Do sex workers(prostitues/OF) respect and empowerment or to be morally and societally criticized?

-Luka said:
Staff complained? Then I think staff need a fucking backbone if they feel outsmarted by a 16yo that it needs to be moved to a forum where she can no longer comment.
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I wonder who could have been the staff complaining to harass me.
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Bread. said:
To be human is to make judgements about everything around you.

To claim degrading yourself is empowerment is simply absurd. Take all sex work aside and reread the first sentence. Degradation is not an attribute that only you can attribute to yourelf and there is nothing that's respectable about being degraded.


Everything around us has a moral and societal judgement.
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Oh I definitely think claiming it as empowerment is much too far. That doesn't mean I want to go out and raise a hue and cry about their lifestyle. In my clueless youth I was a very judgy person - always saw things strictly in black and white - which I had to work on assiduously to fix, and still to this day I often pull myself up when I catch myself judging friends or family on certain choices, because judging a person on any life choice is not my place or anyone's. So no, I don't agree with them being societally or morally criticised, it is simply not our place, as you should know well. We all can be judged on something in our life, big or small, as we are imperfect humans.
 
H.R. PufnStuf said:
Moved from debate- but debate forum rules to apply to this thread.
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quite a few bread posts that have nothing to do with the debate and are defamation of other chat users. maybe dont be partial for once? i reported the posts, hopefully you can do something about them. with the amount of his posts in this thread that are off-topic, i'd concur this is trolling and should be a locked thread, perhaps? c'mon H.R., if you're going to pander to crybaby bread's demands, don't be partial. it makes you look as much of a coward as he is. (feel free to edit this when bread reports it, or delete it altogether as it criticizes you as well H.R.)
 
Soundz123 said:
quite a few bread posts that have nothing to do with the debate and are defamation of other chat users. maybe dont be partial for once? i reported the posts, hopefully you can do something about them. with the amount of his posts in this thread that are off-topic, i'd concur this is trolling and should be a locked thread, perhaps? c'mon H.R., if you're going to pander to crybaby bread's demands, don't be partial. it makes you look as much of a coward as he is. (feel free to edit this when bread reports it, or delete it altogether as it criticizes you as well H.R.)
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These are the rules being applied here: https://forum.chat-avenue.com/threads/debate-forum-basic-rules-and-guidelines.3189/
 
2nd rule of debate forum states “open to all ages”

Get this out of adult forum. It’s literally the forum rules since they’re being applied.

@Apollo
 
Soundz123 said:
quite a few bread posts that have nothing to do with the debate and are defamation of other chat users. maybe dont be partial for once? i reported the posts, hopefully you can do something about them. with the amount of his posts in this thread that are off-topic, i'd concur this is trolling and should be a locked thread, perhaps? c'mon H.R., if you're going to pander to crybaby bread's demands, don't be partial. it makes you look as much of a coward as he is. (feel free to edit this when bread reports it, or delete it altogether as it criticizes you as well H.R.)
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Like this post violating rule 3 off topic and rule 1 debating user not topic. Youre just big mad you got called out on your zionist anti palestine rant and made fun off dead children
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-Luka said:
2nd rule of debate forum states “open to all ages”

Get this out of adult forum. It’s literally the forum rules since they’re being applied.

@Apollo
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ink and cry wanted in here, i dont see the point either theres literally another thread talking about sexwork not removed in there except inkandcry didnt complain about it to try to silence me.
 
If the staff cant behave like adults what makes you think users are going to behave like adults?

Cant even have a good old debate thread anymore.
 
Akrta said:
This is exactly why I stop making threads. I gave up on forums.
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But you promised to express yer love fer me lol publicly - is this why I lose coz of HR? again? lol hahahahaha!

I deal with him!

Bread. said:
If the staff cant behave like adults what makes you think users are going to behave like adults?

Cant even have a good old debate thread anymore.
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Are you saying the forums are over modoated?
 
I know sex workers personally.

I know women and men who do it. Can it be dangerous, yes, can it be liberating? Also yes. I've seen friends fall on both sides of the scale here.

If people are consensually partaking, are of age, and are of sound mind, then it is nobody else's business. Who anyone chooses to have sex with is a personal choice (as I said, CONSENSUAL, OF AGE) and if they choose to pay for it or charge for it, then who am I to judge them? Some people do O-Fans for the sheer enjoyment of their exhibitionism, some do it to give their children a better school, to buy a better house. My friend escorts because she works three nights a week and pulls in over 3k a month on her regulars alone. She never went to college or university, she enjoys being wined and dined and she's been lucky to find regulars who are "safe" and generous.

