Are people born gay or are they made

[Bread.]

Whelp I know he’s trolling for a response….

but if it’s all gods plan, and he knows the beginning and then I would say destiny would assume their sexuality from the start… so born gay.

In psychology we went over a study that was in its youth, but there was a gene that was linked to homosexuality. More so the shape.

All in all no one comes out of the womb looking for their preferred gender, but if this develops or not, it doesn’t matter.

It matters in the eyes of the Lord because he does not want his children to live a sinful and destructive lifestyle. But God didn't create you to be a slave. Forcing someone to be your slave is not love. He chose to give you free will so you can make your own choices.

Just like the choices you make in this country can have punishment, so can the choices that will keep will keep you out of kingdom of heaven.

 

[SerenityMoon]

Reading the other posts in the thread, I do not think there is a distinction or commonality to sexual preferences and religion. Religion is a belief system and sexual attraction is a biological reaction to stimuli. You can be both gay and religious be it Judaism Protestant or Catholicism Muslim or what ever you chosen faith is.

 

[Inkandtatts]

Do you have sex with your dad? (Assuming your dad isn't gay)

Nope, but I've also not said I'm in a relationship with him like you did about your "heavenly father"

God is not a man, he is our creator. We do not worship a man we worship God

How can you be in a relationship with someone you refer to as "he" who is your creator, without it being a gay relationship?

Why isn't it appropriate to teach your children to live an ethical and moral lifestyle?

It's absolutely appropriate to teach children to live an ethical lifestyle. I would teach children to "love thy neighbour". You would teach them to worship, pray to, and beg for forgiveness from the "he" that you're in a relationship with.

God is not male. For a gay person I think you of all people would know the difference between sex and pronouns.

What gender is God? Why do you use male pronouns to refer to it?

So why are you debating it, if not that you are also a person with nothing much better to do.

Just like you, I wasn't debating anything. I was responding to your horseshit bigotry.

Do you want to see your children dying of AIDS or shooting their head off? Because that's what the data suggests of your immoral lifestyle.

The data that you probably sourced from Westboro.

You post much more gay/trans stuff on here than anyone else. It's pretty clear the purpose is because you're in the closet, probably had deeply religious parents who brought you up to believe that being gay is bad which has led to some self-loathing on your part. You use this as an outlet to vent your frustrations and the internal battle between your homophobia and revealing your true gay self. There are plenty of studies that show this and you're a classic case. Who in their right mind goes around an internet chat room guessing the sexuality of the members there and making a graphic on it other than someone that has a deep-rooted attraction to non-heterosexuals.

It matters in the eyes of the Lord because he does not want his children to live a sinful and destructive lifestyle. But God didn't create you to be a slave.

The Lord that you claim isn't male but you refer to as "he", who has children - and as you banged on about in another thread, children can only be created by males and females. You can't even be consistent

#MasturbatorNotMasterDebater

Edit: Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40 Bread. You have no chance of getting into that Kingdom of Heaven you refer to. Straight to hell for you, my guy

Edit2: I found Bread's gay crush. The father he refers to is none other than David Prowse. Good on you, Bread. He's not my type but I can see why he'd be yours

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[Bread.]

I would lean to believing that people are born in to their sexual preferences. Whether that is to the same or opposite sex or to a certain body style or hair color or what not. I don't think that is something you just "change".

It's totally plausible to be born to a life of sin.
Ever heard the term "sins of our fathers"?

It's not your fault to be born into that life but there is much you can do to change it. You always have a choice

Reading the other posts in the thread, I do not think there is a distinction or commonality to sexual preferences and religion. Religion is a belief system and sexual attraction is a biological reaction to stimuli. You can be both gay and religious be it Judaism Protestant or Catholicism Muslim or what ever you chosen faith is.

You can't claim to be part of a belief system and not follow it's beliefs though.

I mean you can claim it but it doesn't make it true






Sexual attraction is not sexuality.

 

[MissMotive]

Did someone say daddy? 😇

Please note, this is not a confession of incest nor an encouragement for anyone else to engage. Merely being a perv.

 

[Finn2.0]

Did someone say daddy? 😇

Please note, this is not a confession of incest nor an encouragement for anyone else to engage. Merely being a perv.

Ho

 

[MissMotive]

Ho

Yeah you are

 

[Bread.]

Nope, but I've also not said I'm in a relationship with him like you did about your "heavenly father"

How can you be in a relationship with someone you refer to as "he" who is your creator, without it being a gay relationship?

