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Name one good reason Mods need to log in as guests or alt accounts.
Pro tip: you cant

There is no reason a MOD needs to log in as a guest to observe chat. MODS logging in as anything other than their mod account should be fired.

Doing his would cut back on MOD trolling and maximize Moderating.

"Ghost moderating" is a thing reserved for the admin. Not MODS. Having MODS in the user panel is proven to cut back on people breaking rules.

Not only to MODS log in as guests to troll other users but they also log in as a guest to avoid having to moderate. This is not helpful to the room.

This needs to end NOW.
 
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Heathen2002 said:
Using a guest account as a mod also allows you to monitor new mods. They are going to make mistakes, and as an experienced mod you can't really train a new mod completely unless they makes mistakes.

There is several reasons why a MOD will use a guest account, some nefarious, most are not.

Just like you @Elroy2017k , answer is as clear as mud
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This guy posts these sh!t threads just to be argumentative. I’m waiting for his next post. Prove the sky is blue. And he’ll argue it’s green 🙄
 
Heathen2002 said:
yeah I know, and there are a lot of good people here volunteering for the right reasons and have enough dramas with the site owners without sh!t smears like this trying to dirty their work as well.
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Yup! A lot of good people volunteer time out of their personal lives to do a mostly thankless job. Smearing them because whiners are held accountable for their actions is simply childish which is what most complaints are. Of course there have been bad mods and admins just like there are bad cops out there. But most are trying to do a good honest job.
 
LostCause. said:
I was answering a question and I felt an example would provide a better explanation. If you have an issue with what another mod said, I suggest you address it with them instead of using your bold capital letters towards me. For the sake of conversation though and continuing with my prior example, yes, investigating ******** can be targeted and can lead to bans. Because I mod a 18+ room, I'm substantially less likely to ask the age of a 55 year old chatter who has their age on their profile and profile picture to match. I'm far more likely to ask the age of someone who has "teen" or "boy" or "young" in their name but no age on their profile. With 1000 ******** at any given time, not targeting efforts would be a waste of time and badgering someone about their age who clearly is of appropriate age for the room might actually be harassment.


Double logging involves having more than one account actively logged into a room at the same time. If a staff member is on an alternate guest or registered account, they should be logged out of their staff account as to avoid this.
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I did address your comment by making a response to you. Just like your prior ALDIS example you failed to recognize mine. You mod a room with 1000 users spamming CP links and porn ography 24hours a day. When do you have the time to actively entrap people as "undercover detective". Youre telling me you actively targetting a few profiles and waiting for a response is more beneficial than moderating the chat with 1000 users?

Creed101 said:
I remember when I’m modded video chat the second go around. @Coyo my boss told me you can login as a guest as long as there’s two mods present in the room. If there’s only one you have to login and help out. I helped out in a much smaller room now, so there’s no point in me logging in as a guest.
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The only point is to target and harass other people. But what mod is going to say it
Heathen2002 said:
Using a guest account as a mod also allows you to monitor new mods. They are going to make mistakes, and as an experienced mod you can't really train a new mod completely unless they makes mistakes.
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You are not an admin. You have 0 responsibility to monitor new mods and are undermining the admins role. Mistakes will happen and you can advise them on what mistakes they are making but monitoring them shouldnt and isnt your job. Its the admins. Furthermore new mods arent chosen every week. You are trying to justify ghosting for a process that takes two weeks out of the year to get a hang of.
Heathen2002 said:
There is several reasons why a MOD will use a guest account, some nefarious, most are not.

Just like you @Elroy2017k , answer is as clear as mud
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So you agree MODS can and will use guest accounts for nefarious reasons. Neferious reasons that are harder to track and punish them for.

Now tell me how that is better than having a single account where their actions can always be monitored and held responsible.
Heathen2002 said:
Not always. There are a lot of mod that have just as much, if not more experience than admins. PLUS a good team will work together to help train new volunteers
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If you were the better admin you would be admin. know your role.
XRosalinaX said:
But, still. Don’t care, sounds sketchy and shìt still.
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Now you are going to be labeled a troll by chat avenue forum mods and these people will gang up on you to discredit anything you say. All for simply having a difference of opinion that doesnt paint them as the kind hearted people they arent.
DarthErica said:
Yup! A lot of good people volunteer time out of their personal lives to do a mostly thankless job. Smearing them because whiners are held accountable for their actions is simply childish which is what most complaints are. Of course there have been bad mods and admins just like there are bad cops out there. But most are trying to do a good honest job.
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Just because people volunteer doesnt make them a good person. Calling them out for their actions so they can be held accountable is not childish or whining. You dont know what good a job they are doing because you are not in all rooms observing them daily. Just like bad cops bad mods/admins need to be relieved from their duties. Otherwise you have the same crooked people "enforcing" things for their own benefit like a crooked police force.
 
