Should pregnant girls be expelled from school?

[Fearless]

This is a formal debate. You're either for or against the motion. The motion that stands before us today is: This house believes that pregnant girls should be expelled from school.

 

[AжзMann]

I'm for it.

Though I wouldn't like to label it 'expulsion.' A more softer and understanding term perhaps? I think it's a wise move not for any other reason then the safety of the baby. There are a lot of irresponsible people in schools and accidents happen. Nothing prohibits her from furthering her education later on in life anyway. Many people do.

 

[-Luka]

Why should they be expelled from a place, which gives crap or no sex education?

 

[angelbabe]

i dont think they should b expelled from school wat would that achieve they lose there education just cause there pregnant thats just stupid we dont get sacked from our jobs if we get pregnant wats the diff u cant stop young girls gettin pregnant theres nothin u can do about it only educate and takin them out of school would only make matters worse

 

[Aaron]

I'm agenst that, because I've seen people that have been pregnant at 14, 15 and 16, and it wosn't there choice because of evil people.

My brothers g/f was pregnant at 15 and was forced out of school. I think it's unfair because she was r word

 

[Fearless]

I'm for it.

Though I wouldn't like to label it 'expulsion.' A more softer and understanding term perhaps? I think it's a wise move not for any other reason then the safety of the baby. There are a lot of irresponsible people in schools and accidents happen. Nothing prohibits her from furthering her education later on in life anyway. Many people do.

I'm for the motion, because they can always get their education elsewhere, like you said. e.g. They can get home schooled, which is a much better alternative cause they can take care of their baby while studying, etc. In most cases, the ones who fall pregnant, are the ones who are wild/loose and they party all day. So if we let them continue with school, chances are that they will fall pregnant again. Then the school and everyone else would have to deal with the problems.

Pregnant girls shouldn't go to school as it may endanger their babies' lives. What if someone trips them and they fall on their stomachs? Or what if they go into labour early? All of that have negative influences on the other students.

It should be her decision. What if it happens a few months before the end of year?
And I can think of worse things that people should be expelled for but aren't.

You're right. It's her decision to get laid. It's her decision to screw around, not use protection, and get pregnant. Therefore, she should suffer the consequences.

By expelling them, we are actually doing them a favour. Because...that way, ppl would be more reluctant to sleep around and fall pregnant, because they know that if they do, they will get expelled, which will ruin their chances of graduating, etc. However, if we don't expell them, then the girls will just keep on doing what they are doing...because they know that even if they do become pregnant, they can still carry on with their lives and still attend school. So we'll end up having more and more girls falling pregnant.

Why should they be expelled from a place, which gives crap or no sex education?

😵 I think you've missed the point of this debate Luka.

 

[Fearless]

i dont think they should b expelled from school wat would that achieve they lose there education just cause there pregnant thats just stupid we dont get sacked from our jobs if we get pregnant wats the diff u cant stop young girls gettin pregnant theres nothin u can do about it only educate and takin them out of school would only make matters worse

They can still get an education outside of school. I'm sure there are institutions ******* ppl can go and learn and still get their certificate. And there's also home-schools.

Jobs and school are different. When you're in a job, you're an adult, and most probably, you're married. Therefore, you CAN get pregnant and have a baby, it's your prerogative. But when you're in school, it's different. You're underage, therefore, you will be setting a bad example for the rest.
So we have to take into consideration everybody else that attends the school...and it would be in everyone's benefit if pregnant girls be expelled.

We might not be able to stop teenage pregnancy, but we can decrease the rates. If they know that they will be severly punished, then obviously less girls will be willing to have unsafe s.e.x, etc...which then lowers the STD transmission rates, etc.

Many ppl have left school and they've managed to survive pretty well. So it's not like we're completely destroying them.

I'm agenst that, because I've seen people that have been pregnant at 14, 15 and 16, and it wosn't there choice because of evil people.

My brothers g/f was pregnant at 15 and was forced out of school. I think it's unfair because she was raped.

