Are people born gay or are they made

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There is no gay gene.
There are genes that contribute to sexuality but there is no gene that says this person is chosen to be gay.

The study you cited did not even ask the participants about what their sexual preference was, only their sexual behavior.

Since everyone here argues that sexuality can change willy nilly.

Not only but it also concluded that genetic twins often have completely different sexual preferences.
Just a question. For someone who has so many questions/concerns about homosexuality, why do you have rainbow colors on your pfp? 😏
 
Twice you've been given science to go and look into, twice you've not given any citations and merely said "no u wrong I right" in a round about, caveman-like way.

You're not very good at this are you, @Bread.
I've cited in my on words the conclusion of the scientific study.

Just a question. For someone who has so many questions/concerns about homosexuality, why do you have rainbow colors on your pfp? 😏
Why do you have a pic of Darth Vader?
 
The real question is does it really matter? What matters to me is how I lead my life...Not how someone else does... I've never felt attraction to the opposite sex, so I could argue I was born this way. I don't recall a moment when I chose to feel this way.

There are times Id rather not be lesbian. Who would choose to be in a minority of people where the pool of potential partners is quite limited? Theres no other gay girls where I live.

Having said that I am not concerned if I was born or developed being lesbian.

yes I know this is a Troll thread and I should not have answered...but I was born to reply to troll threads....
 
Even when presented with evidence the fool refuses to see. I'm going to bail out on this thread. Someone only wants it open so they can argue.
I responded (in my own words) to the Biobank/23andme study you cited(evidence). Ironically I used the same journal you used to tell me about 5 gay genes to back up my own responses.

Let me cite my responses. As well as the responses from scientific studies.
There is no gay gene.
There are genes that contribute to sexuality but there is no gene that says this person is chosen to be gay.
"But taken together, these five genes explained less than 1 percent of the differences in sexual activity among people in the study. When the researchers looked at the overall genetic similarity of individuals who had had a same-sex experience, genetics seemed to account for between 8 and 25 percent of the behavior"

“We found that the genetic variants associated with having had same-sex partners are also associated with having more opposite-sex partners in people who’ve never had a same-sex partner"

The study you cited did not even ask the participants about what their sexual preference was, only their sexual behavior.
"The researchers emphasize that their study dealt primarily with sexual experiences, not sexual orientation or identity"

"The downside of using these huge data sets was that the studies were not specifically designed to find genes for sexual preference, so we were limited by the questions participants happened to have been asked about their sexual behaviour. For both UK Biobank and 23andMe, participants reported whether they had ever had a same-sex sexual partner."

Not only that but it also concluded that genetic twins often have completely different sexual preferences.
"Across measures, heterosexual male twins responded more strongly to women than to men. Their homosexual co-twins showed an opposite pattern. Heterosexual female twins responded equally to both sexes, whereas their homosexual co-twins responded somewhat more to women than men. These differences within pairs were similar to differences between unrelated heterosexual and homosexual males and females. Our study provides physiological evidence confirming twins’ discordant sexual orientations, thereby supporting the importance of the non-shared environment for the development of sexual orientation and sexual arousal."

So back to your exerpt,

Your 5 "gay genes" only accounted for as little as 8% to 25% of the gay population.

Much more, those same 5 "gay genes" that were a commonality in homosexuals, were also found amongst heteros.

Genetic Twins, despite having the same genetic code (5 gay genes), somehow develop different sexual orientations.

Religion aside,
the science and evidence cited above strongly suggests that people aren't born gay.

If people were born gay, darwinism(natural selection) would have wiped gays out thousand of years ago since gays can't reproduce.

So if people aren't born gay then how do they become gay? The answer is probably environmental factors outside of their genetics (like Sinning and Satan, grooming, drag story hour, BDSM parades for children, etc)
 
So if people aren't born gay then how do they become gay? The answer is probably environmental factors outside of their genetics (like Sinning and Satan, grooming, drag story hour, BDSM parades for children, etc)
BDSM parades for children? The hell you talking about mate? If you really think that being gay is spread around from exposure like a virus, then you'd think you'd be more concerned about the massive number of religious clergy who molest kids... but nope, keep going on about your fake culture war.

Also you never explained why the hell it's your business what consenting people do behind closed doors.
 
