What are we even doing in Camchat?

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Friar Shaggy is 59 said:
I've talked to the mod responsible for Pwurrs mute. It was NOT caps related at all.
Suzi has been warned about her caps use. She's still mad at me.
Sac was muted for a week on the semi racial attack yes. He'll be mad at me for a few months.
And You lot need to understand a couple of things.
I'm the video chat admin which was hacked and taken down. Me and my mod team are in cam chat on loan.
Chatmaster won't get rid of me because he'd actually have to work. 😱 ie get off his ass.
Most rooms have 10 staff....Alot of the rooms have a hella lot less chat ters then camchat. And yet i have a total of 5 including myself. I cannot provide 24 hour staff...Not even remotely happening.
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I know what the mute was for, and I get that it was not caps related. That part was more a comment on rules that are not actually rules, but instead just made up on the spot, without them actually being rules. That was used as an example, with how she was muted for spam when all she did was used a font that VIP users are given, and allowed to use. Certain mod(s) decided there was a rule about how quickly she could type while using that font, when no such rule has ever existed, and that was the justification.

If there are no mods in chat, and something is going on, the mods can really not be faulted for not dealing with something when they are not there. This is not about that at all. I know, and understand that you are understaffed. There are no issues there, you can only work with what you are given, and I think most people realize that. I did the job for 10 years somewhere bigger than chatave in the past, so I get it.

To really just simplify my point, let me break it down like this and see if we can all agree on some basic things:
  • Make sure all users get equal treatment, and that we apply the rules evenly to everyone.
  • If one person does not get messed with about something, nobody should be messed with about the same thing.
  • If one thing is kick/mute/ban worthy for one person, it is for all persons.
  • Maybe sticking to the stated rules of chat too would be nice, without needing to create rules on the spot.
  • Mods should never use personal feelings when making a decision
  • Mods should use a light touch whenever possible
  • Consider the spirit of the rules, and what the rule is intended to prevent. The no capslocks rule is a solid example, intended to prevent half the chat from using them constantly, just to stand out more. Not really intended to stop occasional use for a moment here and there.
Of course there are going to be some situations where certain people are going to need harsher corrections, if you factor in history, and nobody can really dispute that.

I just think we need to find a way to ease the tension between the mods and members, and that starts with everybody feeling like they got a fair shake. Users who feel like they got screwed over are the same users that turn into a problem, but when they get treated fairly, they can be solid members.

Goober, myself and the "Karen Gang" as we were called are a testament to that after the stuff that Ness pulled or forced his team pull on us. He went away finally, the mods relaxed, we relaxed, and everything was super cool. I want to keep things cool, but we have to work together to make it work.
 
ok i'll reply to your 7 points in order.
1. Make sure all users get equal treatment, and that we apply the rules evenly to everyone.
Due to the 3 tiered system of cam chat this will never happen. Guests are fucked over. Registered gets some stuff like password protected cams. Vip's get more font and supposedly anti kick protection.
2.If one person does not get messed with about something, nobody should be messed with about the same thing.
This one's easy. Religion and Politics. Not to mention when a certain someone died, Some chat ters were expressing joy at his death.
3.If one thing is kick/mute/ban worthy for one person, it is for all persons.
That should be true yes. But we can ghost some actions, Most will never see. I'll silently kick/mute a youngun or groomer...or other people that needs to go away quietly. Some of those cases are then interpreted as mod abuse.
4.Maybe sticking to the stated rules of chat too would be nice, without needing to create rules on the spot.
No. Simple I can't get a rule passed. Been trying for months to adjust the rules. i gave up 2 months ago with no reply at all....to this day no support from cm or admin...At All.
5.Mods should never use personal feelings when making a decision
Last i checked mods are humans..cept maybe me as i'm sweet innocent angel 😇
6.Mods should use a light touch whenever possible
Tried and chat blew up took a few days to get back under control. Won't try again.
7.Consider the spirit of the rules, and what the rule is intended to prevent. The no capslocks rule is a solid example, intended to prevent half the chat from using them constantly, just to stand out more. Not really intended to stop occasional use for a moment here and there.
That circles around to number 1..If i let pwurring use the occaisionaly cap i gotta let dadwantsetc to get away with DAD WANT XXX...
NOT happening.
I know this will set off a fire storm and ask me if i care. No i don't. these are my standpoints not chat aves or the staff.... Mine.
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Friar Shaggy is 59 said:
ok i'll reply to your 7 points in order.
1. Make sure all users get equal treatment, and that we apply the rules evenly to everyone.
Due to the 3 tiered system of cam chat this will never happen. Guests are fucked over. Registered gets some stuff like password protected cams. Vip's get more font and supposedly anti kick protection.
2.If one person does not get messed with about something, nobody should be messed with about the same thing.
This one's easy. Religion and Politics. Not to mention when a certain someone died, Some chat ters were expressing joy at his death.
3.If one thing is kick/mute/ban worthy for one person, it is for all persons.
That should be true yes. But we can ghost some actions, Most will never see. I'll silently kick/mute a youngun or groomer...or other people that needs to go away quietly. Some of those cases are then interpreted as mod abuse.
4.Maybe sticking to the stated rules of chat too would be nice, without needing to create rules on the spot.
No. Simple I can't get a rule passed. Been trying for months to adjust the rules. i gave up 2 months ago with no reply at all....to this day no support from cm or admin...At All.
5.Mods should never use personal feelings when making a decision
Last i checked mods are humans..cept maybe me as i'm sweet innocent angel 😇
6.Mods should use a light touch whenever possible
Tried and chat blew up took a few days to get back under control. Won't try again.
7.Consider the spirit of the rules, and what the rule is intended to prevent. The no capslocks rule is a solid example, intended to prevent half the chat from using them constantly, just to stand out more. Not really intended to stop occasional use for a moment here and there.
That circles around to number 1..If i let pwurring use the occaisionaly cap i gotta let dadwantsetc to get away with DAD WANT XXX...
NOT happening.
I know this will set off a fire storm and ask me if i care. No i don't. these are my standpoints not chat aves or the staff.... Mine.
Wahhh friar typed again wahh
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its funny you can state the rules but you cant follow them i have seen the way when someone calls you out on your bullshit that you beg girls to give you attention and i get kicked for caling you out on it when you claim your the admin but when someone come into forums and says something about being kicked in your room you say your not the admin so which is it are you or are you not me myself i think your are the admin in your head but when it comes to issuse that come about with the mods in your room you become not the admin
 
