Should XL bullies be banned?

-Luka

-Luka

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No the thread does not pertain to obese high school bullies; it refers to XL Bulldogs.

Here in England (and Wales; Scotland/Northern Ireland may have different rules- can’t see anything that imcludes NI/S in this) as of tomorrow, all bully XLs must be kept on a lead and muzzled in public. It will also be illegal from this date to breed, sell, advertise, gift, exchange, and abandon these dogs or let them stray.

February 2024 will also start being a criminal offence if owners do not have a certificate of exemption which must be applied through the UK Government (ironically) before the end of February. This will no doubt cause ridiculous quotes in fees for insurance etc.

This is countered with the fact this will also mean a high increase of these animals being abandoned/neglected and worse- off hock of course is also condemned by animal rights.

Thoughts? Do you think they are “status dogs”?
 
Are these normal pitbulls like my brindle? Part of the problem is banning them will take away everyone's pets that are family. Pitbulls in general get a bad rap. If you don't raise your kids properly, they can grow up to be awful adults or worse, sane thing with pitbulls.
 
Boba Fett said:
Are these normal pitbulls like my brindle? Part of the problem is banning them will take away everyone's pets that are family. Pitbulls in general get a bad rap. If you don't raise your kids properly, they can grow up to be awful adults or worse, sane thing with pitbulls.
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According to the UK Gov website this is their definition:

The XL Bully breed type was developed through the crossing of various bull breeds, including the American Pit Bull Terrier.

The XL Bully breed type is a variant of the wider American Bully breed type. The XL Bully breed type is typically larger (both in terms of height and body shape) and more muscular than other Bully breed variant types such as the ‘Micro’, ‘Pocket’, ‘Standard’ and ‘Classic’.

I would post the link but unsure if allowed in debates. I mean i made the thread so probably not.
 
They definable should stop them from being bred. Humans are awful and through cross breeding, have made a lot of dogs that live short lives or have defects.
 
Yeah. They need to be banned, or have people who own it require a dog license. It's a dangerous dog in the hands of someone who has bad intent.
 
Luka said:
No the thread does not pertain to obese high school bullies; it refers to XL Bulldogs.

Here in England (and Wales; Scotland/Northern Ireland may have different rules- can’t see anything that imcludes NI/S in this) as of tomorrow, all bully XLs must be kept on a lead and muzzled in public. It will also be illegal from this date to breed, sell, advertise, gift, exchange, and abandon these dogs or let them stray.

February 2024 will also start being a criminal offence if owners do not have a certificate of exemption which must be applied through the UK Government (ironically) before the end of February. This will no doubt cause ridiculous quotes in fees for insurance etc.

This is countered with the fact this will also mean a high increase of these animals being abandoned/neglected and worse- off hock of course is also condemned by animal rights.

Thoughts? Do you think they are “status dogs”?
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Mixed feelings on this. The ban seemed to be a knee-jerk reaction and it’s only been banned as a PR exercise

The HC briefing paper on it says even the Government doesn’t have any stats on the number of dog attacks by breed (link is relevant to the debate so I’m adding it here) although an independent organisation claims to have some damning stats.

Having said that, if the dog is dangerous then banning the sale etc of them while allowing families to keep existing pets isn’t a bad way to do it.

Definitely a status dog. Nobody wants that type of dog just to cuddle up with in front of the telly on a Friday night.

Bit mad we’ve had the Dangerous Dogs Act since ‘91 and there’s no Government body collecting stats on which breeds are responsible for attacks/fatalities.
 
Creed101 said:
I don’t normally post in this sub thread but my opinion. Sometimes it might be the dog but most of the times it’s the owner. They need to train the dog better.
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Pitbulls are the most affectionate dogs so when the pendulum swings, they can also become the most mean when neglected just like any other intelligent creature capable of killing.
 
Inkandtatts said:
Mixed feelings on this. The ban seemed to be a knee-jerk reaction and it’s only been banned as a PR exercise

The HC briefing paper on it says even the Government doesn’t have any stats on the number of dog attacks by breed (link is relevant to the debate so I’m adding it here) although an independent organisation claims to have some damning stats.

Having said that, if the dog is dangerous then banning the sale etc of them while allowing families to keep existing pets isn’t a bad way to do it.

Definitely a status dog. Nobody wants that type of dog just to cuddle up with in front of the telly on a Friday night.

Bit mad we’ve had the Dangerous Dogs Act since ‘91 and there’s no Government body collecting stats on which breeds are responsible for attacks/fatalities.
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I do unfortunately believe they are known as status dogs. They’re not raised that way which of course puts the onus on the owners. So of course when one ‘bad dog’ attacks, the whole breed is vilified. Should the animal be put down? Unpopular opinion, yes (inb4 we should do the same to pedos- that’s another debate).

I do think that if the government want this rule enforced, they also should be subsidising owners of bullies. See how quick they u turn and/or when the blame is put on them when their tactics don’t work.

No stats= ‘amendable revenue’
 
when the fcuk are they going to ban certain people from owning dogs rather than banning breeds of dogs?

I have seen more placid 'aggresive' breeds than I have seen placid 'placid' breeds as an animal handler in the distant past.
 
I believe in the simple logic of the owners being bad to make bad dogs.
Any dog can be a good one if they are trained and taken care of.

Even though XL bullies are strong. They can be gentle.
 
