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“There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Nice signature line. Do you bother to understand it? Benefits? Depends on your perspective. In deaths? In economics? How did WWII go? The U.S. was in a prolonged state of mobilization and conflict from 1941 to 1945. This effectively ended the Great Depression, built a massive middle class through industrial expansion, and established the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. In this case, the prolonged nature of the war allowed the U.S. to build an infrastructure that fueled decades of peace-time prosperity.

No benefit to a prolonged war with Iran? How about that blockade sailor? When the Strait (which handles ~20% of global petroleum) is blocked, global oil prices spike. This results in massive profits for U.S.-based energy companies, their employees, and oil-producing states like Texas, North Dakota, and New Mexico. They might view that as having benefitted.

Roughly 80% of the oil moving through the Strait of Hormuz is destined for Asian markets, particularly China. A blockade places an immense "tax" on the Chinese economy, slowing their industrial output and forcing them into a vulnerable position where they must rely on U.S.-controlled maritime security or more expensive land-based pipelines. Seems like quite a benefot to me.

You should probably understand history before you quote it.

Wartime economy is a myth. The entire world was destroyed after WW2 except us. Easy to be on top with no competition and we took a lot of German scientists captive who innovated for us too. Got us to the moon. Jet propulsion. Things like that.

But you are right about the oil. 55% of all China's oil imports comes from Iran. It's gonna raise the cost of their goods and make ours more competitive.

Also oil companies profiting off this bullshit doesn't help Americans as you can see. We have plenty of oil and they raised the barrel because of market speculation. That crap should be illegal.
 
You're so disingenuous it's laughable. I was referring to the attacks of May 5th. Not since April. Also the ones that did die I do feel bad for, but this is what they signed up for. We can't allow Iran to illegally close an international waterway. They can keep American ships out since we attacked them, but not all ships.
Do you think the date on the calendar makes a difference to the families?
One thing no family wants to be is a Gold Star family!
One thing no military wants to be part of, a funeral for a fellow service member.
One thing that trump never did was serve, he evaded the draft 4 times for "bone spurs."
Do you want to bet if his feet are looked at today, they are not there.
 
Do you think the date on the calendar makes a difference to the families?
One thing no family wants to be is a Gold Star family!
One thing no military wants to be part of, a funeral for a fellow service member.
One thing that trump never did was serve, he evaded the draft 4 times for "bone spurs."
Do you want to bet if his feet are looked at today, they are not there.

I don't care if he served or not. I don't care if he dodged the draft of a pointless war. Nobody does except people who blindly hate him like you do. Things are happening. You can be part of the discussion or be angry. It's your call.
 
I don't care if he served or not. I don't care if he dodged the draft of a pointless war. Nobody does except people who blindly hate him like you do. Things are happening. You can be part of the discussion or be angry. It's your call.
To hate someone keeps you up at night seething about them, which is a pretty harsh call. I understand his anger towards this having served for his country and survived ( I have no idea if he did/did not) nor do I care. It was about the innocent people who were killed from a madman who wants to rule the world. He is not interested in making America great again he's about how much he can stroke his own ego. Interacting in a thread is allowed for all forum users threatening with "your call" makes you look very immature and childish.
 
How I am viewed is of little importance to me or to any one.
His view that when a service member or diplomat was killed and under what name operation is what concerns me. As a Nation we have reduced ourselves to a bunch of thugs.
IMHO his view is myopic at best, and detached from reality at worse.
 
To hate someone keeps you up at night seething about them, which is a pretty harsh call. I understand his anger towards this having served for his country and survived ( I have no idea if he did/did not) nor do I care. It was about the innocent people who were killed from a madman who wants to rule the world. He is not interested in making America great again he's about how much he can stroke his own ego. Interacting in a thread is allowed for all forum users threatening with "your call" makes you look very immature and childish.

I didn't mean he shouldn't post anything. Lol. Whenever anyone posts in a public space they open themselves to criticisms. I'm talking about current events though and where this might lead.

All you guys wanna do is cry about Trump and stomp your feet. Okay I get it. I don't put much value on your criticisms because of your hypocrisy. You turn a blind eye to everything one side does and decide to hate the other side for the same crap.

I've heard people say this is the worst gas has ever been for example. Ummm does anyone not remember 5 bucks a gallon under Biden? Or that Trump is a war criminal, but it was absolutely okay for Obama to missile drone families in the middle east and when asked, "Oh i don't oversee that stuff." The survivors testified in Congress. This isn't some conspiracy theory or misleading news. I watched them talk about it. It was horrible.