In cases of r word, the victims can take morning after pills. So they won't be pregnant in any case. If they are, then it's probably a date r.a.p.e or something, which at the end of day, is still partially her fault.

 

[-Luka]

😵 I think you've missed the point of this debate Luka.

Noes. Just a rhetorical question, not a question aimed at anyone. I was thinking out loud.
I'm against it, because it's not anyones choice if she gets pregnant or not, and it's only her that's responsible for her actions, which doesn't mean her education could falter.
Then again, the teachers/headmaster etc could think it's a bad thing, because not setting a good example to younger girls.
Meh, I'm against it and thank god I can't get pregnant.

 

[true eastender]

You're saying that if a girl is pregnant then she should be expelled, which shows young ones that they shouldn't sleep around and all that, well if you are expelling the girl for sleeping around then the father of the child should be expelled too when possible, if they are in the same school like. Because otherwise the boys will still be carrying on as they do and the girls will be getting punnished for it in more ways than one.

What you said about r.ape victims is absolutely dicussting how the hell can you say something like? So some poor innocent girl of 14 walking home from school who gets abducted and all that was asking for it? YOU have a messed up mind if that is what you believe.

The education system shouldn't just abandon these girls by kicking them out, alright so it might be easier/safer if they weren't around a million other students in case of accidents, then someone should set up a programme which would basically be a centre where the girls could be taught in a 'safer environment' if you will.

Kids who are expelled in England aren't dropped totally, they useually have the option of going to a centre thing where they can carry on the basics of their education, girls who fall pregnant should have the same option.

SO there you go... :dontknow:

 

[Cold As Hell]

If they are, then it's probably a date r.a.p.e or something, which at the end of day, is still partially her fault.

WHAT A FUCKING IRRESPONSIBLE AND IDIOTIC THING TO SAY!!!

So a girl goes to a party, just with a group of friends she has known for years but there's some people there she doesn't know. She's drinking non-alcohlic drinks all night but one of them gets spiked while she's dancing. She doesn't feel well so she decides to get some fresh air, she then can't remember a thing, and all anyone else remembers is her leaving to get some fresh air. How the hell is any of this her fault?

I believe girls who get pregnant should be able to have the same rights as adults in the wrokplace who get pregnant. As has been said it isn't always their fault. If it was that girls were automatically expelled for getting pregnant then there is a danger that this would increase the amount of teenage pregnancies, because lets be honest about it about 60% of young people are just waiting for a chance to get out of school.

And another thing you haven't mentioned, what about the fathers of the foetus, are they expelled to, or this a move away from the Equal Oppurtunities females have been striving for for the past century?

 

[AжзMann]

I think some people are seriously missing the point here. I'd like to say that pregnancy is just a natural part of life but who can say its morally responsible for someone so young to take up what should be left to mature adults? Granted there are some spectacular young mothers but if they make the conscious decision to take it upon themselves to get pregnant then they should reap the consequences of there actions.

Say a girl or guy did accidently induce labor on a pregnant girl and as a result she lost the baby, thats a human life that was needlessly tossed away because a girl decides to take on a baby and an environment which could create an accident. Its just common sense to rest and stay at home during pregnancy.

On the other side of things the school simply doesn't need the thought of a girl potentially losing her baby or the extra budget they have to work on for special needs.

There is so much people just arn't thinking about when it comes to this.

 

[true eastender]

I think some people are seriously missing the point here. I'd like to say that pregnancy is just a natural part of life but who can say its morally responsible for someone so young to take up what should be left to mature adults? Granted there are some spectacular young mothers but if they make the conscious decision to take it upon themselves to get pregnant then they should reap the consequences of there actions.

I get what your sayin, but what we also have to remember is that not too long ago most girls were married off by the time they were like 16 and had children. When and how did this change come about? I dunno...........