Mr. Monster said:
Why are you here, Sac? You aint fooling anyone with the alt account you made today. Take your mute for the week on the chin, and consider it a lesson learned. It ain't that deep.

I did not think that it was this hard to understand. Anybody with a little reading comprehension can understand the message.
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Who is he talking about? One other question. Why does he sound like he runs Cam chat. Is he an admin or mod?
 
Nascar what part of me and my mod team are on LOAN do you not understand?
It is not that hard to understand dumbass. Yes i went there. I am an admin ON LOAN to cam chat!
Get that thru your thick skull.
Complain to @Chatmaster as he is the room admin.
Wahhh friar is an admin in his head wahhh fuk off
 
I think we all know that the real issue is that OriginalScreenName is not an admin / mod for " Cam chat / former video Chat "

and i know a lot of people are bummed out because of that, but it is what it is.

Plus I am really way to busy to piss around my time modding.
 
ok i'll reply to your 7 points in order.
1. Make sure all users get equal treatment, and that we apply the rules evenly to everyone.
Due to the 3 tiered system of cam chat this will never happen. Guests are fucked over. Registered gets some stuff like password protected cams. Vip's get more font and supposedly anti kick protection.
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You know that as the mod or admin, or whatever you are, you can just NOT **** the guests over, right? Guests can also sign up, and then guess what? They are registered members. How can you act like treating people fairly is a no go, because certain levels of membership get different perks?

I don't think you quite get how bad that makes you sound.

2.If one person does not get messed with about something, nobody should be messed with about the same thing.
This one's easy. Religion and Politics. Not to mention when a certain someone died, Some chat ters were expressing joy at his death.
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I mean cool, I guess? That had nothing at all to do with my point, but okay. We can explore this.

After that person(s) got banned, we were then told by the mod who banned her that even saying the name of the person who died was against the rules, regardless of context. Make fun of someone else who died, and it's okay, but not the person that this mod personally got upset over.

Again "You upset me by saying something I personally do not like, so now it's against the rules"

3.If one thing is kick/mute/ban worthy for one person, it is for all persons.
That should be true yes. But we can ghost some actions, Most will never see. I'll silently kick/mute a youngun or groomer...or other people that needs to go away quietly. Some of those cases are then interpreted as mod abuse.
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how does makeup get a 30 day ban for doing a bump on cam, but the person who was way more wasted and doing a lot more drugs at the same time get a pass? Oh wait, the person who banned her is also the person who was carrying a grudge about her talking smack on mic, and banned her for that before too, over a gesture no less.

Rule #1, do not personally offend thy mod.

4.Maybe sticking to the stated rules of chat too would be nice, without needing to create rules on the spot.
No. Simple I can't get a rule passed. Been trying for months to adjust the rules. i gave up 2 months ago with no reply at all....to this day no support from cm or admin...At All.
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Let me get this straight. You can't get them to pass certain rules, so the solution is to just make rules up yourself anyhow, and enforce them like they are real? Do you see the disconnect here?

