I Have A Solution For The Horrific School Mass Shootings In The USA .....

[SerenityMoon]

Serbia just had two mass shootings in back to back days but their country doesn't have complete jackasses who purchase an AR-15, put on a MAGA hat and say "ehehe....I'm a PATRIOT!". They actually care and looked to fix a problem before it started to become a trene.

And what happens in America after every school/mass shooting? The sales of guns go up. It would be like people purchasing large quantities of fentanyl when the overdose rates go up (another problem the Republicans want to ignore and decrease funding for).

You are terrible at researching even the simplest of things.
Here's a bit of reading you should look into.

 

[Deleted member 292068]

Just because you do not understand the facts as given does not make them incorrect. And like I said your study says that 18 and 19 year olds are children. Why not include 20 yo also just to pump the numbers. If you scew the data of course you can manipulate the studies findings. The facts are its not about guns its about evil people and you just can't wrap your small mind around that.
Logically just like Newton's Law of Motion. An object at rest will remain at rest until acted upon. A fire arm does nothing with out someone using it for good or evil. I'm sorry that is just fact.

It clearly says ages 1-19, not 18-19 which was an earlier study that didn't have data on earlier ages.

This isn't just school shooting victims either but from kids who get a hold of their parents guns because they're irresponsible.

So by your logic it's evil people that seem to only exist in America, evil people Republicans feel have a right to arm themselves.

The shooter is to blame just as is the society that allowed that person to obtain the gun legally. Guns are the easiest way to take lives when you want to. No one is going to go through the hassle of planting bombs when they more than likely will either botch it or get caught. Sorry if I'm not like many gun nuts (and I'm a gun owner) on the Right who want to accept this as being a part of our culture like Chicago pizza.

The funniest people and party are loud about these "rights" being taken away from the mentally ill but had no problem seeing rights stripped of drag queens, trans people, gay people, women's reproductive rights and historically, non whites. They care more about allowing some homicidal lunatic who thinks the Mossad and Biden are monitoring them through their microwave, than giving law abiding people who are loving and want to just go about their lives, their rights.

I've had this debate all too often and had some dirt bag of a father tell me school shootings are "a part of life" and he'd rather keep things the way they are even if it meant his daughter coming home and telling him one of her students were shot or her not coming home at all. This is how bizarre and scary this whole situation is, people are putting a tool used to kill people a higher priority than people and children's lives.

The fact that you don't even agree with better gun laws, background checks and red flag laws leads me to believe it's you with the small mind who has been indoctrinated into following the hive mind/echo chamber the conservatives and NRA have been regurgitating since the early 90s. There's no logical argument for allowing people who want to kill, to legally get a gun to kill, none. You wouldn't give the keys to your car to a drunk person who can barely stand, why give a tool made to cause mass casualties to an "evil" person?

 

[Deleted member 292068]

And many things throughout the years have been abused by people and regulations were put on them, or they were flat out banned. Cocaine was once legal until the 1920s I believe. Seat belts, air bags were invented to prevent the rising car related fatalities. Warning labels have been put on items after abuse or children getting their hands on them which resulted in choking or suffocation. Anti discrimination laws were put into effect so an employer cannot refuse hiring you or fire you because of your race or sexuality. After 911, you were no longer allowed to bring anything that could be used as a weapon onto a flight.

The World is constantly evolving and so are laws and safety measures to protect society. Something written over 200 years ago when most guns were prototypes and had a slow rate of fire (yes, there were clip fed high fire rate guns but only owned by the wealthy) and took concentration and time to reload, often jamming or back firing, didn't foresee insane people running around killing people with guns that not only take seconds to reload, but often came with extended mags. They just didn't.

Sorry, I'm just not going to sit here and think that because death is a part of life that so are mass shootings.

There needs to be laws that require people to report people who make threats online, whether it be the website handing over a report or a civilian seeing it online.

- Red flags need to be taken seriously because there have been red flags in every mass shooting whether it be online or in real life and we're swept under the rug. The Colombine shooters Harris, was going to have his house search after death threats made against his ex friend, Brown. Instead the motion to have a search warrant requested to a judge, it was put on the back burner as the cops shifted their focus on a string of murders in the area. Colombine could have very well been prevent if the search was conducted.