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Elroy2017k said:
I did address your stupid by making a response to you. Just like your prior ALDIS example you failed to recognize mine. You mod a room with 1000 users spamming CP links and porn ography 24hours a day. When do you have the time to actively entrap people as "undercover detective". Youre telling me you actively targetting a few profiles and waiting for a response is more beneficial than moderating the chat with 1000 users?
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How I choose to spend my time responding on forums is not for you to decide. If you think insulting me is going to coax me into responding to more of your posts, you're sadly mistaken. Due to you choosing to insult me, I'm choosing for this to be my last post in this thread. You're welcome, you won't have to address any more of "my stupid." Toodle-oo.
 
LostCause. said:
How I choose to spend my time responding on forums is not for you to decide. If you think insulting me is going to coax me into responding to more of your posts, you're sadly mistaken. Due to you choosing to insult me, I'm choosing for this to be my last post in this thread. You're welcome, you won't have to address any more of "my stupid." Toodle-oo.
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You are literally responding to me by quoting what i said and directing a response to my comments. So you are less intelligent than you appear to be.
 
Elroy2017k said:
Name one good reason Mods need to log in as guests or alt accounts.
Pro tip: you cant

There is no reason a MOD needs to log in as a guest to observe chat. MODS logging in as anything other than their mod account should be fired.

Doing his would cut back on MOD trolling and maximize Moderating.

"Ghost moderating" is a thing reserved for the admin. Not MODS. Having MODS in the user panel is proven to cut back on people breaking rules.

Not only to MODS log in as guests to troll other users but they also log in as a guest to avoid having to moderate. This is not helpful to the room.

This needs to end NOW.
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I'll just add a few things . First thing people " won't " act out if there is a sitting Moderator in place . I personally feel its a good thing to have a Moderator " ghost " or have alt account to flush out the " trolls & instigators " for disrupting chat . There's no need to get rid of a Moderator for doing what they are asked to do . I'm sure most people will agree with this and for the said "few " that doesn't might mean they are all for an disruptive chat room . Last thing , I've yet to see any Moderators " troll " as you put it but , I only log into Gen Chat . That's all I had to offer , have a wonderful day .
 
MrBlunt said:
I'll just add a few things . First thing people " won't " act out if there is a sitting Moderator in place . I personally feel its a good thing to have a Moderator " ghost " or have alt account to flush out the " trolls & instigators " for disrupting chat . There's no need to get rid of a Moderator for doing what they are asked to do . I'm sure most people will agree with this and for the said "few " that doesn't might mean they are all for an disruptive chat room . Last thing , I've yet to see any Moderators " troll " as you put it but , I only log into Gen Chat . That's all I had to offer , have a wonderful day .
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These sentences contradict each other.
If a moderator is in chat then nobody breaks rules.
If a moderator is ghosting then they are effectively moderating as well and ALLOWING people to break rules.
If they need to flush out the trolls then guess what. They need to LOG IN as a moderator to do anything. So what is the point of allowing people to break rules when you can prevent them by being present.

On the other hand. When mods are ghosting, this also allows mods to break rules under the cover of a guest account. Whether or not they do it is totally dependent on the mod. But the mere action of them being allowed to do it, is what poses the risk.

Finn2.0 said:
If you follow the rules, it shouldn’t bother you if a mod is ghosting or not because it shouldn’t affect you.
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If a moderator is truly ghosting then we arent even going to be aware that they are ghosting. However when moderators "bait" people into a reaction(like a mod has already admitted), that is targetting, harassment, trolling. When you introduce the relationships people have in chat with people they dont like, then it becomes fully utilized for abuse. Abuse thats not easily provable.

Teen chat mod- "I use my alt vip and sometimes even guest accounts in case to baiting users
 
The issue when they bait people they want to harass which also happens wich none of you want to admit.

You of all people should know that the intentions of MODS are not always good.
 
You’re suggesting moderators not be allowed to have non-mod accounts. The only person who can make that decision is CM. You can pm them and present your suggestion and see what happens. ✌🏻
 
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