Are people born gay or are they made

[Bread.]

There has been arguments that propose a person is or can be born gay. Some gay people claim "they're born this way".

There was a scientific study done that concluded genetics have little to no role in sexual orientation. (Science which I can link for non trolls). So if genetics don't play a VITAL role in someone's sexuality. Then it stands to reason influences outside biology do. Like the devil and sinful parents who are influencing children as young as infants to immoral sexualities.

LGBT people will argue that it's a healthy happy lifestyle but the statistics argue otherwise. 78% of male homosexuals have or have had STDS. They are 23x more likely to contract an STD over a heterosexual. Their average lifespan is only 42 years old. Lesbians are 14x more likely to contract syphilis. Trans suicide rate is over 50%

Is this what is considered normal and healthy?

Does God make anyone gay?
The answer is no. Homosexuality, and any immoral desires are a result of SIN. This sin can be passed down through your childhood but that doesn't make it okay.

Is being gay a choice?
I'll answer that with an example.

Have you ever felt attracted do the same sex? Have you ever felt like doing something sinful, or immoral? Have you ever felt like commiting acts of violence? If the answer is yes then there is nothing wrong with that because emotions are what makes us human.

However, just because we feel a certain way, does not mean we should act on those destructive and sinful feelings.

Now ask yourself again whether this a choice, whether being gay is a choice?

The only answer to avoid making the wrong choices and living a life of sin, is God.

 

[.Princessa]

I believe this Yes you can be born Gay. Now sometimes you can choose whatever you want to be. I was born straight. God made everyone just the way he wanted too. We are all made in Gods hands. However we are all are that the way God wanted us to be. We are all perfectly made in Gods hands. People are born just like they are supposed to be. I believe God made them just they way they are. No one is the same. We are different made from God. God did not make any mistakes on any of us. God can make you straight. God can make you BI. God can make you gay. God made you just the way you are. This is my own opinion. I love everybody, just like God loves us ALL. Enough said!

There has been arguments that propose a person is or can be born gay. Some gay people claim "they're born this way".

There was a scientific study done that concluded genetics have little to no role in sexual orientation. (Science which I can link for non trolls). So if genetics don't play a VITAL role in someone's sexuality. Then it stands to reason influences outside biology do. Like the devil and sinful parents who are influencing children as young as infants to immoral sexualities.

LGBT people will argue that it's a healthy happy lifestyle but the statistics argue otherwise. 78% of male homosexuals have or have had STDS. They are 23x more likely to contract an STD over a heterosexual. Their average lifespan is only 42 years old. Lesbians are 14x more likely to contract syphilis. Trans suicide rate is over 50%

Is this what is considered normal and healthy?

Does God make anyone gay?
The answer is no. Homosexuality, and any immoral desires are a result of SIN. This sin can be passed down through your childhood but that doesn't make it okay.

Is being gay a choice?
I'll answer that with an example.

Have you ever felt attracted do the same sex? Have you ever felt like doing something sinful, or immoral? Have you ever felt like commiting acts of violence? If the answer is yes then there is nothing wrong with that because emotions are what makes us human.

However, just because we feel a certain way, does not mean we should act on those destructive and sinful feelings.

Now ask yourself again whether this a choice, whether being gay is a choice?

The only answer to avoid making the wrong choices and living a life of sin, is God.

 

[TheDifference]

Another sad example of this user couching his bigotry and homophobia in the guise of a “debate” thread. I hope the forum staff keep a close eye on this thread. Thank you @Ness_eb @Samwise 👍🏻

 

[DarthErica]

Another sad example of this user couching his bigotry and homophobia in the guise of a “debate” thread. I hope the forum staff keep a close eye on this thread. Thank you @Ness_eb @Samwise 👍🏻

I wish. A certain someone always says that these things are debatable. And hence it’s allowed to continue

 

[Deleted member 263960]

Another sad example of this user couching his bigotry and homophobia in the guise of a “debate” thread. I hope the forum staff keep a close eye on this thread. Thank you @Ness_eb @Samwise 👍🏻

Thanks, we will make sure if (and more likely when) this goes off the rails it get's sorted.

 

[Bread.]

This is a violation of debate thread rules #1 and #3. Do not debate individuals and stick to the topic.

If you don't like the debate then get the fk out or block. It's that simple.

 

[Bread.]

I think I might post a thread that says Hitler was right. Technically it’s a debatable topic right?

If that's what you want to debate then go right ahead.

Because that’s what we do here right? Even tho Hitler was the most evil human ever to live and to disagree with the fact that the holocaust was real is despicable on its own merit, This is the crap that I’m trying to bring attention to! @Samwise why do you allow this garbage to flourish?

Yes that's what we do here, debate topics and ideas. Not the individual posting them.

Not everything is a debatable topic. Some things just need to be shut down and not allow hate and bigotry to flourish

You can shut me off by hitting the ignore button but you crave my attention.

 

[Bread.]

