Do sex workers(prostitues/OF) respect and empowerment or to be morally and societally criticized?

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Do sex workers(prostitues/OF) respect and empowerment or to be morally and societally criticized?

You’re letting sweaty, hideous old men (and possibly women) slap their s***** on you and use you as a *** rag. Unattractive, stinky people who you wouldn’t even look at without a paycheck. there is nothing empowering about it. it’s repulsive. if you’re not harming yourself physically with diseases, you’re harming yourself mentally.

OF too. You are nothing more than an object whose only value is sexual appeal.

Those that argue that autonomy is what its important and thats why sex workers do what they do, are wrong. Many of these people, especially OF (modern day prostitution) do not do this to "get out" of poverty. They willingly do sex work (like CORN) for the promise of money and the lifestyle it provides.

This is not a necessity it is a choice.

If Dolores, a single mother immigrant living in the bronx with 5 kids can work 2 or 3 minimum wage bobs to provide for her family (necessity), why cant these people?

Because they want the easy road (choice)

Dignity is priceless.

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Bread. said:
Do sex workers(prostitues/OF) respect and empowerment or to be morally and societally criticized?

You’re letting sweaty, hideous old men (and possibly women) slap their saggy balls on you and use you as a *** rag. Unattractive, stinky people who you wouldn’t even look at without a paycheck. there is nothing empowering about it. it’s repulsive. if you’re not harming yourself physically with diseases, you’re harming yourself mentally.

OF too. You are nothing more than an object whose only value is sexual appeal.

Those that argue that autonomy is what its important and thats why sex workers do what they do, are wrong. Many of these people, especially OF (modern day prostitution) do not do this to "get out" of poverty. They willingly do sex work (like CORN) for the promise of money and the lifestyle it provides.

This is not a necessity it is a choice.

If Dolores, a single mother immigrant living in the bronx with 5 kids can work 2 or 3 minimum wage bobs to provide for her family (necessity), why cant these people?

Because they want the easy road (choice)

Dignity is priceless.
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That’s the beauty of living in a free modern society, if people are offended by the oldest profession in the world then so be it, if a woman wants to allow her body to be used and abused let them it’s their choice and who are we as men to judge them for it OF couldn’t care less about that site I say good on them for the free choice that allows them to do as they please. There are many male sèx workers these days I say good on them if they are not hurting you or your family let them do as they want, if a married man or woman goes and sees a sěx worker that says a lot to lol
 
as for the “topic”: if women want to be sex workers, that’s fine. whether it’s something they enjoy or not depends entirely on them. they shouldn’t rely on outside criticism, unless they’re requesting it. but that’s a rule on pretty much everything. outside criticism is usually just projection or something done with malicious intent. if anything, the only “criticism” worth noting would likely be their customers.
 
I do see the side of the conversation that sex workers main clientele are perverts, but, I don’t see that it’s any of my business who their clientele are… I mean. Especially in the case of OF workers who don’t necessarily have to ever meet said persons. I have a general disdain for social media (in general) for many reasons. There are two sides to a coin though.

As to whether or not they deserve respect? That depends on your definition of respect. I don’t think it’s possible to “respect” something (or someone) that can’t hurt you. So. I’m not sure respect is the term I would use. Do they deserve the same common decency that you’d afford any other human being ? Yes.

Is it an avenue for empowerment? I’m pretty sure the OF chic that’s making 6 figures gives two fuggs about what people think about her. So. Also Yes. If she’s sad about it she can wipe her tears away with crispy blue hundreds.
Bread. said:
If Dolores, a single mother immigrant living in the bronx with 5 kids can work 2 or 3 minimum wage bobs to provide for her family (necessity), why cant these people?

Because they want the easy road (choice)

Dignity is priceless.
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As for this. If Dolores could forego working 2 or three minimum wage “bobs” for one that didn’t take up all of her time…. Wouldn’t that be smart?

Dignity is a social construct. If Dolores wants to sell cheeks to simps, and it doesn’t bother Dolores, why the fugg do I care? Sell them cheeks. Why do you care so much about what Dolores is doing? That’s Dolores’s
business. . . .
 
