Are people born gay or are they made

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I don't care what happens behind "closed doors".
That doesn't mean I have to accept other people's beliefs. You say to any LGBT person something that goes against their beliefs and you are labeled a homophobe.
And that response is why I wholeheartedly agree. The latter especially but again it’s also expected that because you are of the GLB you must be an ally to the rest. No. But that’s another story. Been there.

LostCause also didn’t say you had to accept either; I interpreted probing questions.

But idk I’m only glb I guess 🤷‍♂️
 
did you actually read my post? i said no because the body isn’t inherently attuned towards sexuality as sexuality is not necessary for survival at infancy and so on. but i also claimed it isn’t a choice either because when sexuality starts to affect the body(puberty) it’s based on brain chemistry.
Weren't the published findings that 75-90% of homosexuality is not attributed to "gay genes".

There is no doubt. You are born gay.
Soundz just basically said youre born asexual
On page 4.
And that response is why I wholeheartedly agree. The latter especially but again it’s also expected that because you are of the GLB you must be an ally to the rest. No. But that’s another story. Been there.

LostCause also didn’t say you had to accept either; I interpreted probing questions.

But idk I’m only glb I guess 🤷‍♂️
You and @babydolla are the only LGB people I've seen call out gays hypocrisy. Everyone else just circlejerks because they don't like me .
 
Weren't the published findings that 75-90% of homosexuality is not attributed to "gay genes".


Soundz just basically said youre born asexual
On page 4.

You and @babydolla are the only LGB people I've seen call out gays hypocrisy. Everyone else just circlejerks because they don't like me .
That’s what it really boils down to, right? You want to be liked, so you post edgy threads. Get real man. This isn’t a popularity contest and this isn’t really the place to make friends. There’s a reason you’re here, because the majority of people on this website are socially inept and I believe I can speak for the majority of people on here, because 9 out of 10 people on this website are mentally incapacitated, so I feel it is my moral duty to act as their spokesperson. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Embrace who you are, instead of living a charade designed to hide the personality traits that cause you shame.
 
That’s what it really boils down to, right? You want to be liked, so you post edgy threads. Get real man. This isn’t a popularity contest and this isn’t really the place to make friends. There’s a reason you’re here, because the majority of people on this website are socially inept and I believe I can speak for the majority of people on here, because 9 out of 10 people on this website are mentally incapacitated, so I feel it is my moral duty to act as their spokesperson. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Embrace who you are, instead of living a charade designed to hide the personality traits that cause you shame.
You realise I expect moaning Myrtle gifs looming
 
Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.
 
Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.
Is that why your jawline is so smooth and hairless?
 
Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.
Have trouble growing beards? Tell that to the bear who railed me in my 20's as an otter with a full beard after Jiu Jitsu class.

But okay.
 
Is that why your jawline is so smooth and hairless?
It's Not me if you ask Tiana the lesson taught not to me but many others on this site. the gays learn a lot from Tiana. I wouldn't be gay anyway my family would not allow me or any of my brothers or sisters to participate in gay acts. My father stabbed my older brother for saying he liked men. nearly killed him. nobody in my family is stupid enough to want to get beat up or have the chance of getting killed for going against our families wishes.
 
Nah, there are some born but most of them are like fake gays.
Some are just junkies that will do anything for their daily fix.
Some are just smart. If you want to excel on a professional level - declare yourself as a homosexual.

Otherwise, forget it.
Nowadays if you are a straight male with a penis - you're a monster.
 
It's Not me if you ask Tiana the lesson taught not to me but many others on this site. the gays learn a lot from Tiana. I wouldn't be gay anyway my family would not allow me or any of my brothers or sisters to participate in gay acts. My father stabbed my older brother for saying he liked men. nearly killed him. nobody in my family is stupid enough to want to get beat up or have the chance of getting killed for going against our families wishes.

u might be gay
 
It matters in the eyes of the Lord because he does not want his children to live a sinful and destructive lifestyle. But God didn't create you to be a slave. Forcing someone to be your slave is not love. He chose to give you free will so you can make your own choices.