Spiritual relationship is not a romantic or sexual one. That's the difference.

It's absolutely appropriate to teach children to live an ethical lifestyle. I would teach children to "love thy neighbour". You would teach them to worship, pray to, and beg for forgiveness from the "he" that you're in a relationship with.

I like how you omitted immoral out of your lifestyle. It's almost like you know that you know is wrong and immoral.

What gender is God? Why do you use male pronouns to refer to it?

God is not a male.
God is spiritual
God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

Just like you, I wasn't debating anything. I was responding to your horseshit bigotry.

The data that you probably sourced from Westboro.

The data was sourced from the CDC.
The national public health agency for the United States.

HIV Among Gay and Bisexual Men in the U.S. | Fact Sheets | Newsroom | NCHHSTP | CDC

Your Connection to the Latest HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, STD and TB News at CDC

www.cdc.gov

You post much more gay/trans stuff on here than anyone else. It's pretty clear the purpose is because you're in the closet, probably had deeply religious parents who brought you up to believe that being gay is bad which has led to some self-loathing on your part. You use this as an outlet to vent your frustrations and the internal battle between your homophobia and revealing your true gay self. There are plenty of studies that show this and you're a classic case. Who in their right mind goes around an internet chat room guessing the sexuality of the members there and making a graphic on it other than someone that has a deep-rooted attraction to non-heterosexuals.

My parents aren't deeply religious, in fact they changed religion at one point in their life.

I am not gay.

The Lord that you claim isn't male but you refer to as "he", who has children - and as you banged on about in another thread, children can only be created by males and females. You can't even be consistent

Just like he is our father we are his children.

Ever heard of a metaphor?

It implies I am spiritually his child not biologically. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about spirituality though.

#MasturbatorNotMasterDebater

Edit: Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40 Bread. You have no chance of getting into that Kingdom of Heaven you refer to. Straight to hell for you, my guy

Edit2: I found Bread's gay crush. The father he refers to is none other than David Prowse. Good on you, Bread. He's not my type but I can see why he'd be yours

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? Is this some attempt at making a personal insult. Not sure what Darth Vader has to do with this debate

 

[Inkandtatts]

God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

Spiritual relationship is not a romantic or sexual one. That's the difference.

Not sure what Darth Vader has to do with this debate

You only spiritually want to have a relationship with your father. Great.

You posted a gif of Darth Vader saying “I am your father”.

You have a real thing for fathers. Some real father/son kink going on there

Just like he is our father we are his children

^^^ and you’re in a relationship with your father. Your words, not mine.

Ever heard of a metaphor?

It implies I am spiritually his child not biologically. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about spirituality though.

Yeah. I hear it a lot actually. A lot of pedos and incest obsessed people I ban have the same argument.

78% of male homosexuals have or have had STDS. They are 23x more likely to contract an STD over a heterosexual. Their average lifespan is only 42 years old. Lesbians are 14x more likely to contract syphilis. Trans suicide rate is over 50%

The data was sourced from the CDC. The national public health agency for the United States.

I call BS. That link doesn’t give those stats at all.

 

[LostCause.]

Y'all be acting like the gay is contagious, which would mean one is made gay. But what came first, the chicken or the egg? How did the first gay get infected with the gay? Perhaps they were #bornthisway.

 

[-Luka]

Proud to be one of the 22% of gay men not to have ever had an std. nor currently have one. 💅

 

[Bread.]

Y'all be acting like the gay is contagious, which would mean one is made gay. But what came first, the chicken or the egg? How did the first gay get infected with the gay? Perhaps they were #bornthisway.

Read the chapter of Genesis.

God created only 1 man and 1 woman on earth. Therefore it would have been logically impossible for homosexuality to exist.

But the devil has always been here since the inception of man. After all it was temptation that led Eve to eat from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Satan made them believe a lie, much like Satan is still letting you believe a lie that homosexuality is ok. So every part of your life you are faced with the same decisions. To believe the truth of God; your creator, or Satan's lies.

If that doesn't answer your question.

Sin exists since the moment Adam and Eve went against God's rules and ate from the tree of knowledge. Sin can be generational(sins of our fathers). Homosexuality is a sin.

That is "how the first gay got infected with gay"

 

[Inkandtatts]

Read the chapter of Genesis.

God created only 1 man and 1 woman on earth. Therefore it would have been logically impossible for homosexuality to exist.