I believe this Yes you can be born Gay. Now sometimes you can choose whatever you want to be. I was born straight. God made everyone just the way he wanted too. We are all made in Gods hands. However we are all are that the way God wanted us to be. We are all perfectly made in Gods hands. People are born just like they are supposed to be. I believe God made them just they way they are. No one is the same. We are different made from God. God did not make any mistakes on any of us. God can make you straight. God can make you BI. God can make you gay. God made you just the way you are. This is my own opinion. I love everybody, just like God loves us ALL. Enough said!

This is true as were born in the image of god but God also gave us free will.

 

[.Princessa]

This is true as were born in the image of god but God also gave us free will.

Okay!

 

[Icarium]

Since most rightwing Christians see God as a HE, does that make male Christians gay for loving God?

 

[Bread.]

Since most rightwing Christians see God as a HE, does that make male Christians gay for loving God?

Buddhism, Catholics, Christianity, Islam, Presbyterians, Orthodox Judaism, Mormons just to name a few all detest homosexuality.

God is our heavenly Father that's why those pronouns are used.

Does loving your father make you gay?

Is your response to this is going to be, "well if loving your father doesn't make you gay then why does it make gay people gay?" Why is it homosexual love is forbidden but not loving your father if he's a man?

 

[Inkandtatts]

God is our heavenly Father that's why those pronouns are used.

Does loving your father make you gay?

Erm, in your case, yes...

First and foremost I am in a relationship with God.

As God is presumably male based on the pronoun choice and, as he's your "heavenly father", (assuming you're male) it's arguable that anyone that claims they're in a relationship with God is in fact in a homosexual relationship with their father.

Like the devil and sinful parents who are influencing children as young as infants to immoral sexualities.

As you like to proselytize, that would also suggest that you are passing onto the children and infants that it's appropriate to worship a man, call him your "heavenly father", pray to him, beg him for forgiveness, and have a relationship with said father.

The only answer to avoid making the wrong choices and living a life of sin, is God.

God is male, requires everyone to pray to him, to beg to him, to be called "father", and various other unusual sounding things. This sounds like something that belongs in taboo room in Adult Chat and the vibe I get is that, as long as a kinky father/son roleplay while begging and praying is done to someone called God, it's okay. If you want to do that, that's totally okay.


The sermon delivered in the first post, framed in the way that it has been, isn't really a debate or a debatable issue. It pre-supposes far too much and is loaded with bigotry, more dodgy stats than Trump and his team spurt out, and sounds like another one of the OP's weird fantasies.

However...

Born gay, choose to be gay? God made me gay? I don't know. I don't really care. It makes no difference. The time that religion dictated the way people should live their lives went out in the middle of the last century in this country (unless people wish to live that way and that's their choice) so it's an irrelevant, out-dated, has-been debate that produces no fruitful outcome and is debated only by those with nothing much better to do

The whole religious slant on sexuality has been debated to the death. For every biblical verse that can be found on one side of the argument, another can be found on the opposing side but Matthew 22:35–40 sums it all up perfectly. Whether I believe in God or not makes no difference to the view that Christianity promotes loving your neighbour above all else. Those that use God or Christianity to further their own agenda should remember Exodus 20:7 and I'm pretty sure that breaking that would be frowned upon by the Almighty

 

[babydolla]

IDK which is gayer tbh,

being born gay, or choosing to be gay…

 

[Finn2.0]

It’s also possible “gay” is an STI considering the way @Inkandtatts keeps trying to pass it onto me

 

[SouporMan]

Whelp I know he’s trolling for a response….

but if it’s all gods plan, and he knows the beginning and then I would say destiny would assume their sexuality from the start… so born gay.

In psychology we went over a study that was in its youth, but there was a gene that was linked to homosexuality. More so the shape.

All in all no one comes out of the womb looking for their preferred gender, but if this develops or not, it doesn’t matter.

 

[MissMotive]

@Bread. Really? I didn’t know my half assed comment would result in a full debate.

 

[Inkandtatts]

It’s also possible “gay” is an STI considering the way @Inkandtatts keeps trying to pass it onto me

Gotta spread the g-a-y

@Bread. Really? I didn’t know my half assed comment would result in a full debate.

Now I understand. He’s all about wanting the whole ass rather than half an ass

 

[Bread.]

Erm, in your case, yes...

As God is presumably male based on the pronoun choice and, as he's your "heavenly father", (assuming you're male) it's arguable that anyone that claims they're in a relationship with God is in fact in a homosexual relationship with their father.

Do you have sex with your dad? (Assuming your dad isn't gay)

As you like to proselytize, that would also suggest that you are passing onto the children and infants that it's appropriate to worship a man, call him your "heavenly father", pray to him, beg him for forgiveness, and have a relationship with said father.

God is not a man, he is our creator. We do not worship a man we worship God

Why isn't it appropriate to teach your children to live an ethical and moral lifestyle? Because that's what the data suggests of your immoral lifestyle.

God is male, requires everyone to pray to him, to beg to him, to be called "father", and various other unusual sounding things. This sounds like something that belongs in taboo room in Adult Chat and the vibe I get is that, as long as a kinky father/son roleplay while begging and praying is done to someone called God, it's okay. If you want to do that, that's totally okay.

God is not male. For a gay person I think you of all people would know the difference between sex and pronouns.