Remember i voted for Obama both times and don't regret it because he was the best choice in those elections. I made fun of republicans over the birth certificate thing. I mocked that idiot Romney trying to pretend he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Lol.

The real issue here is I remember things other people forget. So it gets me in trouble.

When I say cry or join the discussion i mean you can actually talk about how this is affecting everything. Not just what you care about.

Also I'm concerned with America. Not other countries. If we back off globalism the rest of the world is not gonna have it as easy anymore. If you're from another country of course you're gonna hate Trump. You're acting in your own self interests too.
 
How I am viewed is of little importance to me or to any one.
His view that when a service member or diplomat was killed and under what name operation is what concerns me. As a Nation we have reduced ourselves to a bunch of thugs.
IMHO his view is myopic at best, and detached from reality at worse.

How many American lives have been lost since we joined NATO since you care so much about that? How many jobs have been lost to globalism? How much money have we spent on NATO?

Libertarians like me want out of globalism and NATO. Trump pissing off our allies and taking control of strategic economic and trade points is good I think.
 
How many American lives have been lost since we joined NATO since you care so much about that? How many jobs have been lost to globalism? How much money have we spent on NATO?

Libertarians like me want out of globalism and NATO. Trump pissing off our allies and taking control of strategic economic and trade points is good I think.
How many Nato Soldier's Died for us during the "War on Terror?" Over 1,000 troops from other Nato countries died.

The United states chose Globalism, as a Mater of Fact Ronald Regan began that process.

You pick and chose your narrative with out context. The reason much High Tech jobs are off shore is because the create hung amounts of Toxic chemical by products, Which the United States didn't want.

Let also talk about how the US government and The Private sector has systematically, bought has kept from developing becasue it was more profitable to stop advancements in combustion engine techknowledgy.

In some countries they get near 100 miles to the gallon and even that is less than is possible, by simply atomizing the fuel ir even just turning it to a vapor before combustion. Or three different inventors were able to create engines that could run on salt water, which only emissions were O² and sodium, both of which have value.

Everyone I have ever had a conversation with once shown the facts. Stopped and accepted we shot ourselves in the foot. Spend some time researching the US history, use critical thinking not drone responses.

Ask yourself Am I better off to day than I was just 10 years ago, you aren't. A promise every candidate campaigns on and never delivers, not for lack of trying, but because Big Oil and Big Industry who funds the elections won't all it!
 
How many Nato Soldier's Died for us during the "War on Terror?" Over 1,000 troops from other Nato countries died.

The United states chose Globalism, as a Mater of Fact Ronald Regan began that process.

You pick and chose your narrative with out context. The reason much High Tech jobs are off shore is because the create hung amounts of Toxic chemical by products, Which the United States didn't want.

Let also talk about how the US government and The Private sector has systematically, bought has kept from developing becasue it was more profitable to stop advancements in combustion engine techknowledgy.

In some countries they get near 100 miles to the gallon and even that is less than is possible, by simply atomizing the fuel ir even just turning it to a vapor before combustion. Or three different inventors were able to create engines that could run on salt water, which only emissions were O² and sodium, both of which have value.

Everyone I have ever had a conversation with once shown the facts. Stopped and accepted we shot ourselves in the foot. Spend some time researching the US history, use critical thinking not drone responses.

Ask yourself Am I better off to day than I was just 10 years ago, you aren't. A promise every candidate campaigns on and never delivers, not for lack of trying, but because Big Oil and Big Industry who funds the elections won't all it!

Here we go. Now this exactly what I was talking about. We're not so different. 1rst the war on terror is not the only war we fought for NATO. We became the world police and it needs to stop. I completely agree with you about the private sector and how it has hurt the technological advancement of our country. The food companies poison us and the pharmaceutical companies profit off that. They even tried to make mass incarceration a privatized industry remember in the 90's? All the private prisons that were popping up? Once it was stopped it was all over the news how them closing was going to increase unemployment and destroy their lives. Lol.

It's not just the combustion engine. If you look at the 81' to 95' cars they got almost double the gas mileage of the 96 cars and after. By simply changing the transmissions. So instead of 2k rpm at 55 mph those cars were at 1.3k-1.5k rpm at 55 mph. They got between 30-45 miles to the gallon. Also we should have had AI 10 years ago, but AMD crapped the bed with Bulldozer and because Intel didn't have to innovate they just sat on their lead doing nothing for 14 years. AMD launches Ryzen and the race is back on and technology is exploding again. Same thing with NVIDIA and Radeon. Every time Radeon advances then NVIDIA advances and we get a bunch of better tech for cheaper. What a coincidence!

