Open Letter

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purplerose

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Dear Site Admin, Cm(s)

Why have you let this site fail and fall into such disrepair?


Posts/Threads- Posts/Threads are ghost edited and closed for no reason. Many times not even breaking any rules. People with no concern with the forums ask for threads to be closed mid discussion most times, and it's done.
Why are posts/threads being deleted or moved to mod forums? especially when its not needed, and then having them be labeled “sensitive mod material” when it was clearly part of the discussion and no sensitive data was posted in open forums.
And then on the far end, users cannot use certain email truncation's to sign up or even contact you to alert you to issues with the site. Many times with issues going on days before action is taken. The fun threads are killed within 3 posts but the seriously, potentially serious threat threads are left for days.

Staff- It seems to be true that in SOME rooms a user must have VIP in order to become moderator? Basically what you/ the room admin are promoting is Pay To Play. Which makes it far less fair and balanced. not only for the other mods that have to work in the same room. but for the users they feel they wont get a fair decision when rules are broken. fair and balanced SHOULD be 1 of the qualities of a moderator, not their ability to pay. This site is missing out on some great moderators simply because they haven't paid (or paid recently).
Why do you treat the staff as they are poop on the bottom of your shoe? And no i certainly dont mean open an AMA or answer every single “HEY” pm. BUT you certainly should be answering your admins and reading what they say, not only do some have their rooms pulse , but most have their moderators insights as well, and no one has a better understanding of each one's room ( and even forums) better than the room's moderators, and anyone that tells you different is lying. Why don't you trust your admins to make good decisions for the room/forums? If you cant let them do the volunteer job, why did you hire them? It reflects badly on you when an admin/room/forum mods have to say, nope i cant do it. If they are your staff they should be given access to the tools to do what they were put there to do. If they don't do it, remove them if you must, not punish the entire group. we've been through this before and we learned taking tools/options away only hurts this site, its users and its bottom line. And yes, it's hurting the bottom line, 15 forums users online at a time is borderline dead.
Why is it taking months to turn mods blue? If users cannot tell who's who in forums how are users supposed to take what a mod says seriously and get users to follow the rules. Why are mods modding the room before being turned blue in forums?
Again , on the far end here, a moderator and an admin admitted to running a script in forums this past weekend. Historically, they would have been removed and banned. You've removed and banned for posting a poem before, and script running is far far far worse.

Rules- Why is there suddenly an influx of new rules? There are rules and then there are CORE rules, have fun, don’t hack, no flashing pictures, C,F,N,R word isn't acceptable. Now other words are now added to that list. And it seems that other unknown;unnamed rules are being placed and enforced. Forum bans are inconsistent with the crime, as well as no warnings or use of the ban reason box. Lack of users kills a site but so does over moderation/rules. Why is common sense not used more often? Why is it not inferred it should be used 1st when making a moderation decision?

You and I(the cm name) have gotten along like oil and water and i won't be sorry for it nor will I expect it to change. C/A is no longer a priority to you,and we(i) get that. But if you want this site to survive until the end of the year you're going to have to listen to some of us and change some things on this site. Or you'll be left with the f%%k week bots and script kiddies, and will be more of a laughing stock than it already is.




i have copies(mainly stated because of point 1)
#FreeLuka
TL😀R then get out, doors <----------- i dont do it often anymore but when i do its f%%ked up and it needs a change.
 
because they arent actual people. most are website tracker bot (g00gle or otherwise) .
I understand that but just because the forums don’t have a ton of members in it doesn’t seem to indicate the site is in trouble. A lot of members aren’t even aware the forum exists. And as long as they are active in the chat rooms their participation in the forums doesn’t equate to the site being in trouble. That’s just my opinion but thanks for responding. ✌🏻
 
they dont know about the place because they clicked an ad on p0rn site that said free live chat.. they dont even know where here is. they think theyre still on the p0rn site. you do you... keep on living the dream of denial.

you should read what spencer said . when the many were here it was active. when the group was here, this place was not only busy in the rooms they were busy in forums. it was 70 users/member viewing a thread. not 70 users/guests/ mostly bots viewing the forums list.
 
I'm no mod, and I have no idea about numbers, but...

The forums have potential, but it's not visable. I bet that many people even don't know it exist.
Why? Because it's not visable.
In the main page you see all the different chatrooms and all the nice stuff right?
But not the forums.
To find it you have to scroll to the bottom, and it's there with a small font to click on. No one sees that. The only reason why I found this forum is because I actually bothered to scroll all the way down.

Make people see the forums. That's my tip for the chatmaster.
Put it in the left menu on every chat-room, don't have it on the bottom of the main page. It will help. 🙂
 
I'm no mod, and I have no idea about numbers, but...

The forums have potential, but it's not visable. I bet that many people even don't know it exist.
Why? Because it's not visable.
In the main page you see all the different chatrooms and all the nice stuff right?
But not the forums.
To find it you have to scroll to the bottom, and it's there with a small font to click on. No one sees that. The only reason why I found this forum is because I actually bothered to scroll all the way down.