The sermon delivered in the first post, framed in the way that it has been, isn't really a debate or a debatable issue. It pre-supposes far too much and is loaded with bigotry, more dodgy stats than Trump and his team spurt out, and sounds like another one of the OP's weird fantasies.

However...

Born gay, choose to be gay? God made me gay? I don't know. I don't really care. It makes no difference. The time that religion dictated the way people should live their lives went out in the middle of the last century in this country (unless people wish to live that way and that's their choice) so it's an irrelevant, out-dated, has-been debate that produces no fruitful outcome and is debated only by those with nothing much better to do.The whole religious slant on sexuality has been debated to the death. For every biblical verse that can be found on one side of the argument, another can be found on the opposing side but Matthew 22:35–40 sums it all up perfectly. Whether I believe in God or not makes no difference to the view that Christianity promotes loving your neighbour above all else. Those that use God or Christianity to further their own agenda should remember Exodus 20:7 and I'm pretty sure that breaking that would be frowned upon by the Almighty

So why are you debating it, if not that you are also a person with nothing much better to do.

 

[SerenityMoon]

I would lean to believing that people are born in to their sexual preferences. Whether that is to the same or opposite sex or to a certain body style or hair color or what not. I don't think that is something you just "change".

 

[-Luka]

God is not male.

Uses male pronouns.

 

[Bread.]

Whelp I know he’s trolling for a response….

but if it’s all gods plan, and he knows the beginning and then I would say destiny would assume their sexuality from the start… so born gay.

In psychology we went over a study that was in its youth, but there was a gene that was linked to homosexuality. More so the shape.

All in all no one comes out of the womb looking for their preferred gender, but if this develops or not, it doesn’t matter.

It matters in the eyes of the Lord because he does not want his children to live a sinful and destructive lifestyle. But God didn't create you to be a slave. Forcing someone to be your slave is not love. He chose to give you free will so you can make your own choices.

Just like the choices you make in this country can have punishment, so can the choices that will keep will keep you out of kingdom of heaven.

 

[SerenityMoon]

Reading the other posts in the thread, I do not think there is a distinction or commonality to sexual preferences and religion. Religion is a belief system and sexual attraction is a biological reaction to stimuli. You can be both gay and religious be it Judaism Protestant or Catholicism Muslim or what ever you chosen faith is.

 

[Inkandtatts]

Do you have sex with your dad? (Assuming your dad isn't gay)

Nope, but I've also not said I'm in a relationship with him like you did about your "heavenly father"

God is not a man, he is our creator. We do not worship a man we worship God

How can you be in a relationship with someone you refer to as "he" who is your creator, without it being a gay relationship?

Why isn't it appropriate to teach your children to live an ethical and moral lifestyle?

It's absolutely appropriate to teach children to live an ethical lifestyle. I would teach children to "love thy neighbour". You would teach them to worship, pray to, and beg for forgiveness from the "he" that you're in a relationship with.

God is not male. For a gay person I think you of all people would know the difference between sex and pronouns.

What gender is God? Why do you use male pronouns to refer to it?

So why are you debating it, if not that you are also a person with nothing much better to do.

Just like you, I wasn't debating anything. I was responding to your horseshit bigotry.

Do you want to see your children dying of AIDS or shooting their head off? Because that's what the data suggests of your immoral lifestyle.

The data that you probably sourced from Westboro.

You post much more gay/trans stuff on here than anyone else. It's pretty clear the purpose is because you're in the closet, probably had deeply religious parents who brought you up to believe that being gay is bad which has led to some self-loathing on your part. You use this as an outlet to vent your frustrations and the internal battle between your homophobia and revealing your true gay self. There are plenty of studies that show this and you're a classic case. Who in their right mind goes around an internet chat room guessing the sexuality of the members there and making a graphic on it other than someone that has a deep-rooted attraction to non-heterosexuals.

It matters in the eyes of the Lord because he does not want his children to live a sinful and destructive lifestyle. But God didn't create you to be a slave.

The Lord that you claim isn't male but you refer to as "he", who has children - and as you banged on about in another thread, children can only be created by males and females. You can't even be consistent

#MasturbatorNotMasterDebater

Edit: Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40 Bread. You have no chance of getting into that Kingdom of Heaven you refer to. Straight to hell for you, my guy

Edit2: I found Bread's gay crush. The father he refers to is none other than David Prowse. Good on you, Bread. He's not my type but I can see why he'd be yours

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[Bread.]

I would lean to believing that people are born in to their sexual preferences. Whether that is to the same or opposite sex or to a certain body style or hair color or what not. I don't think that is something you just "change".

It's totally plausible to be born to a life of sin.
Ever heard the term "sins of our fathers"?

It's not your fault to be born into that life but there is much you can do to change it. You always have a choice

Reading the other posts in the thread, I do not think there is a distinction or commonality to sexual preferences and religion. Religion is a belief system and sexual attraction is a biological reaction to stimuli. You can be both gay and religious be it Judaism Protestant or Catholicism Muslim or what ever you chosen faith is.

You can't claim to be part of a belief system and not follow it's beliefs though.

I mean you can claim it but it doesn't make it true






Sexual attraction is not sexuality.