- If you're diagnosed with PTSD, schizophrenia or any other mental illness that may make you act irrational and violent, you should get a mental health evaluation because not everyone with PTSD/Schizophrenia goes off the rails, only a small number do.

- Authorities need to take every situation seriously. There's no reason to give guns back to someone who had them taken away after making death threats.

- People who want to purchase a fire arm should get a mental health assessment and be required to take courses on gun safety, how to properly clean, load and store your gun. I wouldn't be allowed to fly an airplane without training, I'd put myself and anyone on board in danger. Guns do not come with instruction manuals, just a four page manual with a lock attached to it which tells you the importance of locking up your gun and how. I think collectively, we all know how to operate a lock and if you don't, you definitely shouldn't own a gun.

These are just off the top of my head, common sense gun laws and procedures and there definitely can be more. The only thing holding a person back from purchasing a gun is if they have a felony or an active warrant (yes, someone in my city tried to purchase a gun while he had a warrant out for his arrest. He was promptly taken into custody outside of ****'s sporting Goods. Because of HIPAA laws, you can lie about any mental illness you may have, recent psychiatric treatment or anti depressant usage in tge past year. So, all it takes to own an AR-15 is not to be convicted of a felony or have an arrears warrant..seems pretty lax, wouldn't you agree? The only guns that require more hoops to jump through are pistols and snipers, both requiring permits.

 

[little cindy lou who]

There Is No Denying That School Shootings Are Happening Frequently And That Firearms Are Used In These School Shootings

Question Is .... What Is The Answer To Stopping Them ? ........ I Opened This Thread With My Idea Of A Solution

Anybody Else Got Any Ideas For A Solution ? Meanwhile School Shootings Are Proliferating And The Body Count Keeps Going Up

..... At Least We Are Back On Topic Instead Of The Spamming And Trolling Of This Thread By Others With Nothing To Contribute

And It Wouldn't Be In The Debate Section If There Wasn't A Difference Of Opinions As To Solutions And What The Causes Are

Thank You For That @Boba Fett And @SerenityMoon

 

[Deleted member 292068]

There Is No Denying That School Shootings Are Happening Frequently And That Firearms Are Used In These School Shootings

Question Is .... What Is The Answer To Stopping Them ? ........ I Opened This Thread With My Idea Of A Solution

Anybody Else Got Any Ideas For A Solution ? Meanwhile School Shootings Are Proliferating And The Body Count Keeps Going Up

..... At Least We Are Back On Topic Instead Of The Spamming And Trolling Of This Thread By Others With Nothing To Contribute

And It Wouldn't Be In The Debate Section If There Wasn't A Difference Of Opinions As To Solutions And What The Causes Are

Thank You For That @Boba Fett And @SerenityMoon

For this situation? Stop giving the mentally unstable guns. There will probably be some shootings still but most of these people are timid, scared and wouldn't look on the black market or the streets for them.

 

[TheDifference]

For this situation? Stop giving the mentally unstable guns. There will probably be some shootings still but most of these people are timid, scared and wouldn't look on the black market or the streets for them.

It’s not that easy though. Who determines the definition of “mentally unstable”? The government? Gun sellers? That gets to be a slippery slope.

 

[Deleted member 292068]

It’s not that easy though. Who determines the definition of “mentally unstable”? The government? Gun sellers? That gets to be a slippery slope.

A trained professional and partially common sense. You don't need to be a therapist to know someone like Patman doesn't need to own a firearm, just ask @Apollo

 

[little cindy lou who]

For this situation? Stop giving the mentally unstable guns. There will probably be some shootings still but most of these people are timid, scared and wouldn't look on the black market or the streets for them.

Right .. Of Course .. But What About Going Further ... As In The Physical Security Of A School Classroom

Secure From An Armed Psychopathic Killer From Entering And Slaughtering Innocent Children ...

That Is The Reality of What We Are Talking About Here ..

How Do We Keep That From Happening In A Country Where There Are More Firearms Than People

And Can Easily Be Obtained Legally Or Illegally By Almost Anyone

What I'm Talking About Is The Physical Security Of American Classrooms

It’s not that easy though. Who determines the definition of “mentally unstable”? The government? Gun sellers? That gets to be a slippery slope.