Make people see the forums. That's my tip for the chatmaster.
Put it in the left menu on every chat-room, don't have it on the bottom of the main page. It will help. 🙂
forums has always been 2nd. there are people here that are just here and not in the rooms and people that are here and in the rooms. but as the age of chat sites have been reached peak sunset age, the number of actual users has dropped significantly. retaining users or praise little tiny lord jesus signing up new users comes down to site improvements. which lays squarely at cms feet which deal with staff/rules/thread issues. more guests does not equal more sign ups and usually is a sign that there are more bots than actual users. and over taking by bots will chase off the user. and you are right. theyve basically scrubbed forums from access from the chat room log in pages
 
We easily get a majourity lf VIP on singles. Bots/pedos are banned within a few hours of being decected and reporting to me. Number may have dropped yes ofc. Purple has been gone kver a year. The rooms finally like it once was under her. Knowing she gave it her all like I do. Knowing she had the rooms best interests at heart
 
No mod or admin can fix these problems because they're not supposed to be fixed. Message randoms out of a hat and you can get a reply, but that doesn't mean you know why they're there. Go on a name that isn't your staff account, maybe pick a female forename and see what happens
 
Your original post had a lot of topics in it. One of them was the sites survival. Part of any sites survival is the number of users. There were also posts about numbers of users in the forum vs rooms. Not sure where you see derailment. Most people here are trying to have an adult discussion about your topics. Isn’t that what you wanted by posting it publicly instead of pm’ing CM?
 
I'm going to derail it again because there's actually a much bigger thing going on here that everyone is blissfully ignoring. I see a lot of staff defending the longevity of the website like it means something, as though there is some personal pride at stake here. Maybe some contrived sense of social standing.

No staff members make ADifference (xDDDDDDDDDDD) in the long run of this website because that is not why you are staffed on the website. You are all intentionally neutered. Only the most egregious cases make it to a permanent ban, and there are six-thousand obstacles in order to get that done, even when it's justified (almost always). It's not because the site owners are free speech advocates, it's because the largest segment of people attracted to the chat rooms is morally decrepit, and the owners require that traffic to justify advertising revenue. The only people being fooled about that are the ones who think they are safeguarding users. If that were your purpose, you would have greater latitude. You only exist so it looks like they care about it.

None of you are here to enforce or protect anything, you exist only to remove liability from the site's owners re: the worst things that can happen in an online chat room, and which often do happen. You are all neutered and completely disempowered from actually affecting anything in the grand scheme of the rooms, and the business model works wholly against whatever you think you're standing up for.

Especially @TheDifference because that room is notorious and has been notorious for twenty years, at no fault of its staff at any point. It will always be that way. I'm sure you have some regulars whom you know and respect, but wake up and smell the roses on the big picture of why this website is the way it is.

Orange for UM
 
I'm going to derail it again because there's actually a much bigger thing going on here that everyone is blissfully ignoring. I see a lot of staff defending the longevity of the website like it means something, as though there is some personal pride at stake here. Maybe some contrived sense of social standing.

No staff members make ADifference (xDDDDDDDDDDD) in the long run of this website because that is not why you are staffed on the website. You are all intentionally neutered. Only the most egregious cases make it to a permanent ban, and there are six-thousand obstacles in order to get that done, even when it's justified (almost always). It's not because the site owners are free speech advocates, it's because the largest segment of people attracted to the chat rooms is morally decrepit, and the owners require that traffic to justify advertising revenue. The only people being fooled about that are the ones who think they are safeguarding users. If that were your purpose, you would have greater latitude. You only exist so it looks like they care about it.

None of you are here to enforce or protect anything, you exist only to remove liability from the site's owners re: the worst things that can happen in an online chat room, and which often do happen. You are all neutered and completely disempowered from actually affecting anything in the grand scheme of the rooms, and the business model works wholly against whatever you think you're standing up for.

Especially @TheDifference because that room is notorious and has been notorious for twenty years, at no fault of its staff at any point. It will always be that way. I'm sure you have some regulars whom you know and respect, but wake up and smell the roses on the big picture of why this website is the way it is.

Orange for UM
Since you tagged me I’ll respond
I think your premise has a few flaws. You said staff are defending the longevity of the site because of some feeling of personal pride. Big assumption there. And in my specific case it’s false. I was merely pointing out that the site has been around a very long time and I doubt it’s going to be folding any time soon. I take no credit for the long term success or failure of this site.

My second disagreement is with your statement that staff don’t make a difference. I can only speak for myself but I know I make a difference. I help people on a daily basis here. Users regularly thank me for what I do. I also remove horrible people like pedos and other creeps as well as underage people who shouldn’t be in my rooms. That said, I’m self aware enough to realize this is a band aid fix. Pedos will always come back and even if we permanently remove one, 3 new ones take their place. Kids will always sneak in. But that doesn’t mean we should just throw our hands up and do nothing.