Juddy said:
That’s the beauty of living in a free modern society, if people are offended by the oldest profession in the world then so be it, if a woman wants to allow her body to be used and abused let them it’s their choice and who are we as men to judge them for it OF couldn’t care less about that site I say good on them for the free choice that allows them to do as they please. There are many male sèx workers these days I say good on them if they are not hurting you or your family let them do as they want, if a married man or woman goes and sees a sěx worker that says a lot to lol
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Likewise thats the beauty of having an opinion.

It is crippling society. If the drug dealer around the corner is not hurting me or my family let them do what they want? Right? Its not like its damaging those families. The stripper dancing for money is not being sexually objectified. the prostitutes dont lead to abuse and human trafficking. The corn actresses arent being degraded and damaging societal views on relationships.

Or can you explain to me why the destruction of the nuclear family is a good thing?

As the end approaches, people are going to be self-absorbed, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
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The real travesty is minimum wage jobs. Tell me you don’t give a fugg about someone else’s quality of life without telling me you really don’t give a fugg about someone else’s quality of life.
 
!tulsa! said:
I do see the side of the conversation that sex workers main clientele are perverts, but, I don’t see that it’s any of my business who their clientele are… I mean. Especially in the case of OF workers who don’t necessarily have to ever meet said persons. I have a general disdain for social media (in general) for many reasons. There are two sides to a coin though.

As to whether or not they deserve respect? That depends on your definition of respect. I don’t think it’s possible to “respect” something (or someone) that can’t hurt you. So. I’m not sure respect is the term I would use. Do they deserve the same common decency that you’d afford any other human being ? Yes.
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self - respect.

It is nearly mpossible to respect something that bears no respect to themselves.
!tulsa! said:
Is it an avenue for empowerment? I’m pretty sure the OF chic that’s making 6 figures gives two fuggs about what people think about her. So. Also Yes. If she’s sad about it she can wipe her tears away with crispy blue hundreds.
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Arrogance is a good trait? What do you have to say to the OF chick losing her dignity trying to earn 6 figures and selling her 🐈 for $3 a month. Now having to deal with her family, employers, and everyone judging her and treating her with the respect she chose for herself?

There is more to life than money.

!tulsa! said:
As for this. If Dolores could forego working 2 or three minimum wage “bobs” for one that didn’t take up all of her time…. Wouldn’t that be smart?

Dignity is a social construct. If Dolores wants to sell cheeks to simps, and it doesn’t bother Dolores, why the fugg do I care? Sell them cheeks. Why do you care so much about what Dolores is doing? That’s Dolores’s
business. . . .
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It affects everyone not just dolores. The best thing dolores is setting an example of living a morally good life even if its a struggle. You seem to think that everyone who is selling their soul and cheeks is earning 6 figures. When the reality is lots of these people still end up broke and or quitting their "professio", but now along with that comes self destruction and the destruction of everyone and everything around them. Not exactly Empowerment. Now compares Dolores who still managed to end up broke but still has her dignity left. Everyone can respect that and that respect can give her a better future.
 
Bread. said:
self - respect.

It is nearly mpossible to respect something that bears no respect to themselves.

Arrogance is a good trait? What do you have to say to the OF chick losing her dignity trying to earn 6 figures and selling her 🐈 for $3 a month. Now having to deal with her family, employers, and everyone judging her and treating her with the respect she chose for herself?

There is more to life than money.


It affects everyone not just dolores. The best thing dolores is setting an example of living a morally good life even if its a struggle. You seem to think that everyone who is selling their soul and cheeks is earning 6 figures. When the reality is lots of these people still end up broke and or quitting their "professio", but now along with that comes self destruction and the destruction of everyone and everything around them. Not exactly Empowerment. Now compares Dolores who still managed to end up broke but still has her dignity left. Everyone can respect that and that respect can give her a better future.
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Tell me how effects everyone if Dolores wants to sell her body?
 
Bread. said:
Likewise thats the beauty of having an opinion.

It is crippling society. If the drug dealer around the corner is not hurting me or my family let them do what they want? Right? Its not like its damaging those families. The stripper dancing for money is not being sexually objectified. the prostitutes dont lead to abuse and human trafficking. The corn actresses arent being degraded and damaging societal views on relationships.