I Should Think That Would Be A Board Of Appointed Psychiatrists

Over Seeing A Program For The Mental Evaluations Of Individual Firearms Purchasers

 

[Deleted member 292068]

Right .. Of Course .. But What About Going Further ... As In The Physical Security Of A School Classroom

Secure From An Armed Psychopathic Killer From Entering And Slaughtering Innocent Children ...

That Is The Reality of What We Are Talking About Here ..

How Do We Keep That From Happening In A Country Where There Are More Firearms Than People

And Can Easily Be Obtained Legally Or Illegally By Almost Anyone

What I'm Talking About Is The Physical Security Of American Classrooms


I Should Think That Would Be A Board Of Appointed Psychiatrists

Over Seeing A Program For The Mental Evaluations Of Individual Firearms Purchasers

There is a counter measure being put into schools. There is a large wall that is bullet proof and folds out into a room that keeps the kids inside. Of course Republicans don't want to fund it, they just want to hire more security which will not prevent kids from dying and also, you don't know if say, 15 years of doing security for a school, an active shooter is on school grounds and they freeze up, aren't ready or on the other side of the school. We take terrorist threats seriously. At the power plants, the terrorist response units run drills almost daily to keep them on their toes like at Indian Point. There's no way these guards would have the same regime. It'll take them by surprise like Pearl Harbor.

This is more effective than having more security. But of course, the solution is to arm everyone, including that weird guy standing on Grand Concourse I'm the Bronx selling plastic flowers to people stuck at a traffic light.

Bulletproof Classroom 'Safe Room' for Mass Shootings Doubles As Whiteboard, 'Calm Cottage' Reward Space for Good Students

"The teachers said the kids actually call it the 'Calm Zone,' and they actually call it the 'Calm Cottage' now."

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[little cindy lou who]

There Is A Word I Find Relevant To This Subject Matter .."GREED" ..

The Greed Of American Arms Manufacturers To Value The Billions In Profits From The Manufacturing And Selling Of High Powered

Firearms To The American Populace Over The Horrific Mortality Rates From Gun Violence In The USA ...

Just Like The Greed Of American Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Of Opioids And The Billions In Profits That Brings In

Over The Mass Deaths From Overdoses In The USA In The Ongoing Opioid Crisis That Is Also Happening Now

The Billions In Profits That Gets Dispersed Into The Gun Lobbyists, The NRA And The Pharmaceutical Lobbyists

And Eventually The Political Campaigns Of American Politicians That Can Create Legislation That Could Solve These Problems

But The Greed Factor Overrules That .... Money Talks ....Meanwhile ..

The Body Counts In Both The Mass Shootings Crisis And The Opioid Crisis Goes Up .

 

[little cindy lou who]

There is a counter measure being put into schools. There is a large wall that is bullet proof and folds out into a room that keeps the kids inside. Of course Republicans don't want to fund it, they just want to hire more security which will not prevent kids from dying and also, you don't know if say, 15 years of doing security for a school, an active shooter is on school grounds and they freeze up, aren't ready or on the other side of the school. We take terrorist threats seriously. At the power plants, the terrorist response units run drills almost daily to keep them on their toes like at Indian Point. There's no way these guards would have the same regime. It'll take them by surprise like Pearl Harbor.

This is more effective than having more security. But of course, the solution is to arm everyone, including that weird guy standing on Grand Concourse I'm the Bronx selling plastic flowers to people stuck at a traffic light.

Bulletproof Classroom 'Safe Room' for Mass Shootings Doubles As Whiteboard, 'Calm Cottage' Reward Space for Good Students

"The teachers said the kids actually call it the 'Calm Zone,' and they actually call it the 'Calm Cottage' now."

www.vice.com

Perhaps Bank Vault Type Security Of A School .. Where Entry Is Only Possible For Those Authorized To Enter ...

Seems Like That Reality Is Where We Are Now

 

[TheDifference]

I know it’s hard not to overreact when you are talking about the murder of innocents (especially children) but militarizing our schools (approx 100,000 schools x 5 military personnel = 1/2 million guards) or making schools like bank vaults (maybe you were joking) don’t seem like realistic options. It’s probably going to take multiple approaches and also both sides of the gov to come together and agree on certain things. And that might be the hardest thing to achieve. Because no matter what the solution is it’s going to come down to spending money.