So if people aren't born gay then how do they become gay? The answer is probably environmental factors outside of their genetics (like Sinning and Satan, grooming, drag story hour, BDSM parades for children, etc)
Hands up gays, how many of you met satan? (Don’t think I ever have) How many were turned by drag story hour (didn’t even exist when I was a kid), how many went on or were subjected to a BDSM parade? (Never heard of them), how many were groomed to be gay? (Quite the opposite for me - my family weren’t keen on same sex relationships)

Religion aside,
Turns to…
Sinning and Satan
🙄
 
Hands up gays, how many of you met satan? (Don’t think I ever have) How many were turned by drag story hour (didn’t even exist when I was a kid), how many went on or were subjected to a BDSM parade? (Never heard of them), how many were groomed to be gay? (Quite the opposite for me - my family weren’t keen on same sex relationships)


Turns to…

🙄

Put your hate aside and take the time to read.
Religion aside,
the science and evidence cited above
 
You start off “religion aside…the science…” and however much you highlight the word “above” in yellow, you still blabber on about religious beings after saying “religion aside”

You can’t even debate straight
 
That means there's no religion in the science cited above not that I'm going to stop talking about religion.
 
BDSM parades for children? The hell you talking about mate?
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If you really think that being gay is spread around from exposure like a virus, then you'd think you'd be more concerned about the massive number of religious clergy who molest kids... but nope, keep going on about your fake culture war.
My faith is with God not clergies.

Why do you keep trying to pass the issue of gay grooming to clergies?
Also you never explained why the hell it's your business what consenting people do behind closed doors
I couldn't care less what you do behind closed doors.
 
My faith is with God not clergies.

Why do you keep trying to pass the issue of gay grooming to clergies?
Quite possibly because the sexual abuse inflicted by the Church (the House of God) far exceeds the abuse committed by any other group of people.

You can’t bring religion into any debate surrounding sex, sexuality, or morality when a decent proportion of those claiming to do God’s work inflict abuse on children who can’t speak up for themselves for fear of displeasing God

The devil salivates in searing hatred against God's praise.
All that suppressed desire. You sound incredibly kinky while you’re salivating. Let it all out but not here please since forums is 13+
 
Quite possibly because the sexual abuse inflicted by the Church (the House of God) far exceeds the abuse committed by any other group of people.

You can’t bring religion into any debate surrounding sex, sexuality, or morality when a decent proportion of those claiming to do God’s work inflict abuse on children who can’t speak up for themselves for fear of displeasing God

That is not Gods work that is Satan in sheep's clothing
All that suppressed desire. You sound incredibly kinky while you’re salivating. Let it all out but not here please since forums is 13+
Stop projecting
 
I responded (in my own words) to the Biobank/23andme study you cited(evidence). Ironically I used the same journal you used to tell me about 5 gay genes to back up my own responses.

Let me cite my responses. As well as the responses from scientific studies.

"But taken together, these five genes explained less than 1 percent of the differences in sexual activity among people in the study. When the researchers looked at the overall genetic similarity of individuals who had had a same-sex experience, genetics seemed to account for between 8 and 25 percent of the behavior"

“We found that the genetic variants associated with having had same-sex partners are also associated with having more opposite-sex partners in people who’ve never had a same-sex partner"


"The researchers emphasize that their study dealt primarily with sexual experiences, not sexual orientation or identity"

"The downside of using these huge data sets was that the studies were not specifically designed to find genes for sexual preference, so we were limited by the questions participants happened to have been asked about their sexual behaviour. For both UK Biobank and 23andMe, participants reported whether they had ever had a same-sex sexual partner."


"Across measures, heterosexual male twins responded more strongly to women than to men. Their homosexual co-twins showed an opposite pattern. Heterosexual female twins responded equally to both sexes, whereas their homosexual co-twins responded somewhat more to women than men. These differences within pairs were similar to differences between unrelated heterosexual and homosexual males and females. Our study provides physiological evidence confirming twins’ discordant sexual orientations, thereby supporting the importance of the non-shared environment for the development of sexual orientation and sexual arousal."

So back to your exerpt,

Your 5 "gay genes" only accounted for as little as 8% to 25% of the gay population.

Much more, those same 5 "gay genes" that were a commonality in homosexuals, were also found amongst heteros.

Genetic Twins, despite having the same genetic code (5 gay genes), somehow develop different sexual orientations.

Religion aside,
the science and evidence cited above strongly suggests that people aren't born gay.

If people were born gay, darwinism(natural selection) would have wiped gays out thousand of years ago since gays can't reproduce.

So if people aren't born gay then how do they become gay? The answer is probably environmental factors outside of their genetics (like Sinning and Satan, grooming, drag story hour, BDSM parades for children, etc)
Environmental factors is not a fill in for social factors and socialization. Seemingly pedantic, but I hate that colloquial use.

Anyways, if you're gonna point to social contagion I'm gonna point to the left handedness.