 

[MissMotive]

Did someone say daddy? 😇

Please note, this is not a confession of incest nor an encouragement for anyone else to engage. Merely being a perv.

 

[Finn2.0]

Did someone say daddy? 😇

Please note, this is not a confession of incest nor an encouragement for anyone else to engage. Merely being a perv.

Ho

 

[MissMotive]

Ho

Yeah you are

 

[Bread.]

Nope, but I've also not said I'm in a relationship with him like you did about your "heavenly father"

How can you be in a relationship with someone you refer to as "he" who is your creator, without it being a gay relationship?

Spiritual relationship is not a romantic or sexual one. That's the difference.

It's absolutely appropriate to teach children to live an ethical lifestyle. I would teach children to "love thy neighbour". You would teach them to worship, pray to, and beg for forgiveness from the "he" that you're in a relationship with.

I like how you omitted immoral out of your lifestyle. It's almost like you know that you know is wrong and immoral.

What gender is God? Why do you use male pronouns to refer to it?

God is not a male.
God is spiritual
God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

Just like you, I wasn't debating anything. I was responding to your horseshit bigotry.

The data that you probably sourced from Westboro.

The data was sourced from the CDC.
The national public health agency for the United States.

HIV Among Gay and Bisexual Men in the U.S. | Fact Sheets | Newsroom | NCHHSTP | CDC

Your Connection to the Latest HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, STD and TB News at CDC

www.cdc.gov

You post much more gay/trans stuff on here than anyone else. It's pretty clear the purpose is because you're in the closet, probably had deeply religious parents who brought you up to believe that being gay is bad which has led to some self-loathing on your part. You use this as an outlet to vent your frustrations and the internal battle between your homophobia and revealing your true gay self. There are plenty of studies that show this and you're a classic case. Who in their right mind goes around an internet chat room guessing the sexuality of the members there and making a graphic on it other than someone that has a deep-rooted attraction to non-heterosexuals.

My parents aren't deeply religious, in fact they changed religion at one point in their life.

I am not gay.

The Lord that you claim isn't male but you refer to as "he", who has children - and as you banged on about in another thread, children can only be created by males and females. You can't even be consistent

Just like he is our father we are his children.

Ever heard of a metaphor?

It implies I am spiritually his child not biologically. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about spirituality though.

#MasturbatorNotMasterDebater

Edit: Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40 Bread. You have no chance of getting into that Kingdom of Heaven you refer to. Straight to hell for you, my guy

Edit2: I found Bread's gay crush. The father he refers to is none other than David Prowse. Good on you, Bread. He's not my type but I can see why he'd be yours

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? Is this some attempt at making a personal insult. Not sure what Darth Vader has to do with this debate

 

[Inkandtatts]

God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

Spiritual relationship is not a romantic or sexual one. That's the difference.

Not sure what Darth Vader has to do with this debate

You only spiritually want to have a relationship with your father. Great.

You posted a gif of Darth Vader saying “I am your father”.

You have a real thing for fathers. Some real father/son kink going on there

Just like he is our father we are his children

^^^ and you’re in a relationship with your father. Your words, not mine.

Ever heard of a metaphor?

It implies I am spiritually his child not biologically. I wouldn't expect you to know anything about spirituality though.

Yeah. I hear it a lot actually. A lot of pedos and incest obsessed people I ban have the same argument.

78% of male homosexuals have or have had STDS. They are 23x more likely to contract an STD over a heterosexual. Their average lifespan is only 42 years old. Lesbians are 14x more likely to contract syphilis. Trans suicide rate is over 50%

The data was sourced from the CDC. The national public health agency for the United States.

I call BS. That link doesn’t give those stats at all.

 

[LostCause.]

Y'all be acting like the gay is contagious, which would mean one is made gay. But what came first, the chicken or the egg? How did the first gay get infected with the gay? Perhaps they were #bornthisway.

 

[-Luka]

Proud to be one of the 22% of gay men not to have ever had an std. nor currently have one. 💅

 

[Bread.]

Y'all be acting like the gay is contagious, which would mean one is made gay. But what came first, the chicken or the egg? How did the first gay get infected with the gay? Perhaps they were #bornthisway.

Read the chapter of Genesis.

God created only 1 man and 1 woman on earth. Therefore it would have been logically impossible for homosexuality to exist.

But the devil has always been here since the inception of man. After all it was temptation that led Eve to eat from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Satan made them believe a lie, much like Satan is still letting you believe a lie that homosexuality is ok. So every part of your life you are faced with the same decisions. To believe the truth of God; your creator, or Satan's lies.

If that doesn't answer your question.

Sin exists since the moment Adam and Eve went against God's rules and ate from the tree of knowledge. Sin can be generational(sins of our fathers). Homosexuality is a sin.

That is "how the first gay got infected with gay"

 

[Inkandtatts]

Read the chapter of Genesis.

God created only 1 man and 1 woman on earth. Therefore it would have been logically impossible for homosexuality to exist.

But the devil has always been here since the inception of man. After all it was temptation that led Eve to eat from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Satan made them believe a lie, much like Satan is still letting you believe a lie that homosexuality is ok. So every part of your life you are faced with the same decisions. To believe the truth of God; your creator, or Satan's lies.