I completely agree we need to fix our country. It's got so many problems. Reagan was the worst president of all time. He started this globalism crap AND the fiat system we are on now instead of the gold standard.

We absolutely shot ourselves in the foot. I agree.

Trump was just speaking at the World Economic Forum not long ago and blasted Globalism saying it has been a disaster. How it has hollowed out our country of manufacturing. You remember at the first RNC he went he got boo'd at? Everyone on the left was laughing at him about it. Well what they didn't tell you is that he was asked at the RNC, "How are you going to get campaign funds from donors if you are being so abrasive? You need that to win." His answer was, "I don't need these people." He pointed to the crowd who were all donors. He then said, "I just need the vote of the people. That's who I care about." That's when he was boo'd.

In 2016 I voted for Bernie in the primary. When he lost I finally looked into Trump and where he stood on issues. My biggest concern with that election was the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Wikileaks had released the part of the trade deal stating that corporations would have pretty much exclusive control over health, food, and environmental safety laws in every country in the trade deal. That if we hurt their profit they could sue at the World Bank over it. Hillary was unwilling to say she would veto it. Trump didn't even hesitate to say he'd veto it. Then I saw video of clips of him talking about how bad NAFTA was and why were letting China take all our jobs from the 80's and 90's. I knew that he would be the best chance to block it. I also voted for Bernie again in the primary in 2020.

Bill Clinton was the second biggest blow to our country. He finished NAFTA for Bush senior. The establishment republicans and democrats made mass incarceration worse. Him and Republicans gutted Glass-Stegall in 1998. A bill that prevented too big to fail. Bush jr piled on even more and by 2008 we had a collapse and up to that point the largest transfer of wealth in American history. We lent the banks 732 billion interest free money to bail them out. They then lent that money back to the government and citizens with interest to pay it back. And they kept all the homes of the people they tricked into reverse mortgaging. Smh.

What irritates me is everyone blames Trump for this inflation from his first term without even knowing how inflation works. So the more money we print the less valuable it becomes. Covid hit and they printed off what 2-3 trillion dollars? This was bipartisan too. Heck the Democrats wanted to print off even more money, but the Republicans said, "No. We need to see if the first stimulus is effective first." By the election republicans they were trying giving everyone who makes under 50k another stimulus round because they found they were the people who needed more help. The Democrats blocked it for political gain of course.

Had the Democrats had their way and gave every American 2k a month until the pandemic was over just imagine how bad inflation would be now.

We have become exactly what the founding fathers have feared. Exactly what they tried to prevent.

Trump is no where near perfect. People can't even begin to fathom what a 50 year mortgage will lead to. You see the world is tapped. It can only produce so much. Most of the money is locked down. They buy the best minds from universities for the private sector to keep that lead. Well now their new goal is to put the future in debt. 50 year loans become 60 years. Then 70 years. So on and so forth. At some point people's children, grandchildren, great grandchildren will have to pay off these loans. Between that and him praising the chairman of the FCC for getting Jimmy Kimmel taken off the air for that short time when the chairman abused his power threatening the deal of Jimmy's parent company is disgusting. Makes him no better than the Republicans and Democrats trying to silence all non-conformists on television and the internet.

As far as this war goes it could all be just a distraction from the Epstein files or us just doing what Israel wants, but I don't think it is. Even it if it is I believe it has potential to give us exactly what we want. With Iran's defense in tatters and too broke to buy more weapons after this and if we get the nuclear material(if it even exists because we have heard this bullcrap line before) we could indefinitely pull out of the middle east and let Israel police it. I am not a fan of Israel, but damn I want out of the middle east getting my tax dollars. I want out of NATO too. We are pulling 5k troops from Germany by the end of the year and there might be more pending. Look at how much we have spent on other countries and NATO. If we hadn't done that our debt would be extremely low.