Hopefully advancing technology can play a role (advanced facial recognition, high tech scanning, etc.)

 

[little cindy lou who]

I know it’s hard not to overreact when you are talking about the murder of innocents (especially children) but militarizing our schools (approx 100,000 schools x 5 military personnel = 1/2 million guards) or making schools like bank vaults (maybe you were joking) don’t seem like realistic options. It’s probably going to take multiple approaches and also both sides of the gov to come together and agree on certain things. And that might be the hardest thing to achieve. Because no matter what the solution is it’s going to come down to spending money.

Hopefully advancing technology can play a role (advanced facial recognition, high tech scanning, etc.)

Whatever The Solution Is ... It Has To Be Implemented With All Due Immediacy ..

Otherwise I Fear That Society Will Submit To An Emotional And Mental Numbing Of Acquiescence Of This Horrific Reality ...

And Monetary Cost Involved Whatever That Is .. I'm Certain American Society Will Accept It As It Pertains To The Lives Of America's Future

... It's CHILDREN .

 

[Deleted member 292068]

I know it’s hard not to overreact when you are talking about the murder of innocents (especially children) but militarizing our schools (approx 100,000 schools x 5 military personnel = 1/2 million guards) or making schools like bank vaults (maybe you were joking) don’t seem like realistic options. It’s probably going to take multiple approaches and also both sides of the gov to come together and agree on certain things. And that might be the hardest thing to achieve. Because no matter what the solution is it’s going to come down to spending money.

Hopefully advancing technology can play a role (advanced facial recognition, high tech scanning, etc.)

So just have kids piss in litter boxes as they pray that the active shooter doesn't breach the classroom door with their firearm? You act like atomic bomb drills weren't conducted in schools during the 50s. I think it should be used as a method. More guards doesn't help and even with gun control, there's still the chance of a loser getting a hold of a gun to target schools.

I'd rather us spend money on this country than the billions sent to...say, Israel so they can protect themselves from counter attacks on them from their tyranny against Palestine. Cut military funding too because we have a whole damn junkyard of vehicles that were bought for with tax dollars that not only were never used but never will be.

The party that claims to care about children's lives, only care about them when they're inside of the womb.

 

[little cindy lou who]

I know it’s hard not to overreact when you are talking about the murder of innocents (especially children) but militarizing our schools (approx 100,000 schools x 5 military personnel = 1/2 million guards) or making schools like bank vaults (maybe you were joking) don’t seem like realistic options. It’s probably going to take multiple approaches and also both sides of the gov to come together and agree on certain things. And that might be the hardest thing to achieve. Because no matter what the solution is it’s going to come down to spending money.

Hopefully advancing technology can play a role (advanced facial recognition, high tech scanning, etc.)

In 1968 America Had 1/2 Million Military Personnel In South Vietnam .. And For What ? ..

Fighting North Vietnam A Country That Never Attacked Us And Was Never A Threat To US Security And We Lost 59,000 American Lives

In That War Eventually Evacuating And letting North Vietnam Overrun South Vietnam

So In Light of That ...1/2 Million Marine Guards Protecting American Schools Does Not Seem Unrealistic

And No I was Not Joking About Hardening The Physical Security Of Schools To A Bank Vault Type Security

As Pertaining To Authorized Use Of Entry

 

[Deleted member 292068]

In 1968 America Had 1/2 Million Military Personnel In South Vietnam .. And For What ? ..

Fighting North Vietnam A Country That Never Attacked Us And Was Never A Threat To US Security And We Lost 59,000 American Lives

In That War Eventually Evacuating And letting North Vietnam Overrun South Vietnam

So In Light of That ...1/2 Million Marine Guards Protecting American Schools Does Not Seem Unrealistic

And No I was Not Joking About Hardening The Physical Security Of Schools To A Bank Vault Type Security

As Pertaining To Authorized Use Of Entry

It is unrealistic. That was a police action that saw profit in return. We don't need more security at schools. Mass shooters will just find another venue.

 

[little cindy lou who]

It is unrealistic. That was a police action that saw profit in return. We don't need more security at schools. Mass shooters will just find another venue.