Or can you explain to me why the destruction of the nuclear family is a good thing?
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Now you are taking it to another level stick to the subject matter at hand ? This is about the oldest profession in the world, if a man and woman want to sell their body for money let them it’s none of your business, most women get their clients from married men, sports stars , high profile celebrities and politicians that’s fact, now you want to discuss the local drug dealers I actually couldn’t care less about the drug dealers if you are stupid enough to take drugs then that’s on you , drugs and prostitution go hand in hand for the most part , then again I know quite a number of stripper and prostitutes who wouldn’t touch drugs or go anywhere near anyone from this site , you are worried about women being degraded and abused take this seriously and start in your own community the fact is Mr and Mrs jones from next door is your biggest problem considering 1 in 4 homes has a woman abuser more women and children are being degraded and abused by men who work and come home to abuse their families.
 
Juddy said:
Now you are taking it to another level stick to the subject matter at hand ? This is about the oldest profession in the world, if a man and woman want to sell their body for money let them it’s none of your business, most women get their clients from married men, sports stars , high profile celebrities and politicians that’s fact, now you want to discuss the local drug dealers I actually couldn’t care less about the drug dealers if you are stupid enough to take drugs then that’s on you , drugs and prostitution go hand in hand for the most part , then again I know quite a number of stripper and prostitutes who wouldn’t touch drugs or go anywhere near anyone from this site , you are worried about women being degraded and abused take this seriously and start in your own community
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You used the subject of their profession "not hurting your family, they shouldnt be judged because its their life".
I gave you a similar outcome with drug addicts.
I can use the exact same example you give. If someone is stupid enough to be a prostitute and get murdered by Jeffrey Dahmer then thats on them too? Right? Like what is the difference between a drug dealer prostitute? If prostitutes can use the excuse that the profession is a necessity because theyre poor then why cant drug addicts?
Why have compassion for prostitutes but not drug addicts?

Youre saying stick to the subject now why are you bringing up domestic abuse? You can keep relating everything to everything and it all trickles down to 1 thing. Whether something is good or bad. Morals and ethics are at the core of pretty much every debate.

Juddy said:
the fact is Mr and Mrs jones from next door is your biggest problem considering 1 in 4 homes has a woman abuser more women and children are being degraded and abused by men who work and come home to abuse their families.
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strange how the facts say otherwise. It is women who are more abusive towards children.
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Its explained at least 8 different times. If you have difficulty understanding what a debate is or how to read context go to school and learn how to read.

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H.R. PufnStuf said:
Moved from debate- but debate forum rules to apply to this thread.
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Why? Because it’s a sex related topic? That’s daft under 18s are taught about this stuff (maybe not OF) but sex Ed in general.

Plus it prevents other mindsets simply because they’re under 18 as per adult forum rules.
 
Bread. said:
because some dumb bitch cried about it as an attempt to silence my viewpoint


What a nice "debate" tactic
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I very much doubt emileh wanted this moved here. She’d have silenced herself. Plus she was debating with you as per debate thread in debate forum. There was no reason for it to be moved here.

Also she’s 16! Don’t forget the age with the names Bread! You’re better than that. Don’t morph into Hannah 👌
 
-Luka said:
I very much doubt emileh wanted this moved here. She’d have silenced herself. Plus she was debating with you as per debate thread in debate forum. There was no reason for it to be moved here.

Also she’s 16! Don’t forget the age with the names Bread! You’re better than that. Don’t morph into Hannah 👌
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I didn't say her. I said dumb bitch.

She has made 0 debates in this thread (like most other threads) all she has done here is spread insults and accusations.
 
-Luka said:
Why? Because it’s a sex related topic? That’s daft under 18s are taught about this stuff (maybe not OF) but sex Ed in general.

Plus it prevents other mindsets simply because they’re under 18 as per adult forum rules.
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Can't say I disagree, tbh. However there were complaints from staff so this is a decent compromise.
 
Pandora said:
"....until you've walked a mile in their shoes"
"Judge not, lest ye be judged"
"Live and let live"
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To be human is to make judgements about everything around you.

To claim degrading yourself is empowerment is simply absurd. Take all sex work aside and reread the first sentence. Degradation is not an attribute that only you can attribute to yourelf and there is nothing that's respectable about being degraded.


Everything around us has a moral and societal judgement.

The whole point of a debate is to express and defend your opinions on a topic that has one or more differentiating opinions. You do this by expressing arguments, logic, and evidence .

Not to express your opinions about a chatter which is why you have just been reported.
 