I admit the title made me think this was about heavyset people who bully others 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

As for the topic, I’m torn also. If humans create a breed of dog that is known to be violent, that’s a human problem, not the dogs fault. So restricting these types of breeds from being created makes sense. But punishing the dogs for being created doesn’t make sense.

As for dogs like this that are already created, requiring them to be controlled when in public so they can’t hurt anyone also makes sense. As for the exemption certificate, if that means existing owners of this breed can keep their dogs and not abandon them that makes sense (but also seems like a money grab by the government).

As with most things in life, issues are not only black and white but have nuance to them. I’ve heard horrible stories of this breed attacking and mauling people and I’ve also heard stories where this breed is a loving member of people’s families. Complex issue and great thread 👍🏻
 
TheDifference said:
As for the exemption certificate, if that means existing owners of this breed can keep their dogs and not abandon them that makes sense (but also seems like a money grab by the government).
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exactly. And the best part!? The UK government will allow owners up to £200 reimbursement for euthanising the dog if “they don’t want to keep them” essentially they must be destroyed. $256 for USD

(Unsure if there’s a fee for exemption certificate- but it’s government it probably will be)

Vets will not put a healthy dog down and they are also stuck in a rut because they will be fined for not following the law and/or be struck off the vet register.

I have a feeling this will be like when people were fined for not complying with it the initial scamdemic lockdown rules- until someone in government is found to be non compliant then a swift u turn will be done. All too late.

Dogs should always be muzzled anyway imo, but destroying them all? No.

And don’t get me started on those chihuahuas those fkn little bipolar demons they’re the worst!

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What a mess. I wonder why this is happening now? Was there a rash of attacks or something?
 
There’s been numerous attacks from these dogs attacking people (some even from the household) seriously injuring and even causing death. There was a 17 month old girl mauled by the family pet and unfortunately died. This was on Merseyside so using that one as at forefront of my mind.

Just did a LeGoog this is from ITVdotCom. (@Ness_eb can i post links for reference that relates to debate? Unsure)

If links aren’t allowed have a search and can get a rough idea. But like all situations, mud sticks and the same is happening with these dogs.

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The problem is that a lot of people don't see dogs as animals any more. We have dogs that have a very strong guarding instinct and are very powerful animals. We don't muzzle them as they've been well socialised and well trained but we watch them like a hawk around strangers. You'd be shocked at the number of small children that are encouraged by their parents to hug our dogs. You'd also be surprised at the abuse heaped on us for telling the parents that it's really not a good idea to let their kids do that to a strange dog. We see videos on PooTube and other media of children being allowed to pull dogs ears and tails or behave completely inappropriately around them with comments like awwww how cute while we're saying that kid's going to lose its face in a minute...

People are morons around dogs. What we need is a public education programs to make people realise they're not "fur babies" they're domesticated animals that are one step away from the wolves they were domesticated from. We also need it to say socialise your dogs from an early age (i.e. as soon as their puppy vaccines are given and effective) and train them from an early age. We also need legislation that says if you have a potentially dangerous breed of dog and you don't keep it under control, socialise and train it, and it ends up seriously injuring someone or killing someone then you are responsible and you will face the full penalty of the law for that.

It's never the fault of the dog, it's ALWAYS the fault of the owner.
 
Luka said:
There’s been numerous attacks from these dogs attacking people (some even from the household) seriously injuring and even causing death. There was a 17 month old girl mauled by the family pet and unfortunately died. This was on Merseyside so using that one as at forefront of my mind.

Just did a LeGoog this is from ITVdotCom. (@Ness_eb can i post links for reference that relates to debate? Unsure)

If links aren’t allowed have a search and can get a rough idea. But like all situations, mud sticks and the same is happening with these dogs.

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Ah ok, makes sense. Ty for the info 👏🏻
 
emileh said:
The problem is that a lot of people don't see dogs as animals any more. We have dogs that have a very strong guarding instinct and are very powerful animals. We don't muzzle them as they've been well socialised and well trained but we watch them like a hawk around strangers. You'd be shocked at the number of small children that are encouraged by their parents to hug our dogs. You'd also be surprised at the abuse heaped on us for telling the parents that it's really not a good idea to let their kids do that to a strange dog. We see videos on PooTube and other media of children being allowed to pull dogs ears and tails or behave completely inappropriately around them with comments like awwww how cute while we're saying that kid's going to lose its face in a minute...

People are morons around dogs. What we need is a public education programs to make people realise they're not "fur babies" they're domesticated animals that are one step away from the wolves they were domesticated from. We also need it to say socialise your dogs from an early age (i.e. as soon as their puppy vaccines are given and effective) and train them from an early age. We also need legislation that says if you have a potentially dangerous breed of dog and you don't keep it under control, socialise and train it, and it ends up seriously injuring someone or killing someone then you are responsible and you will face the full penalty of the law for that.

It's never the fault of the dog, it's ALWAYS the fault of the owner.
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I agree with some of what you said but the rub is that, like humans, not all breeds are the same. Some dogs are very docile and gentle while others not so much. But you’re right, if dogs are mistreated there’s a good chance they are going to defend themselves.
 
Same as humans, or any species that’s young.

Treat, train and teach them correctly. That’s not to say that’s 100% effective and bites/attacks won’t happen because there’s that possibility in any living being to just snap. (Even me and I’m docile!)

I do think dogs should be banned from children’s play parks/areas. I’d rather not risk any chance of a child getting hurt.
 
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