I jus think it's all slightly madness. These girls are being punnished enough without being taken away from their friends and what they've known for all of their lives. Think how scared you must be when you find out you're pregnant, you have to tell your parents/family/friends. People look at you on the street so disapprovingly. Some girls are rejected by their families, they hav eto live on their own. They worry about money and being able to cope and all of that. They don't need what is supposed to be a support net, torn from under them.



Enough said. Shouldn't be talking about things that we personally don'tn know about. Get a teenage mother here to tell you what it's like and what she thinks then start heving your debate innit, thats the right way.

Laters!

 

[poisonXheart]

Expelling pregnant girls from school is a ridiculous notion. Just because they are young and pregnant, why should they be denied an education which might be the very thing that they need to support themselves and their child?
Also, this would lead to a girl having to choose either an abortion or her education- NOT ON.
Everyone has a right to an education. Whilst these girls are very young, a baby is a life, not a disease or a crime.
Girls who want to continue school if pregnant should be supported for their courage, not cast out.
I am not saying that every teenage girl should go get pregnant, but this is not the 1800s anymore.

 

[AжзMann]

Expelling pregnant girls from school is a ridiculous notion. Just because they are young and pregnant, why should they be denied an education which might be the very thing that they need to support themselves and their child?

There has already been alternatives suggested which pretty much invalidates this statement.

Also, this would lead to a girl having to choose either an abortion or her education- NOT ON.

Thats a very narrow minded and negligible statement CONSIDERING there is alternatives suggested.

Everyone has a right to an education. Whilst these girls are very young, a baby is a life, not a disease or a crime.

I agree that everyone has the right to an education and I agree that baby's are not a disease but in fact a life but your general logic on this isn't rational. It appears you're not thinking about the baby's life and the potential for it to die before it even has a chance to live or the school who could be potentially liable in the event of an infant death.

Thats also not to mention the trauma the girl might go through in the event of her losing her own baby.

 

[Phantom]

You're saying that if a girl is pregnant then she should be expelled, which shows young ones that they shouldn't sleep around and all that, well if you are expelling the girl for sleeping around then the father of the child should be expelled too when possible, if they are in the same school like. Because otherwise the boys will still be carrying on as they do and the girls will be getting punnished for it in more ways than one.

What you said about r.ape victims is absolutely dicussting how the hell can you say something like? So some poor innocent girl of 14 walking home from school who gets abducted and all that was asking for it? YOU have a messed up mind if that is what you believe.

The education system shouldn't just abandon these girls by kicking them out, alright so it might be easier/safer if they weren't around a million other students in case of accidents, then someone should set up a programme which would basically be a centre where the girls could be taught in a 'safer environment' if you will.

Kids who are expelled in England aren't dropped totally, they useually have the option of going to a centre thing where they can carry on the basics of their education, girls who fall pregnant should have the same option.

SO there you go... :dontknow:

i agree with every last little word on there lol...good job i read back cos otherwise would of put somethin along these lines.

 

[sharlene]

There has already been alternatives suggested which pretty much invalidates this statement.



Thats a very narrow minded and negligible statement CONSIDERING there is alternatives suggested.



I agree that everyone has the right to an education and I agree that baby's are not a disease but in fact a life but your general logic on this isn't rational. It appears you're not thinking about the baby's life and the potential for it to die before it even has a chance to live or the school who could be potentially liable in the event of an infant death.

Thats also not to mention the trauma the girl might go through in the event of her losing her own baby.

I dont think girls should be expelled from school but its for their own good. they would be bullied for it and it would never stop! why would they not ave had protected *** and that scenario would never have happened. if i had to chose between school and having a child its obvious. id go for school and i would get the foetus aborted. this may sound immoral but it os for the best. education is more important!

 

[AжзMann]

I get what your sayin, but what we also have to remember is that not too long ago most girls were married off by the time they were like 16 and had children. When and how did this change come about? I dunno...........

I jus think it's all slightly madness. These girls are being punnished enough without being taken away from their friends and what they've known for all of their lives. Think how scared you must be when you find out you're pregnant, you have to tell your parents/family/friends. People look at you on the street so disapprovingly. Some girls are rejected by their families, they hav eto live on their own. They worry about money and being able to cope and all of that. They don't need what is supposed to be a support net, torn from under them.