Just like the choices you make in this country can have punishment, so can the choices that will keep will keep you out of kingdom of heaven.

Isaiah 43:1: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.” - Oh, look. God loves everyone who loves him.

Galatians 3:23-29: “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.” - And another.

Matthew 22:37-40: “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Love of god and love of thy neighbour.

1 John 4:7-8: “Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.”

Don't bring religion into a debate about sexuality and gender. The whole argument is done with the minute you say "But god made us!" because if god didn't want gay people (born or chosen) they wouldn't exist, right? God is meant to be all powerful. Surely your almighty god wouldn't create something he didn't want to create.

"Twin studies and other analyses of inheritance of sexual orientation in humans has indicated that same-sex sexual behavior has a genetic component. Previous searches for the specific genes involved have been underpowered and thus unable to detect genetic signals. Ganna et al. perform a genome-wide association study on 493,001 participants from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Sweden to study genes associated with sexual orientation (see the Perspective by Mills). They find multiple loci implicated in same-sex sexual behavior indicating that, like other behavioral traits, nonheterosexual behavior is polygenic." Full article

It basically suggests that ALONGSIDE genealogy, socialisation and outward input can influence sexuality. Maybe your rebellion against the gay community will help those genes surface in your own children/family and you'll have to take a long hard look at how you treat them and your own views in terms of acceptance and 'Live and let live'
 
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Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.
As for this, I know more "masc" gays than feminine ones, and those same men aren't always tops. Some of the biggest tops I know are more feminine and it's their aversion to anal sex and the miseducation around it that does this. Also, power-bottoms are a thing.

Sexual tastes don't correlate to sexual identity. I know of unassuming, feminine, book-worm type looking women who own dungeons. I also know a very "out there" kind of man who seems like he'd sleep around who is vanilla and doesn't put out, outside of committed relationships.

Only some gay men the manlier ones have beards and have muscles. most gay men are feminine bottoms.
FFS. The lack of research on this thread is astounding. Not even just this comment.

Maybe, just maybe, you only recognise more camp, outwardly feminine men as gay men, and instead don't notice the big buff dude who is masc at the gym as gay.

I have a gay male friend, 6'2. perfect teeth, gym 5 x a week, rugged looking, and power lifts. The amount of women who will try and catch his eye when we're out is hilarious to watch... Because that man likes peen and peen only... Oh, and he's a vers.
 
In the new study, a team led by Brendan Zietsch of the University of Queensland, Australia, mined several massive genome data banks, including that of 23andMe and the UK Biobank (23andMe did not fund the research). They asked more than 477,000 participants whether they had ever had sex with someone of the same sex, and also questions about sexual fantasies and the degree to which they identified as gay or straight.
The researchers found five single points in the genome* that seemed to be common among people who had had at least one same-sex experience. Two of these genetic markers sit close to genes linked to sex hormones and to smell—both factors that may play a role in sexual attraction.
* A double-stranded DNA molecule has six reading frames. Both strands are read in the 5′→3′ direction. Each strand has three reading frames, depending on which nucleotide is chosen as the starting position.
 
Isaiah 43:1: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.” - Oh, look. God loves everyone who loves him.

Galatians 3:23-29: “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.” - And another.

Matthew 22:37-40: “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Love of god and love of thy neighbour.

1 John 4:7-8: “Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.”

Don't bring religion into a debate about sexuality and gender. The whole argument is done with the minute you say "But god made us!" because if god didn't want gay people (born or chosen) they wouldn't exist, right? God is meant to be all powerful. Surely your almighty god wouldn't createsomething he didn't want to create.
God created everything even Satan. Why would he allow evil? How do you live if not through free will? God doesn't force you to do anything. He teaches you right from wrong but allows you to choose to either. You grow in strength by resisting evil. He also shows you his love and grace by forgiving your sins. We demonstrate the character god wants by the choices we make.

Just like you teach a child right from wrong but still give him the choice to learn from his mistakes. Just like his character will be determined by what he does when no one is looking.