I'd actually argue we need safer places for this to happen so we can gain tax, and ensure safety of those involved (testing, drug rehabilitation, security etc). Only fans makes it a little safer in a way, with many choosing never to meet customers, but it isn't where the majority of the help needs to be directed, it's street prostitution and brothels.

So in answer: Live and let live. You do not have the right to judge. Most people are three pay checks away from poverty, so who is to say how far you'll go to keep a roof over your head, or to feed your children.

Inkandtatts said:
PS. Didn’t Jesus associate with a prostitute? Maybe he was a sweaty hideous old man too
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Yes, yes he did.
 
Hang on, Jesus associated with a prostitute because of she came to Him for and as the account states it was not for personal sex.

There's a difference.
 
Louize said:
I know sex workers personally.

I know women and men who do it. Can it be dangerous, yes, can it be liberating? Also yes. I've seen friends fall on both sides of the scale here.

If people are consensually partaking, are of age, and are of sound mind, then it is nobody else's business. Who anyone chooses to have sex with is a personal choice (as I said, CONSENSUAL, OF AGE) and if they choose to pay for it or charge for it, then who am I to judge them? Some people do O-Fans for the sheer enjoyment of their exhibitionism, some do it to give their children a better school, to buy a better house. My friend escorts because she works three nights a week and pulls in over 3k a month on her regulars alone. She never went to college or university, she enjoys being wined and dined and she's been lucky to find regulars who are "safe" and generous.

I'd actually argue we need safer places for this to happen so we can gain tax, and ensure safety of those involved (testing, drug rehabilitation, security etc). Only fans makes it a little safer in a way, with many choosing never to meet customers, but it isn't where the majority of the help needs to be directed, it's street prostitution and brothels.

So in answer: Live and let live. You do not have the right to judge. Most people are three pay checks away from poverty, so who is to say how far you'll go to keep a roof over your head, or to feed your children.
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So if you can judge yourself for doing this or not then you can judge others with the same morality. Should you? probably not. But it sets a "standard" that you have to either agree with or disagree with morally. Though i agree applying that standard to others is a little more complex because it also encompasses other aspects like subjectivity and empathy etc
 
Bread. said:
This is not a necessity it is a choice.
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God gave us free will and he will be the ultimate decider, whatever your personal views are

Praise the Lord our God and his son Jesus Christ and God Almighty

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Bread. said:

ink and cry wanted in here
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In the interests of getting back on topic, it wasn't him(if its Inks you're suggesting) Other Staff objected to the content/subject in a 13+ forum, and was insistent it be moved. I don't think it needed to moved- but as I said I understood the concern and it seemed like a reasonable compromise.
 
They willingly do sex work (like CORN) for the promise of money
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Most "prostitutes" a term used in OP are working the streets. They do so at great risk to themselves, through violence, and risk to others, through the transmission of STD's. They are themselves exploited, and they exploit others.

A LOT of street workers (prob most in fact) are not hooking to feed kids or paying rent. They are feeding the avails of predatory pimps, and they are feeding their addiction, as a lot- if not most are junkies.

Now if all prostitutes were "escorts" and had safe venues, health care, payed taxes (the sanitized version of "prostitution" ) all one could do if so inclined would be to make a moral judgement, ie is selling your body a moral act? Who does it harm?

Everyone who holds a job to one degree or another, is a wage slave, renting our bodies to toil for others- but selling the body for the gratification of another? It just seems, wrong. But in the "escort" example it might provide some sort of use to society.

(I have little sympathy for adult film actors- because it is becoming well known there is link between corn and sexual violence towards women. )


Jesus, The Good Shephered while trying to teach sinners(such as tax collectors and prostitutes) often did so without resorting to public humilation.
 
Speaking for myself, I take my hat off to sex workers, regardless of their genders and such sh!t. One provides a service, one is rewarded. There are obviously people forced into it but that's another topic. Yes?

Yes.

Good.

I mean, if one is good at sex and can make a living from it then I say spread "em wide baby!

Obviously it would be far better if legalised and taxed, but humanity is biased, which will never change, unfortunately.

Respect for all, that's all.
 
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