-Luka said:
Staff complained? Then I think staff need a fucking backbone if they feel outsmarted by a 16yo that it needs to be moved to a forum where she can no longer comment.
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I wonder who could have been the staff complaining to harass me.
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Bread. said:
To be human is to make judgements about everything around you.

To claim degrading yourself is empowerment is simply absurd. Take all sex work aside and reread the first sentence. Degradation is not an attribute that only you can attribute to yourelf and there is nothing that's respectable about being degraded.


Everything around us has a moral and societal judgement.
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Oh I definitely think claiming it as empowerment is much too far. That doesn't mean I want to go out and raise a hue and cry about their lifestyle. In my clueless youth I was a very judgy person - always saw things strictly in black and white - which I had to work on assiduously to fix, and still to this day I often pull myself up when I catch myself judging friends or family on certain choices, because judging a person on any life choice is not my place or anyone's. So no, I don't agree with them being societally or morally criticised, it is simply not our place, as you should know well. We all can be judged on something in our life, big or small, as we are imperfect humans.
 
H.R. PufnStuf said:
Moved from debate- but debate forum rules to apply to this thread.
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quite a few bread posts that have nothing to do with the debate and are defamation of other chat users. maybe dont be partial for once? i reported the posts, hopefully you can do something about them. with the amount of his posts in this thread that are off-topic, i'd concur this is trolling and should be a locked thread, perhaps? c'mon H.R., if you're going to pander to crybaby bread's demands, don't be partial. it makes you look as much of a coward as he is. (feel free to edit this when bread reports it, or delete it altogether as it criticizes you as well H.R.)
 
Soundz123 said:
quite a few bread posts that have nothing to do with the debate and are defamation of other chat users. maybe dont be partial for once? i reported the posts, hopefully you can do something about them. with the amount of his posts in this thread that are off-topic, i'd concur this is trolling and should be a locked thread, perhaps? c'mon H.R., if you're going to pander to crybaby bread's demands, don't be partial. it makes you look as much of a coward as he is. (feel free to edit this when bread reports it, or delete it altogether as it criticizes you as well H.R.)
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These are the rules being applied here: https://forum.chat-avenue.com/threads/debate-forum-basic-rules-and-guidelines.3189/
 
2nd rule of debate forum states “open to all ages”

Get this out of adult forum. It’s literally the forum rules since they’re being applied.

@Apollo
 
Soundz123 said:
quite a few bread posts that have nothing to do with the debate and are defamation of other chat users. maybe dont be partial for once? i reported the posts, hopefully you can do something about them. with the amount of his posts in this thread that are off-topic, i'd concur this is trolling and should be a locked thread, perhaps? c'mon H.R., if you're going to pander to crybaby bread's demands, don't be partial. it makes you look as much of a coward as he is. (feel free to edit this when bread reports it, or delete it altogether as it criticizes you as well H.R.)
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Like this post violating rule 3 off topic and rule 1 debating user not topic. Youre just big mad you got called out on your zionist anti palestine rant and made fun off dead children
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-Luka said:
2nd rule of debate forum states “open to all ages”

Get this out of adult forum. It’s literally the forum rules since they’re being applied.

@Apollo
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ink and cry wanted in here, i dont see the point either theres literally another thread talking about sexwork not removed in there except inkandcry didnt complain about it to try to silence me.
 
If the staff cant behave like adults what makes you think users are going to behave like adults?

Cant even have a good old debate thread anymore.
 
Akrta said:
This is exactly why I stop making threads. I gave up on forums.
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But you promised to express yer love fer me lol publicly - is this why I lose coz of HR? again? lol hahahahaha!

I deal with him!

Bread. said:
If the staff cant behave like adults what makes you think users are going to behave like adults?

Cant even have a good old debate thread anymore.
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Are you saying the forums are over modoated?
 
I know sex workers personally.

I know women and men who do it. Can it be dangerous, yes, can it be liberating? Also yes. I've seen friends fall on both sides of the scale here.

If people are consensually partaking, are of age, and are of sound mind, then it is nobody else's business. Who anyone chooses to have sex with is a personal choice (as I said, CONSENSUAL, OF AGE) and if they choose to pay for it or charge for it, then who am I to judge them? Some people do O-Fans for the sheer enjoyment of their exhibitionism, some do it to give their children a better school, to buy a better house. My friend escorts because she works three nights a week and pulls in over 3k a month on her regulars alone. She never went to college or university, she enjoys being wined and dined and she's been lucky to find regulars who are "safe" and generous.