5.Mods should never use personal feelings when making a decision
Last i checked mods are humans..cept maybe me as i'm sweet innocent angel 😇
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Right, I get it but let's be serious about this.

If one of your mods can't separate their personal feelings from the job, maybe they should not be using the mod account. If someone making a gesture on cam that you don't like triggers you and makes you ban them, then maybe that person is not really mod material. If you are kicking people who use the word "bastard" in their name because you personally think that word is offensive, while you are having a nice chat with Mr "hornycock4U10", maybe the job aint for you. How many examples do you want?

6.Mods should use a light touch whenever possible
Tried and chat blew up took a few days to get back under control. Won't try again.
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except not really though. I am there pretty much daily, more than you are. You know what DOES rile chat up though? When the mods come through and carpet-bomb the place for stupid ****, and then it turns into half the chat trying to tell that mod to chill the **** out, and relax a little.

You want the truth? Even with the occasional spammers and weirdos, chat flows so much better without the mods there killing the vibe with petty ****. If we could just chill out and deal with the crazy ****, and leave people alone for the most part, there is not an issue.

7.Consider the spirit of the rules, and what the rule is intended to prevent. The no capslocks rule is a solid example, intended to prevent half the chat from using them constantly, just to stand out more. Not really intended to stop occasional use for a moment here and there.
That circles around to number 1..If i let pwurring use the occaisionaly cap i gotta let dadwantsetc to get away with DAD WANT XXX...
NOT happening.
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I mean come on, use your head, Shaggy. There is obviously a difference between someone using caps to say "OMG GUYS I AM SO EXCITED!!" and "HEY GIRLS DAD WITH FAT COCK ON CAM LETS CUM XXX"

If the mods are too stupid to see that distinction, then it's a complete lost cause. Give them some more credit than that, dude.
I know this will set off a fire storm and ask me if i care. No i don't. these are my standpoints not chat aves or the staff.... Mine.
Wahhh friar typed again wahh
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That's half the problem. You complain that nobody gets back to you, and that chatmaster does not care, and then here you are saying how you yourself do not care. You can invent rules and allow people to be kicked/muted/banned based on made up rules, because chatmaster wont approve your new rule suggestions, but you are powerless to adapt the mod style of your team to be more reasonable? Come on now.

You get that there are other places to go, and that most of the regulars are already there, yes? Maybe don't keep pushing them away when you don't need to.
 
Well aren't we one to talk. Some one who tells other ******** not to chat with some on for what ever reason. That seems a bit outside the rules. Trolling is not allowed either and you seem to do a lot of that with out punishment ever. For years. There is more but to keep this short lets discuss your treatment of Annashortie. It was almost criminal. Do you want to discuss this? I had lunch with her shortly after she left and told me all about it and confirmed what I had seen.
 
Friar Shaggy is 59 said:
I've talked to the mod responsible for Pwurrs mute. It was NOT caps related at all.
Suzi has been warned about her caps use. She's still mad at me.
Sac was muted for a week on the semi racial attack yes. He'll be mad at me for a few months.
And You lot need to understand a couple of things.
I'm the video chat admin which was hacked and taken down. Me and my mod team are in cam chat on loan.
Chatmaster won't get rid of me because he'd actually have to work. 😱 ie get off his ass.
Most rooms have 10 staff....Alot of the rooms have a hella lot less chat ters then camchat. And yet i have a total of 5 including myself. I cannot provide 24 hour staff...Not even remotely happening.
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Do not assume I will be mad. Thats a monster tactic. I for sure will not be. You did exactly as you should and you did show the other whiners you do your job. Sometimes sacrifice is the best way to get the truth out. You did the right thing Shagster & I support you 100 percent even if you call me a dork.
 
Pwurring said:
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I didn't even bother making a forum post about my unjust mute cause I already know how its gonna go; I'm just gonna be threatened with a 1 year ban and told I'm wrong and deserve it, so thanks for touching on this topic and noticing the abuse LOL!
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I can only wish
 
Sac De Toro said:
Well aren't we one to talk. Some one who tells other ******** not to chat with some on for what ever reason. That seems a bit outside the rules. Trolling is not allowed either and you seem to do a lot of that with out punishment ever. For years. There is more but to keep this short lets discuss your treatment of Annashortie. It was almost criminal. Do you want to discuss this? I had lunch with her shortly after she left and told me all about it and confirmed what I had seen.
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Sure, air it all out. Tell everything, and do not hold back. I am just as curious as anyone else.
 
All i'll say is Monster is you took alot of liberties over my responses. Can't be bothered to reply. I'm just done with your blatant disregard of facts and amazed at your ability to turn everything around to your hatred of that mod.
Universal Mods/Forums Mods you can close this. I'm done.
 
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