If that doesn't answer your question.

Sin exists since the moment Adam and Eve went against God's rules and ate from the tree of knowledge. Sin can be generational(sins of our fathers). Homosexuality is a sin.

That is "how the first gay got infected with gay"

Read Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40. They both trump all that bullcrap you just spouted and any good Christian would know that

 

[Deleted member 263960]

If you really want to argue and use the bible, whatever- but comments that "homosexuality is immoral" is actually a direct attack based on orientation- which this site doesn't allow (in TOS) not to mention its a weak point because it's a circular argument.

Why don't you make a diff debate sometime arguing what is morality (and leave out protected groups)?

 

[Bread.]

You only spiritually want to have a relationship with your father. Great.

You posted a gif of Darth Vader saying “I am your father”.

You have a real thing for fathers. Some real father/son kink going on there

^^^ and you’re in a relationship with your father. Your words, not mine.

Yeah. I hear it a lot actually. A lot of pedos and incest obsessed people I ban have the same argument.

Pedos and incest obsessed people argue about spirituality with you?

Argue about metaphors?

Or

Are you trying to say I'm a **** and like incest but don't have the balls to say it.

I call BS. That link doesn’t give those stats at all.

It's plastered all over CDC.

 

[Bread.]

If you really want to argue and use the bible, whatever- but comments that "homosexuality is immoral" is actually a direct attack based on orientation- which this site doesn't allow (in TOS) not to mention its a weak point because it's a circular argument.

Why don't you make a diff debate sometime arguing what is morality (and leave out protected groups)?

Because people are attacking me (forum rules 1 and 3) and my religion (against tos>religion>protected group) so I'm forced to respond.

Nobody here has proven or made an argument that people are born gay other than soup, serenitymoon and princessa.

I used religion to elaborate why homosexuality is a choice, on the grounds of immorality.

Im elaborating why immorality goes hand in with choices like homosexuality.

The debate is about people being born gay or made gay.

Theyre using religion to form personal attacks calling me and my religion gay (since they know I'm not). Sounds like heterophobia to me.

Not using religion to elaborate why it isn't a choice.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

Because people are attacking me (forum rules 1 and 3) and my religion (against tos>religion>protected group) so I'm forced to respond.

Nobody here has proven or made an argument that people are born gay other than soup, serenitymoon and princessa.

I used religion to elaborate why homosexuality is a choice, on the grounds of immorality.

Im elaborating why immorality goes hand in with choices like homosexuality.

The debate is about people being born gay or made gay.

Theyre using religion to form personal attacks calling me and my religion gay (since they know I'm not). Sounds like heterophobia to me.

Not using religion to elaborate why it isn't a choice.

Protected groups can't be attacked simply on the basis they are that group.

 

[-Luka]

Protected groups can't be attacked simply on the basis they are that group.

yet he is being attacked for his debate.

Being straight comes under sexual orientation also.

 

[Bread.]

Protected groups can't be attacked simply on the basis they are that group.

If me saying homosexuality is immoral is considered hate speech because it favors my heterosexuality.

Then them saying homosexuality is moral is also hate speech because it favors their homosexuality.

 

[Chaotica_x0x]

Homosexuality as defined by same sex relations has cross culturally (though with different terms, some positive and some derogatory) and trans historically and is observable behavior across many species, so it exists in nature (nature is morally neutral and abhors a vacuum, but I'll leave that as an aside). I hate the equation with hard Determinism with biology (obviously environment (which humans can change ourselves) and epi/genetics have a complex interplay, effect the social, and aren't in direct opposition), so I won't make that here.

Immutable or not, variant sexualities between adult humans consensually practiced is not morally wrong, even if by choice or by the determines of biology, or sociality.

Such behaviors are affirming for bodily autonomy and by no means violates the harm principle, even if you find it "hits weird with your disgust reflexes and gastrointestinal moral sensibilities." There's a weird false equivalency between pleasure seeking behaviors that are in violation of another's bodily autonomy and sexual practices that are just deviant from hetero norms. Christians really need to get a grip on the harm principle then maybe they can actually deal with ACTUAL groomers and predation in the church (yes even protestant) that's statistically significant and institutionally covered for.

 

[Deleted member 263960]

yet he is being attacked for his debate.

Being straight comes under sexual orientation also.

im no human rights lawyer- but Im assuming hetero dont have the history of discrimination thus requiring protections. Im not part of this debate- I think we just all need to stop with the "you're immoral" no you are kind of posts.

 

[-Luka]

For the sake of the word bigot being thrown around Willy nilly I wouldn’t even mention anything trans related in this thread.

 

[-Luka]

im no human rights lawyer- but Im assuming hetero dont have the history of discrimination thus requiring protections. Im not part of this debate- I think we just all need to stop with the "you're immoral" no you are kind of posts.

No they don’t, no. However, for example if suddenly the Gay chat staff starter ostracising the straight moderator for “choosing” to be straight- then checkmate on my behalf.

It does happen. Don’t think British cigarettes aren’t as toxic as anyone else. You’ve seen how the GLB associate with minority grouos. It happens.