There was a sharp increase and eventual plateau with people with left handedness. What happened was it became more socially acceptable and schools stopped correcting it.

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My faith is with God not clergies.

Why do you keep trying to pass the issue of gay grooming to clergies?
Because clergymen are the ones that are actually doing it commonly, but you're still going on about gay people. Makes me think you don't actually care about the kids all that much.

I'll admit that image is disgusting - but that's not 99% of gay people. If you wanna make a point against BDSM pride parades involving kids, then go for it, but your current point seems to be against gay people entirely.
 
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My faith is with God not clergies.

Why do you keep trying to pass the issue of gay grooming to clergies?

I couldn't care less what you do behind closed doors.
The source of this image btw is from 4 chan and the OP was a photo at a kink parade not at Pride and was distributed wildly by neo-nazis as a psyop.

Shared by idiots like ShoeOnHead who took the bait.
 
The source of this image btw is from 4 chan and the OP was a photo at a kink parade not at Pride and was distributed wildly by neo-nazis as a psyop.

Shared by idiots like ShoeOnHead who took the bait.

What is a child doing at a kink parade?
A child holding a pride flag.

Psyop!!!!



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You are bringing religion to the thread in sexuality forum. I posted on the wrong thread and deleted after I realized it was in error. Just shows how you much you are focused on attacking my religion


What is my error supposed to prove?
That you’re a hypocrite. You realised that then deleted your post.

Does God make anyone gay?
The answer is no. Homosexuality, and any immoral desires are a result of SIN. This sin can be passed down through your childhood but that doesn't make it okay.
Post #1. You started off the thread talking about the guy you’re in a relationship with so it’s 100% about religion
 
That you’re a hypocrite. You realised that then deleted your post.


Post #1. You started off the thread talking about the guy you’re in a relationship with so it’s 100% about religion
Are you dumb?

This thread has religion in it from post 1


This one does not. Yet you still wanted to add it because you are hateful..

I thought I was responding to that thread, not this one. Because you are spamming both.

How is this a gotcha moment?
 
I love women that's why I only have sex with them, not men and certainly not any other LGBT that labels itself a woman
 
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I find it funny how the only people responding to this post are gay

Go ahead and spin that off

Some people are clearly asshurt.
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I find it funny how the only people responding to this post are gay

Go ahead and spin that off

Some people are clearly asshurt.
Shark Tank Lol GIF by ABC Network

no,

i assure u my boy that i'm quite happy, i just think ur obsession with all things homosexual speaks volumes of ur true sexuality & sexual nature...
 
Under your same logic you should assume people constantly talking about adults raping kids are also projecting their true nature.
 
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Are you dumb?

If being dumb is identifying that an absolute melon can whine about mixing religion with sexuality but then do the same himself elsewhere, then yeah I’ll happily wear that cap.

How is this a gotcha moment?

It isn’t. Don’t judge everybody by your own crusty, half-baked yet stale ideas. I don’t look for “gotcha moments”. I see a sad internet troll being hypocritical.


I find it funny how the only people responding to this post are gay

Go ahead and spin that off

Some people are clearly asshurt.
A decent percentage of gays like being asshurt, as you well know. Perhaps you engage in a little solo asshurting

I love women that's why I only have sex with them, not men
Christ on a bike. Where to start…

If it’s true that you’ve had sex at all with a woman then presumably to comply with your Father’s wishes then you’ve married those women while being in a relationship with and worshiping your Father
 
If being dumb is identifying that an absolute melon can whine about mixing religion with sexuality but then do the same himself elsewhere, then yeah I’ll happily wear that cap.



It isn’t. Don’t judge everybody by your own crusty, half-baked yet stale ideas. I don’t look for “gotcha moments”. I see a sad internet troll being hypocritical.



A decent percentage of gays like being asshurt, as you well know. Perhaps you engage in a little solo asshurting


Christ on a bike. Where to start…

If it’s true that you’ve had sex at all with a woman then presumably to comply with your Father’s wishes then you’ve married those women while being in a relationship with and worshiping your Father
So far you've said I'm a virgin, I'm gay, I'm a homophobe, I'm straight, I'm a rapist, I'm a ****

Are you mentally ill?
 
So far you've said I'm a virgin, I'm gay, I'm a homophobe, I'm straight, I'm a rapist, I'm a ****

Are you mentally ill?
I’ve not said any of that other than suggesting that you may be a gay homophobe which it seems a lot of people agree with me on.

I’m sure you’ll work out all your issues and that your mental health will improve no end when you do so.
 
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