Enough said. Shouldn't be talking about things that we personally don'tn know about. Get a teenage mother here to tell you what it's like and what she thinks then start heving your debate innit, thats the right way.

Laters!

Ok, I did forget to respond to this one earlier. Here goes..

I know throughout history girls and women in general have had it tough with regards to rights and respect. When people read my post's they should understand I'm not about saying young females should lose there rights to an education if they just so happen to fall pregnant, it has nothing to do with it.

Can one here honestly say that the principal or school board sits down and thinks "That girl is dirty and not good enough for our fine school." Or is it about covering themselves and students for a potential disaster.

Young mothers, for sure do it tough but they always have choices though some are not mature enough to make the RIGHT choice.

What if they called it 'leave of temporary absence' instead. Would people not be so up in arms about a sensible decision?

 

[The Voice]

I had no idea there were schools today that actually did this. I find the notion of expelling a girl from school for being pregnant barbaric. I also agree that there's a glaring double-standard here when the person who got her pregnant isn't mentioned at all.

They can get home schooled, which is a much better alternative cause they can take care of their baby while studying, etc.

Home-schooled by who? The single mother who works two jobs to make ends meet because she was never able to finish school as a result of being kicked out for getting pregnant?

I agree that everyone has the right to an education and I agree that baby's are not a disease but in fact a life but your general logic on this isn't rational. It appears you're not thinking about the baby's life and the potential for it to die before it even has a chance to live or the school who could be potentially liable in the event of an infant death.

Thats also not to mention the trauma the girl might go through in the event of her losing her own baby.

This makes no sense to me. The baby could die because the pregnant mother is sitting at a desk instead of on a couch? Walking down a school hallway instead of her hallway at home? Riding a school bus instead of a public one? Help me understand the reasoning here. We're talking about education, not trying out for the school basketball team. :dontknow:

 

[DarkDemonhunter]

I'm against it....

Because...

If someone gets pregnant....I see no reason to kick them out of school. It would be helping the kid. If a 12,13,14, or 15 year old kid got pregnant....then she obviously can't take care of herself so she most likely won't be able to take care of her kid. So trapping them at home together won't work and will be harder on the kid. Instead they could put them in a daycare center. Some schools, like mine, have a daycare center for when the babie's mom goes to school.


Kicking them out of school...Would be alot worse then you think. Homeschooling cost money, for books and stuff...which is alot more then a public school's fees (This differs in places)....So they need a job. Well...they got kicked out of school...who would want to hire them? Mcdonalds?...That's not helping the kid.

Now...You say...If they go to school...Where do they get the money for the kid?...Hmm...well...I really don't have an answer for that. They could get a job after school..but that would mean less time with the kid and someone else would have to take care of them. So....there are some good points and some bad points in this debate.


... ..I know a person...in 7th grade...she was 12....she got pregnant.....She did it willingly though....she took herself out of school....then came back when she had the baby. Her parents take care of it now.

 

[poisonXheart]

The Voice stated my thoughts exactly.​

AжзMann:
Say a girl or guy did accidently induce labor on a pregnant girl and as a result she lost the baby, thats a human life that was needlessly tossed away because a girl decides to take on a baby and an environment which could create an accident. Its just common sense to rest and stay at home during pregnancy.​

Rest and staty home during pregnancy? I do understand your concern however, most women work through their pregnancy. Unless you are talking about bullying (which really is another issue in itself) would you care to explain exactly why schools could be so injurious to a pregnant girl? Does this also mean she shouldn't walk down the street to the store in case she slips over on something? Pregnant women can get really unhealthy (both themselves and the baby) if they don't get regular exercise and activity. In a local high school here they actually have facilities for pregnant girls and students with babies so that they can bring them along if they have to. I just don't see why a school would be that dangerous :dontknow: ​