I'd actually argue we need safer places for this to happen so we can gain tax, and ensure safety of those involved (testing, drug rehabilitation, security etc). Only fans makes it a little safer in a way, with many choosing never to meet customers, but it isn't where the majority of the help needs to be directed, it's street prostitution and brothels.

So in answer: Live and let live. You do not have the right to judge. Most people are three pay checks away from poverty, so who is to say how far you'll go to keep a roof over your head, or to feed your children.

Inkandtatts said:
PS. Didn’t Jesus associate with a prostitute? Maybe he was a sweaty hideous old man too
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Yes, yes he did.
 
Hang on, Jesus associated with a prostitute because of she came to Him for and as the account states it was not for personal sex.

There's a difference.
 
Louize said:
I know sex workers personally.

I know women and men who do it. Can it be dangerous, yes, can it be liberating? Also yes. I've seen friends fall on both sides of the scale here.

If people are consensually partaking, are of age, and are of sound mind, then it is nobody else's business. Who anyone chooses to have sex with is a personal choice (as I said, CONSENSUAL, OF AGE) and if they choose to pay for it or charge for it, then who am I to judge them? Some people do O-Fans for the sheer enjoyment of their exhibitionism, some do it to give their children a better school, to buy a better house. My friend escorts because she works three nights a week and pulls in over 3k a month on her regulars alone. She never went to college or university, she enjoys being wined and dined and she's been lucky to find regulars who are "safe" and generous.

I'd actually argue we need safer places for this to happen so we can gain tax, and ensure safety of those involved (testing, drug rehabilitation, security etc). Only fans makes it a little safer in a way, with many choosing never to meet customers, but it isn't where the majority of the help needs to be directed, it's street prostitution and brothels.

So in answer: Live and let live. You do not have the right to judge. Most people are three pay checks away from poverty, so who is to say how far you'll go to keep a roof over your head, or to feed your children.
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So if you can judge yourself for doing this or not then you can judge others with the same morality. Should you? probably not. But it sets a "standard" that you have to either agree with or disagree with morally. Though i agree applying that standard to others is a little more complex because it also encompasses other aspects like subjectivity and empathy etc
 
Bread. said:
This is not a necessity it is a choice.
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God gave us free will and he will be the ultimate decider, whatever your personal views are

Praise the Lord our God and his son Jesus Christ and God Almighty

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Bread. said:

ink and cry wanted in here
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In the interests of getting back on topic, it wasn't him(if its Inks you're suggesting) Other Staff objected to the content/subject in a 13+ forum, and was insistent it be moved. I don't think it needed to moved- but as I said I understood the concern and it seemed like a reasonable compromise.
 
They willingly do sex work (like CORN) for the promise of money
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Most "prostitutes" a term used in OP are working the streets. They do so at great risk to themselves, through violence, and risk to others, through the transmission of STD's. They are themselves exploited, and they exploit others.

A LOT of street workers (prob most in fact) are not hooking to feed kids or paying rent. They are feeding the avails of predatory pimps, and they are feeding their addiction, as a lot- if not most are junkies.

Now if all prostitutes were "escorts" and had safe venues, health care, payed taxes (the sanitized version of "prostitution" ) all one could do if so inclined would be to make a moral judgement, ie is selling your body a moral act? Who does it harm?

Everyone who holds a job to one degree or another, is a wage slave, renting our bodies to toil for others- but selling the body for the gratification of another? It just seems, wrong. But in the "escort" example it might provide some sort of use to society.

(I have little sympathy for adult film actors- because it is becoming well known there is link between corn and sexual violence towards women. )


Jesus, The Good Shephered while trying to teach sinners(such as tax collectors and prostitutes) often did so without resorting to public humilation.
 
Speaking for myself, I take my hat off to sex workers, regardless of their genders and such sh!t. One provides a service, one is rewarded. There are obviously people forced into it but that's another topic. Yes?

Yes.

Good.

I mean, if one is good at sex and can make a living from it then I say spread "em wide baby!

Obviously it would be far better if legalised and taxed, but humanity is biased, which will never change, unfortunately.

Respect for all, that's all.
 
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