I don’t mod for any kudos, sense of “power” or some misguided hero complex. I do it because I like helping people and making this site a safe(er) place and also because it’s fun. Does that make me crazy? Probably but oh well 🤷🏻‍♂️

And yes, I’m aware the AC rooms are notorious and are pretty wild places. But as you said, there are regulars there. They are good people just looking to have a little escape from life. We are building a solid core team of great moderators who have each others backs, respect each other and work very hard to cover the rooms almost 24/7 and improve the user experience. And all that hard work is something that I *do* take pride in.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk 😂 ✌🏻
 
@orange i dont have my blinders on towards the morality issue. it started creeping in in earnest 10ish years ago. it was always there but not to this extent. its further exasperated because of site traffic needs to stay up meaning mods/admins limits leaving larger un monitored gaps. mods have more and more rules of things they cant do. and all this leads to cm allowing the clean up. hence the op. mods/admins for a long time have been spinning their wheels. actual users are disgusted and sick of it. and if it wants to keep the actual users it needs an overhaul, only one cm can provide.
 
Since you tagged me I’ll respond
I think your premise has a few flaws. You said staff are defending the longevity of the site because of some feeling of personal pride. Big assumption there. And in my specific case it’s false. I was merely pointing out that the site has been around a very long time and I doubt it’s going to be folding any time soon. I take no credit for the long term success or failure of this site.

My second disagreement is with your statement that staff don’t make a difference. I can only speak for myself but I know I make a difference. I help people on a daily basis here. Users regularly thank me for what I do. I also remove horrible people like pedos and other creeps as well as underage people who shouldn’t be in my rooms. That said, I’m self aware enough to realize this is a band aid fix. Pedos will always come back and even if we permanently remove one, 3 new ones take their place. Kids will always sneak in. But that doesn’t mean we should just throw our hands up and do nothing.

I don’t mod for any kudos, sense of “power” or some misguided hero complex. I do it because I like helping people and making this site a safe(er) place and also because it’s fun. Does that make me crazy? Probably but oh well 🤷🏻‍♂️

And yes, I’m aware the AC rooms are notorious and are pretty wild places. But as you said, there are regulars there. They are good people just looking to have a little escape from life. We are building a solid core team of great moderators who have each others backs, respect each other and work very hard to cover the rooms almost 24/7 and improve the user experience. And all that hard work is something that I *do* take pride in.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk 😂 ✌🏻
I did indeed read your TED Talk.

You don't do it for contrived pride. Good for you, I am glad you help people.

You apply only small band aids in the context of the larger problem. You acknowledge that, but what next? Do you ever consider the fact that the entire website's longevity relies specifically on the fact that you may only ever apply band aids to a wound? Perhaps that it is by design that you are limited in this way? It doesn't make you feel bad that all of your personal goals and morals, in the grand scheme, are actively and intentionally subverted by two people who want to make money?

You mentioned the FBI a few pages ago. If this were a sane world, the FBI would have destroyed these chats a long time ago. The regulars you speak with, and who reveal themselves publicly, converse in the main chat, are a stark minority of all users who are present in any (largely populated) room at any time. Removing the experience of these 50-odd people to remove the platform from the 3,000-odd miscreants is a very easy cost-benefit calculus. An innumerable segment of people in these chats should not even have the right to exist, let alone to live out their fantasies on a lost website from Internet 1.0 (and then buy VIP to masquerade as normal people).

The moderators whom you respect, whose backs you say you have, you are all fighting against the tide because your utopian, safe chat room is less profitable than what the rooms are now.

That is neither here nor there. The forum doesn't have easy nudes, and therefore is comparatively more tame.

Orange for UM
 
I did indeed read your TED Talk.

You don't do it for contrived pride. Good for you, I am glad you help people.

You apply only small band aids in the context of the larger problem. You acknowledge that, but what next? Do you ever consider the fact that the entire website's longevity relies specifically on the fact that you may only ever apply band aids to a wound? Perhaps that it is by design that you are limited in this way? It doesn't make you feel bad that all of your personal goals and morals, in the grand scheme, are actively and intentionally subverted by two people who want to make money?

You mentioned the FBI a few pages ago. If this were a sane world, the FBI would have destroyed these chats a long time ago. The regulars you speak with, and who reveal themselves publicly, converse in the main chat, are a stark minority of all users who are present in any (largely populated) room at any time. Removing the experience of these 50-odd people to remove the platform from the 3,000-odd miscreants is a very easy cost-benefit calculus. An innumerable segment of people in these chats should not even have the right to exist, let alone to live out their fantasies on a lost website from Internet 1.0 (and then buy VIP to masquerade as normal people).

The moderators whom you respect, whose backs you say you have, you are all fighting against the tide because your utopian, safe chat room is less profitable than what the rooms are now.

That is neither here nor there. The forum doesn't have easy nudes, and therefore is comparatively more tame.

Orange for UM
I have to go mod now so I can’t respond the way I want to. Maybe later when I’m done. I do agree with some of your points but disagree with others (per usual) 😂
 
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