 

[-Luka]

I’m having chocolate spread fat fingers typos galore

 

[Inkandtatts]

Pedos and incest obsessed people argue about spirituality with you?

Argue about metaphors?

They claim that they don’t really mean that they’re in a relationship with their actual father, which is similar to what you did. You said someone was your father and that you’re in a relationship with him then said it was “spiritual”

Are you trying to say I'm a **** and like incest but don't have the balls to say it.

I’m not saying anything about any confessions you want to make. If that’s what you want to confess, I don’t think balls have anything to do with it.

It's plastered all over CDC

Post a link to where those stats are on CDC. You can’t because you use fake stats to make a pointless argument to push your own agenda.

 

[SerenityMoon]

I just love Bianca Del Rio

"Baloney!"​

 

[LostCause.]

Satan is still letting you believe... that homosexuality is ok.

You heard it here first kids. Hail Satan, he loves you and accepts your homosexual ways 💜.

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[Bread.]

They claim that they don’t really mean that they’re in a relationship with their actual father, which is similar to what you did. You said someone was your father and that you’re in a relationship with him then said it was “spiritual”

Funny how you can make the distinction of an actual father versus a metaphor but not when implying my relationship with God is homosexual.

I’m not saying anything about any confessions you want to make. If that’s what you want to confess, I don’t think balls have anything to do with it.

Asking you a question is a confession? In what planet?

Post a link to where those stats are on CDC. You can’t because you use fake stats to make a pointless argument to push your own agenda.

You are still going to call them "fake stats" because you don't like me. It's literally plastered all over the CDC that LGB groups STDs are more prevalent in nearly all categories

Read the surveillance report if you want numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/library/reports/surveillance/cdc-hiv-surveillance-supplemental-report-vol-27-3.pdf

Watch you completely dismiss this with some quick 3 word BALONEY response.

 

[Bread.]

You heard it here first kids. Hail Satan, he loves you and accepts your homosexual ways 💜.

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Nice try Satan, you have always had a wicked tongue full of lies. The satanic temple does not endorse you.

 

[Radiation]

1) What other people do behind closed doors that doesn't hurt anyone simply isn't your business.
2) If you can't respect that, and insult people and claim they're immoral because of it, then you're a shitty person.
3) If you use religion to back up your personal shittiness, you're even shittier.
4) For bonus points, Satan has a way lower kill count than God does according to the Bible. Worship a murderer? You do you...

 

[Bread.]

1 Don't care
2, 3 and 4 Look at your own points..

 

[Simply Karina]

3) If you use religion to back up your personal shittiness, you're even shittier.

Jesus said "Love everyone"

Furthermore, there is a special place in hell for those who use religion as a weapon. In fact, one of the few times Jesus ever got angry was because people would use religion as a "I'm better than you because I believe". If you believe like I do, Jesus never wanted to make us worship a religion and "prove ourselves. Going to church every Sunday and and even being baptized isnt even what gets you into Heaven. Your relationship with Christ and loving one another is the path. So people like that are indeed not also horrible, but doing the exact opposite of what they claim to believe.


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[Bread.]

Is this the title of this thread what is your opinion on Christianity?

 

[Bread.]

Jesus said "Love everyone"

Furthermore, there is a special place in hell for those who use religion as a weapon. In fact, one of the few times Jesus ever got angry was because people would use religion as a "I'm better than you because I believe". If you believe like I do, Jesus never wanted to make us worship a religion and "prove ourselves. Going to church every Sunday and and even being baptized isnt even what gets you into Heaven. Your relationship with Christ and loving one another is the path. So people like that are indeed not also horrible, but doing the exact opposite of what they claim to believe.


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For someone that knows a lot about Christ, do you not see what you are doing? Using memes to mock christ and using religion as a weapon?

 

[Inkandtatts]

It's literally plastered all over the CDC that LGB groups STDs are more prevalent in nearly all categories

Read the surveillance report if you want numbers.
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/library...surveillance-supplemental-report-vol-27-3.pdf

^^^ accurate stats. Good boy. You got there in the end

Are you trying to say I'm a **** and like incest but don't have the balls to say it.

Asking you a question is a confession? In what planet?

I didn’t say it was a confession. Perhaps the cause of this part of the discussion is just your poor grammar but you claim to have a reasonable level of intelligence so I didn’t assume that the omission of the word “you” on such a serious topic wasn’t intentional. That omission completely changed the meaning of the question though.

You brought religion into all this. You still haven’t addressed how your behaviour in this thread complies with Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40. I’ll help you: it doesn’t.

Your metaphorical father is going to be very upset with you. Perhaps praying to him and asking him for forgiveness will get your relationship back on track so that your metaphorical father will take you to heaven.

 

[Bread.]

You are still going to call them "fake stats" because you don't like me. It's literally plastered all over the CDC that LGB groups STDs are more prevalent in nearly all categoried. Read the surveillance report if you want numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/library/reports/surveillance/cdc-hiv-surveillance-supplemental-report-vol-27-3.pdf

Watch you completely dismiss this with some quick 3 word BALONEY response.