But the devil has always been here since the inception of man. After all it was temptation that led Eve to eat from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Satan made them believe a lie, much like Satan is still letting you believe a lie that homosexuality is ok. So every part of your life you are faced with the same decisions. To believe the truth of God; your creator, or Satan's lies.

If that doesn't answer your question.

Sin exists since the moment Adam and Eve went against God's rules and ate from the tree of knowledge. Sin can be generational(sins of our fathers). Homosexuality is a sin.

That is "how the first gay got infected with gay"

Read Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40. They both trump all that bullcrap you just spouted and any good Christian would know that

 

[Deleted member 263960]

If you really want to argue and use the bible, whatever- but comments that "homosexuality is immoral" is actually a direct attack based on orientation- which this site doesn't allow (in TOS) not to mention its a weak point because it's a circular argument.

Why don't you make a diff debate sometime arguing what is morality (and leave out protected groups)?

 

[Bread.]

You only spiritually want to have a relationship with your father. Great.

You posted a gif of Darth Vader saying “I am your father”.

You have a real thing for fathers. Some real father/son kink going on there

^^^ and you’re in a relationship with your father. Your words, not mine.

Yeah. I hear it a lot actually. A lot of pedos and incest obsessed people I ban have the same argument.

Pedos and incest obsessed people argue about spirituality with you?

Argue about metaphors?

Or

Are you trying to say I'm a pedo and like incest but don't have the balls to say it.

I call BS. That link doesn’t give those stats at all.

It's plastered all over CDC.

 

[Bread.]

If you really want to argue and use the bible, whatever- but comments that "homosexuality is immoral" is actually a direct attack based on orientation- which this site doesn't allow (in TOS) not to mention its a weak point because it's a circular argument.

Why don't you make a diff debate sometime arguing what is morality (and leave out protected groups)?

Because people are attacking me (forum rules 1 and 3) and my religion (against tos>religion>protected group) so I'm forced to respond.

Nobody here has proven or made an argument that people are born gay other than soup, serenitymoon and princessa.

I used religion to elaborate why homosexuality is a choice, on the grounds of immorality.

Im elaborating why immorality goes hand in with choices like homosexuality.

The debate is about people being born gay or made gay.

Theyre using religion to form personal attacks calling me and my religion gay (since they know I'm not). Sounds like heterophobia to me.

Not using religion to elaborate why it isn't a choice.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

Because people are attacking me (forum rules 1 and 3) and my religion (against tos>religion>protected group) so I'm forced to respond.

Nobody here has proven or made an argument that people are born gay other than soup, serenitymoon and princessa.

I used religion to elaborate why homosexuality is a choice, on the grounds of immorality.

Im elaborating why immorality goes hand in with choices like homosexuality.

The debate is about people being born gay or made gay.

Theyre using religion to form personal attacks calling me and my religion gay (since they know I'm not). Sounds like heterophobia to me.

Not using religion to elaborate why it isn't a choice.

Protected groups can't be attacked simply on the basis they are that group.

 

[-Luka]

Protected groups can't be attacked simply on the basis they are that group.

yet he is being attacked for his debate.

Being straight comes under sexual orientation also.

 

[Bread.]

Protected groups can't be attacked simply on the basis they are that group.

If me saying homosexuality is immoral is considered hate speech because it favors my heterosexuality.

Then them saying homosexuality is moral is also hate speech because it favors their homosexuality.

 

[Chaotica_x0x]

Homosexuality as defined by same sex relations has cross culturally (though with different terms, some positive and some derogatory) and trans historically and is observable behavior across many species, so it exists in nature (nature is morally neutral and abhors a vacuum, but I'll leave that as an aside). I hate the equation with hard Determinism with biology (obviously environment (which humans can change ourselves) and epi/genetics have a complex interplay, effect the social, and aren't in direct opposition), so I won't make that here.

Immutable or not, variant sexualities between adult humans consensually practiced is not morally wrong, even if by choice or by the determines of biology, or sociality.

Such behaviors are affirming for bodily autonomy and by no means violates the harm principle, even if you find it "hits weird with your disgust reflexes and gastrointestinal moral sensibilities." There's a weird false equivalency between pleasure seeking behaviors that are in violation of another's bodily autonomy and sexual practices that are just deviant from hetero norms. Christians really need to get a grip on the harm principle then maybe they can actually deal with ACTUAL groomers and predation in the church (yes even protestant) that's statistically significant and institutionally covered for.