The people of the US were TRICKED into Globalism. You are right. Now that we have seen the end result we are choosing different. Establishment politicians will never win my vote. Even if we go back to the illusion of choice that we had before Trump I will just role a d20 to see who gets my vote. State and local elections still matter so I will never stop voting. But yeah. I love that Trump is pissing off all the people I don't like. I like that he's pushing away our allies that we spend way too much money on. I am not for isolationism btw. I think if a country needs help with something and we are in a good place we can decide to help. Why do we have to pay 100's of billions a year to do it? We can trade too. Heck I think the best way to make the world better is to let people from all over the world learn here then take it back home and improve their country. Give a person a fish they'll eat for a day. Teach a person to fish they are set for life.

Everyone on this forum who is not from America of course is gonna hate my point of view. They are looking out for their own self interests and their own countries. Of course Europe has all these amazing social programs and colleges and culture. They spend so little on their defense so they got the money fund all that. No it's time they defend themselves. It's time Israel defends itself too.

We need to fix the problems with America before we help other countries. This war could be a step towards that. It might not be, but it is lining up with a lot of other things this administration is doing for what appears to be a big shift away from NATO and Globalism.

P.S. We have lost a lot more soldiers in wars for NATO than just the war on terror. This crap has been going on for 80 years.
 
And what i can not stand about you is your completely lack of a bases in historical events. Study a history book or a dozen, and then when you post something to reality other than current events I will remove your ignore.
Enjoy the crickets.
 
And what i can not stand about you is your completely lack of a bases in historical events. Study a history book or a dozen, and then when you post something to reality other than current events I will remove your ignore.
Enjoy the crickets.

I just gave you how many historical facts? Lol. Anyway if blocking me gives you peace of mind it's for the best.
 
Do you think the date on the calendar makes a difference to the families?
One thing no family wants to be is a Gold Star family!
One thing no military wants to be part of, a funeral for a fellow service member.
One thing that trump never did was serve, he evaded the draft 4 times for "bone spurs."
Do you want to bet if his feet are looked at today, they are not there.
By your logic we'd never go to war because of the sentiments of the families of those that served. War has casualties. It sucks. We try to minimize them. At this rate we've lost more to training accidents in a year than an Iran war. Relax Francis.

He's probably ignoring me since he can't mount a logical counter to what I say.
 
By your logic we'd never go to war because of the sentiments of the families of those that served. War has casualties. It sucks. We try to minimize them. At this rate we've lost more to training accidents in a year than an Iran war. Relax Francis.

He's probably ignoring me since he can't mount a logical counter to what I say.

Well the strange part is he asks for proof. I give it. Then he blocks me. Anyway I see the UAE is now attacking Iran. Lol.
 
I didn't mean he shouldn't post anything. Lol. Whenever anyone posts in a public space they open themselves to criticisms. I'm talking about current events though and where this might lead.

All you guys wanna do is cry about Trump and stomp your feet. Okay I get it. I don't put much value on your criticisms because of your hypocrisy. You turn a blind eye to everything one side does and decide to hate the other side for the same crap.

I've heard people say this is the worst gas has ever been for example. Ummm does anyone not remember 5 bucks a gallon under Biden? Or that Trump is a war criminal, but it was absolutely okay for Obama to missile drone families in the middle east and when asked, "Oh i don't oversee that stuff." The survivors testified in Congress. This isn't some conspiracy theory or misleading news. I watched them talk about it. It was horrible.

Remember i voted for Obama both times and don't regret it because he was the best choice in those elections. I made fun of republicans over the birth certificate thing. I mocked that idiot Romney trying to pretend he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Lol.

The real issue here is I remember things other people forget. So it gets me in trouble.

When I say cry or join the discussion i mean you can actually talk about how this is affecting everything. Not just what you care about.

Also I'm concerned with America. Not other countries. If we back off globalism the rest of the world is not gonna have it as easy anymore. If you're from another country of course you're gonna hate Trump. You're acting in your own self interests too.
The whole world hates Trump that has not changed in the since his last time in office, creating wars and throwing tantrums on shitter and then barracking himself in and throwing a fit because he was voted out.

I am not American (thank god (not in a derogorty term) I can safely send my children to school without having to worry about them being shot, living in a safe environment without the fear of some person holding me up for my tv, I have access to safe effective healthcare which doesn't put me in the poor house or have no access as I do not have funds to do so. I am able to afford medications and so is my fellow Australian. Those who are less fortunate than myself has access to support when they are unable. We have programs who assist our elderly, disabled and armed forces at the end of their tenure.

We are led (no politician is perfect) by a prime minister who is not about making money off the Australian public , who is not running around breaking international law for his own benefit then screaming on shitter daily what a great human and has the whole world under control. Our prime minister is not embroiled in a peadofile ring while hiding the facts, treats women as second class citizens and exploits his own daughter with vile sexual comments. A prime minister who behaves like a child when not getting his own way.