^^^ accurate stats. Good boy. You got there in the end

Did I not say you were going to completely dismiss the statistics, with some baloney 3 word response?

They're there. 138 pages of it. That's what you call "fake stats"?

Sounds like you got OWNED and refuse to accept the truth and reality.

I didn’t say it was a confession. Perhaps the cause of this part of the discussion is just your poor grammar but you claim to have a reasonable level of intelligence so I didn’t assume that the omission of the word “you” on such a serious topic wasn’t intentional. That omission completely changed the meaning of the question though.

You brought religion into all this. You still haven’t addressed how your behaviour in this thread complies with Exodus 20:7 and Matthew 22:35–40. I’ll help you: it doesn’t.

Your metaphorical father is going to be very upset with you. Perhaps praying to him and asking him for forgiveness will get your relationship back on track so that your metaphorical father will take you to heaven.

I brought religion to explain immorality and the CHOICE of being homosexual (thread topic)

What are you bringing it up for?(rhetorical question)other than to derail the topic with hate speech?

I'm done responding to someone that dismisses the truth, just to argue LOL. Can't even admit to getting OWNED.

Anyone else I'll respond to.

 

[Anonymooose]

I’m sorry for the interrupting but as God’s children, it’s not our place to cast judgement on our neighbours, is that correct? Aren’t we meant to be loving thy neighbour?

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "

 

[Inkandtatts]

Sounds like you got OWNED and refuse to accept the truth and reality.

Not only do you have a thing about fathers but you also have a thing about "getting owned". Some real suppression of feelings there which ironically supports the idea that people are born with their sexuality. Some of us embrace it and live happy lives. Others suppress it, become bitter, get obsessed with the person they call their father, and want to "own" people.

You absolutely violate Exodus 20:7 and I'm starting to think that you do it so that you'll be sent to hell to get "owned" there.

Were you born this way or did you choose it?

I brought religion to explain immorality and the CHOICE of being homosexual (thread topic)

Your arguments are contradictory and bigoted, and you fall back on religion to justify it. Religion has sweet FA to do with any of this. God's existence cannot be proven and neither can much of the contents of the bible so it's more than arguable that you're using a fantasy to worship your father (with whom you have said you are in a relationship) while pushing an agenda of self-loathing as a means to reconcile your suppressed feelings of your own sexuality with what you perceive to be the word of God

I understand now why you expressed an interest in modding Gay Chat and my response will have come as no surprise to you

 

[Bread.]

Were you born gay or did you choose to be gay

 

[Soundz123]

No one chooses to be gay they behave based on what their brain responds to, like everything else in life. Same thing with people who believe in "god" or don't believe. It's a brain response and will never be anything else. You can't think outside of your brain and can't make decisions, think, etc. without using it. All factors included, someone could respond to a "gay" attraction before a "heterosexual" attraction by the time sexuality matters and exists in their lifetime, never having a "straight" experience. No one starts off as any sexuality because it's not important to the human body until later in life.

With all that being said, I'm not defending any kind of person regardless of "identity" or sexuality and I still have plenty of reasons to dislike them.

 

[Chaotica_x0x]

Is this the title of this thread what is your opinion on Christianity?

You literally brought up Christianity in your original argument claiming creation to be an axiom and the existence of a Christian God as evidence that homosexuality is an immoral choice from the (unfalsifiable) "axiomatic existence."

You can expect a theological debate WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THEOLOGY.

Why are you like this?

 

[DontCostYaNuffin]

He’s making these kinds of threads at the expense of others, with the sole intention of eventually having them derailed, but when someone pokes fun at his personal background and beliefs, he’s up in arms and offended. It’s called selective indignation.

It’s funny how this guy keeps spouting bigoted drivel, but I bet you he’d be up in arms if someone would defend the conclusions of ‘The Bell Curve Study’, and rightly so, because it portrays Bread’s ethnic background in a far from favourable way.

‘The Bell Curve study’ is one of the most disingenuous, disgusting and racist studies ever to be published in recent years and was the published by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray in 1994. a study of the supposed intellectual differences between ethnic and racial groups, which can be considered the flimsiest kind of pseudo-science designed to promote a racist political agenda.

Bread, if you know what it’s like being part of a targeted group, then why are you being a complete and utter douchebag towards other targeted groups on here?

 

[babydolla]

if u choose to be gay,

wouldnt that make u gay all along???

 

[LostCause.]

Nice try Satan, you have always had a wicked tongue full of lies. The satanic temple does not endorse you.

I didn't say The Satanic Temple "endorsed" Satan. Based on what you said to me, I replied that Satan loves you and accepts your homosexual ways. The Satanic Temple however is also a fabulous ally to the LGBTQIA+ community, with the co-founder quoted saying, "[W]e will fight... to the death to ensure that there are equal rights for the gay community," on behalf of TST. #HailSatan.

 

[SerenityMoon]

I'm beautiful in my way 'cause God makes no mistakes
I'm on the right track, baby, I was born this way
Don't hide yourself in regret, just love yourself, and you're set
I'm on the right track, baby, I was born this way
Give yourself prudence and love your friends
Subway kid, rejoice your truth
In the religion of the insecure, I must be myself, respect my youth
A different lover is not a sin,

 

[Bread.]

if u choose to be gay,

wouldnt that make u gay all along???