If The "Other Venue" Is Not Schools And Children Being Targeted Then It's Not Unrealistic ..

Yeah Vietnam Was A Cold War "Police Action" And The "Profit Return" Being Billions In Dollars For The Defense Industry ..

In American Firearms Industry It's Billions In Profits Selling High Powered Firearms To The American Populace

"We Don't Need More Security At Schools" .... Really ? ... Then What Is Going To Stop These Mass Shootings At Schools ?

 

[SerenityMoon]

@Boba Fett So 18 and 19 year olds are children? Think again Why not include 20 year olds and say you're an adult at 12. The study says children not young adults adolescents or even teens. Children.

This isn't just school shooting victims either but from kids who get a hold of their parents guns because they're irresponsible, you say? Exactly. Then hold the parents responsible Not the tool.

No one is going to go through the hassle of planting bombs when they more than likely will either botch it or get caught.
Timothy McVeigh enough said.

these "rights" being taken away from the mentally ill but had no problem seeing rights stripped of drag queens, trans people, gay people, women's reproductive rights and historically, non whites.
No one said a thing about not keeping fire arms out of the hands of the mentally ills hands. And what rights have the Drag Queens, LGBTGIA+ or women's reproductive rights (to only non white's) have been lost?

The fact that you don't even agree with better gun laws, background checks and red flag laws leads...
I never said I didn't agree with any laws. I'd be the first to grand stand and back and enforceable law that would save lives. But since there are already over 3k Federal Gun Laws and 22K State Gun Laws that haven't stopped it yet, regulating more laws only target those that follow the law. You want to target AK's and those fire arms like it talking about making things safer. When in reality Hand Guns far out number the Homicide rate of AR style weapons. You can't even target the right tools.

Something written over 200 years ago when most guns...
Apply this concept to all the amendments and your 1st amendment wouldn't cover the internet or television. the 4th amendment wouldn't cover your car. And you were worrying about Drag Queens and LGBTQIA+ rights. Talk about hurting the women's and feminists movements.

 

[SerenityMoon]

Sorry, I'm just not going to sit here and think that because death is a part of life that so are mass shootings.
Then you should go after the same laws for motor vehicles. I mean IF you are concerned about saving lives.

Red flags need to be taken seriously because there have been red flags ...
Yes they should but the 5th amendment covers that. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for...

own an AR-15 is not to be convicted of a felony or have an arrears warrant.
This is close to correct because a person that isn't a felon still has the RIGHT to bear arms.

The only guns that require more hoops to jump through are pistols and snipers, both requiring permits.
You can't even define what an Assault Rifle is and now you want to try and label a "sniper" rifle? Please.

 

[SerenityMoon]

@little cindy lou who
Question Is .... What Is The Answer To Stopping Them ?
That ma'am is the million dollar question. Lets start with education. Teaching the value of life. Teaching gun safety. removing the taboo from fire arms. Then move on to social economical issues plaquing the country. Give people a reason not to take up arms against another. And then address the mental situation in the country. Teach people how to look after one another how to treat one another like they are human.

Right .. Of Course .. But What About Going Further ... As In The Physical Security Of A School Classroom. This is a good start. The United States sends billions of tax dollars to other countries for their "security" this could easily be implemented. Schools and other gun free zones are targeted because they are soft targets. You never hear of them attacking a police station or gun show. Even Military bases at least inside the US boarders are mostly gun free zones. You aren't allowed to carry your personal owned weapon on base.

So In Light of That ...1/2 Million Marine Guards Protecting American Schools Does Not Seem Unrealistic
That would be a logistical night mare and the cost would be too extreme. Maybe local law enforcement start a new division or use and retrain the school resource officers that already are in schools. Or at least they are here in backwards Louisiana. School Resource Officers (SRO) are sworn law enforcement officers with arrest authority and additional specialized training for collaboration with school.

@Boba Fett Yes everyone that commits a Mass Shooting is mentally Ill. whether they were when they purchased the weapon or not. Once they start blatantly shooting people they are Mentally Ill. A trained professional and partially common sense. You don't need to be a therapist to know someone like Patman doesn't need to own a firearm, just ask @Apollo. There are laws already in place for this and they are not Gun Laws.