"Twin studies and other analyses of inheritance of sexual orientation in humans has indicated that same-sex sexual behavior has a genetic component. Previous searches for the specific genes involved have been underpowered and thus unable to detect genetic signals. Ganna et al. perform a genome-wide association study on 493,001 participants from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Sweden to study genes associated with sexual orientation (see the Perspective by Mills). They find multiple loci implicated in same-sex sexual behavior indicating that, like other behavioral traits, nonheterosexual behavior is polygenic." Full article HERE

It basically suggests that ALONGSIDE genealogy, socialisation and outward input can influence sexuality. Maybe your rebellion against the gay community will help those genes surface in your own children/family and you'll have to take a long look at how you treat them and your own views in terms of acceptance and 'Live and let live'
There is no gay gene otherwise there would be a commonality in the gay pool. Socialization and outward input sounds a lot like influence.
 
God created everything even Satan. Why would he allow evil? How do you live if not through free will? God doesn't force you to do anything. He teaches you right from wrong but allows you to choose to either. You grow in strength by resisting evil. He also shows you his love and grace by forgiving your sins. We demonstrate the character god wants by the choices we make.
And this is what you choose to do with your free will? Gay bash for the sake of gay bashing on an online forum? Eeeeshhh. I'm not sure god would approve of such life choices. Not very much love for thy neighbour in this paragraph.

And you're correct. If we go off the oldest work of fiction in history God did create evil. By abandoning his son. I wonder if Satan was maybe a little gay and that's why he was abandoned. No. Wait. It was for a lesser reason. No wonder the bible following folk have so many issues. Their chosen father and ruler is an abandoner. Can you tell me why gays are so evil in the eyes of religion when God also allows children to suffer cancer but you don't curse that out? Isn't there bigger issues to take up with your creator than someone liking the D? What about the same God impregnating a 14 year old? Paedophilia is wrong in modern law, but the bible said it was okay. The world learns, changes, and progresses. You can't just pick and choose SOME. You either have to be totally open to the bible having things wrong, or you have to admit a lot of things that by modern standards would make every religious people very, very criminal.

Add to the point, how many religious men watch female on female porn. How many make a joke (that's not really a joke) to their partners about threesomes and experimenting with women. It's only an issue when it's man on man, it seems. Weird that.

Just like you teach a child right from wrong but still give him the choice to learn from his mistakes. Just like his character will be determined by what he does when no one is looking.
And just like you can give people a bible and let them see that some of what it condoned is wrong in a modern society. Paedophila, eating anything that bleeds (better go vegan, guys!), women not speaking and having to cover their hair. What about dashing a baby's skull open for happiness? Psalm 137:9, I do believe.
There is no gay gene otherwise there would be a commonality in the gay pool. Socialization and outward input sounds a lot like influ
I gave you science. You gave me nothing.

I can't debate where there is no debate to be had. Time for you to loop back and read my first two sentences of this reply again, eh.
 
In the new study, a team led by Brendan Zietsch of the University of Queensland, Australia, mined several massive genome data banks, including that of 23andMe and the UK Biobank (23andMe did not fund the research). They asked more than 477,000 participants whether they had ever had sex with someone of the same sex, and also questions about sexual fantasies and the degree to which they identified as gay or straight.
The researchers found five single points in the genome* that seemed to be common among people who had had at least one same-sex experience. Two of these genetic markers sit close to genes linked to sex hormones and to smell—both factors that may play a role in sexual attraction.
* A double-stranded DNA molecule has six reading frames. Both strands are read in the 5′→3′ direction. Each strand has three reading frames, depending on which nucleotide is chosen as the starting position.
There is no gay gene.
There are genes that contribute to sexuality but there is no gene that says this person is chosen to be gay.

The study you cited did not even ask the participants about what their sexual preference was, only their sexual behavior.

Since everyone here argues that sexuality can change willy nilly.

Not only but it also concluded that genetic twins often have completely different sexual preferences.
 
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