
  • Of that 25% of RIFLE shootings, an unknown but lesser amount of shootings are committed by AR15s.

Here's a chart of mass shooting deaths and injuries per year 1982-2022.​

As you can see, even including the skewed 2017(Las Vegas)Mass shooting, there has been an average of 24 mass shooting deaths per year and 38 mass shooting injuries per year.

You are telling me that we should enact strict gun control rights for 24 deaths per year on a country with a population of 330,000,0000 people?

How is enacting gun control and banning ar15s but not guns entirely, going to result in less mass shootings?
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Frombo said:
less guns= less gun related deaths. just imagine that I typed that in bold.
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That is just not true. Gun ownership in the US has increased 30% in the last 20 years while violent crime has fallen 50% -(FBI crime statistics)
Using the GunFacts.info MPS ( Mass Public Shootings )Database, which contains the 71 MPS (using the FBI definition) documented in the U.S. between 1988 and August 4, 2019, more than 85 percent of MPS have been perpetrated in gun-free zones. (Although the data set goes back to 1982, detailed information began to be documented in 1988.) These gun-free zones include 17 workplaces, 12 schools, five churches and three shopping malls.
As reported by GunFacts.info, in addition to gun-free zones, some MPS with the highest fatalities have another common factor. Defined by GunFacts.info, they occurred in “cattle pen” scenarios:
Many people in a “crowded” area (required); and
Limited exits or exit capacity; and/or
Few or no places to take cover.
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If airliners crashed in the US at the same frequency of mass shootings, with the same death tolls, wouldn't we ask "What's going wrong with planes in America?" Why, when guns are involved, is wanting to prevent further bloodshed so controversial?

I’ll rephrase your question so that it actually matches up with the problem, instead of being disconnected.
“If airliners were being intentionally crashed in the US at the same frequency of mass shootings, with the same death tolls, wouldn’t we ask “What’s going wrong with pilots in America?”
 
you realize violent crime doesn't equal gun related deaths right? someone punching someone in the face is a violent crime, and shouldn't be looped into statistics that you're using to prove why gun reform laws shouldn't be enacted.

thats like saying Ford car sales have increased and car accidents have decreased, the two have nothing to do with one another.

there was over 30 thousand people involved in gun related deaths in 2022. it doesn't matter how much of a percentage you tag onto violent crime, 30 thousand people suffered gun related deaths in the US.

so again I say, less guns= less *gun related deaths*

this is why its pointless debating people like you can bread lmao. theres a difference between a wall of text and lots of points that actually prove something, and a wall of text thats basically just a bunch of words thrown together. which is all you two have been doing lol. both of you have proven exactly 0 of your points while also using the most words.
 
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