These are the reasons I dislike Trump nothing to do with being either democrat or republican its his over inflated ego and makes a laughing stock out of the American people but as most are way too embroiled in the ego can not see two foot in front of them
 
The whole world hates Trump that has not changed in the since his last time in office, creating wars and throwing tantrums on shitter and then barracking himself in and throwing a fit because he was voted out.

I am not American (thank god (not in a derogorty term) I can safely send my children to school without having to worry about them being shot, living in a safe environment without the fear of some person holding me up for my tv, I have access to safe effective healthcare which doesn't put me in the poor house or have no access as I do not have funds to do so. I am able to afford medications and so is my fellow Australian. Those who are less fortunate than myself has access to support when they are unable. We have programs who assist our elderly, disabled and armed forces at the end of their tenure.

We are led (no politician is perfect) by a prime minister who is not about making money off the Australian public , who is not running around breaking international law for his own benefit then screaming on shitter daily what a great human and has the whole world under control. Our prime minister is not embroiled in a peadofile ring while hiding the facts, treats women as second class citizens and exploits his own daughter with vile sexual comments. A prime minister who behaves like a child when not getting his own way.

These are the reasons I dislike Trump nothing to do with being either democrat or republican its his over inflated ego and makes a laughing stock out of the American people but as most are way too embroiled in the ego can not see two foot in front of them

This thread is for talking about the Iran war and how things are progressing with that. The crying about Trump thread is the other one. Lol. This is the last time I will be responding to Trump hate outside threads that are for crying about Trump and allowing myself to get side tracked by it. 100% annoying. 0% enlightened.
 
This thread is for talking about the Iran war and how things are progressing with that. The crying about Trump thread is the other one. Lol. This is the last time I will be responding to Trump hate outside threads that are for crying about Trump and allowing myself to get side tracked by it. 100% annoying. 0% enlightened.
Yes thought as much unable to negate the truth
 
nothing to cry about it is just preventive maintenance , a government can only threaten the USA for so long, while making materials for nuclear weapons before a president finally gets the stones to do something about it. The only mistake to be made regarding the conflict with the Iranian government, would be to not take out their entire regime , leaving those insane Islamic extremists in place to terrorize their own citizens , and slowly rebuild their power to get back to right to threatening the USA, would be a giant mistake. All the " negotiating " by what ever is left of the Iranian regime is nothing but stalling for them to figure out who is really in charge and what can they do to keep their power and rebuild to come back again, they wont learn anything it will be nothing but revenge seeking.

pretend at the least, that the government of Iran had no nuclear weapon intentions, and had no facilities with the capacity to make nuclear weapons and pretend they were a dirt poor country with no oil. The government of Iran slaughtered mercilessly their own citizens who protested against them. And even if it was just one person who died at the hands of simple protest against their government, and died at the direction and hands of said government, that is enough justification to have that government removed from power. For me anyhow.

Kim Jung Un and his line would have been eradicated had it not been for the backing of China and gaining Nuclear Weapons. Kim Jung Un and his family are insane and have done far worse to their citizens and the world lets it go because they have Nuclear Weapons, and they dont want to tangle with China.

Mean while what happens with Russia and Ukraine, nothing, why, Because Russia has Nuclear Weapons.

But hey, put it like this, if people love the government of Iran so much, and it breaks their heart to see what is going on, you should pack your **** and go to Iran and fight for the Iranian government. Because pissing here online where ever your free ass is sitting, isnt going to change anything.

An if you hate the oil industry so much, and how the evil empire of America is taking all the worlds oil, those people could at least do their part to not be apart of the problem ,and stop using any form of oil in their life, at a minimum stop driving gas driven cars and go all electric and then figure out how to generate electricity while not using coal or oil. including in ones home.

No one is forcing anyone to stay in America, please if anyone hates America so much you are losing sleep over it at night, and every 4 - 8 years when your party loses an election and you have to go riot and protest in the streets and lose your brain over a lost election, maybe it is just time to pack your **** and leave the country and go to China or North Korea; somewhere, where your level of common sense prevails.

An for those outside of America that hate us so much, well, tough titty, sucks to be you. Hate all ya want but maybe think twice if ya wana shout death to America and fund terrorist groups, and work decades on a nuclear weapons program.
 
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