Not really

Darth was a Jedi and then turned into sith lord

He turned into a sith lord by breaking the order of the jedi

 

[Bread.]

---

I didn't say The Satanic Temple "endorsed" Satan. Based on what you said to me, I replied that Satan loves you and accepts your homosexual ways. The Satanic Temple however is also a fabulous ally to the LGBTQIA+ community, with the co-founder quoted saying, "[W]e will fight... to the death to ensure that there are equal rights for the gay community," on behalf of TST. #HailSatan.

You said Satan loves gays then posted a picture of the satanic temple. You associated the satanic temple with Satan by posting a pic of its logo.

What you posted is a lie because satanic temple does not believe in Satan, not because they both glorify homosexuality

 

[Radiation]

You said Satan loves gays then posted a picture of the satanic temple. You associated the satanic temple with Satan by posting a pic of its logo.

What you posted is a lie because satanic temple does not believe in Satan, not because they both glorify homosexuality

I glorify both.

Hail Satan! ⛧

Hail the gays! 🏳️‍🌈

 

[Bread.]

No one chooses to be gay they behave based on what their brain responds to, like everything else in life. Same thing with people who believe in "god" or don't believe. It's a brain response and will never be anything else. You can't think outside of your brain and can't make decisions, think, etc. without using it. All factors included, someone could respond to a "gay" attraction before a "heterosexual" attraction by the time sexuality matters and exists in their lifetime, never having a "straight" experience. No one starts off as any sexuality because it's not important to the human body until later in life.

With all that being said, I'm not defending any kind of person regardless of "identity" or sexuality and I still have plenty of reasons to dislike them.

So what you're saying is. Biology doesn't make people gay. That the brain responds to gay stimuli do. Sounds like a choice.

 

[LostCause.]

I have a genuine question for you @Bread.. I understand that you view homosexuality as a sin and believe it is not natural. What I don't understand is why you care. Are you trying to save their souls from eternal damnation? Or what is the end game of dedicating so much time and attention to something you disagree with so staunchly? What are you trying to achieve?

 

[Chaotica_x0x]

It's the Christian metaphysics of the death cult. If there's a soul to save from eternal damnation for an afterlife of living the pleasures you put off, rejecting the material Immediacy of the body for transcendence, and you care about people it's seemingly more compassionate to proselytize the "inevitable Eschatology." The problem is moral sentiments are grounded in literal translation from a bronze age book that has been retranslated and reinterpreted for millenia with scriptures omitted and changed by religious authorities, but because there's a belief about the books divine authority no Christian leaves it at "it's a book I like."

Literally thumping people over the head with FAN FIC as a moral and "historical" authority.

 

[Soundz123]

So what you're saying is. Biology doesn't make people gay. That the brain responds to gay stimuli do. Sounds like a choice.

it's chemical reactions in the brain, thats biology...

 

[-Luka]

I have a genuine question for you @Bread.. I understand that you view homosexuality as a sin and believe it is not natural. What I don't understand is why you care. Are you trying to save their souls from eternal damnation? Or what is the end game of dedicating so much time and attention to something you disagree with so staunchly? What are you trying to achieve?

Can we please have you as world leader

 

[Bread.]

I have a genuine question for you @Bread.. I understand that you view homosexuality as a sin and believe it is not natural. What I don't understand is why you care. Are you trying to save their souls from eternal damnation? Or what is the end game of dedicating so much time and attention to something you disagree with so staunchly? What are you trying to achieve?

Bored

 

[Bread.]

it's chemical reactions in the brain, thats biology

So are you born gay

 

[-Luka]

Bread if you want credibility for your argument, answer LostCause.
I already said you were getting berated for posing the argument; her question may not be relevant to your initial post, it helps others see more into your insight.

 

[Bread.]

Bread if you want credibility for your argument, answer LostCause.
I already said you were getting berated for posing the argument; her question may not be relevant to your initial post, it helps others see more into your insight.

I answered.

I don't care what happens behind "closed doors".
That doesn't mean I have to accept other people's beliefs. You say to any LGBT person something that goes against their beliefs and you are labeled a homophobe.

 

[TheDifference]

I have a genuine question for you @Bread.. I understand that you view homosexuality as a sin and believe it is not natural. What I don't understand is why you care. Are you trying to save their souls from eternal damnation? Or what is the end game of dedicating so much time and attention to something you disagree with so staunchly? What are you trying to achieve?

He’s a garden variety troll who craves attention. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Bread.]

He’s a garden variety troll who craves attention. Nothing more, nothing less.

Those are gnomes

 

[Soundz123]

So are you born gay

did you actually read my post? i said no because the body isn’t inherently attuned towards sexuality as sexuality is not necessary for survival at infancy and so on. but i also claimed it isn’t a choice either because when sexuality starts to affect the body(puberty) it’s based on brain chemistry.

 

[SerenityMoon]

There is no doubt. You are born gay.

 

[-Luka]

I answered.

I don't care what happens behind "closed doors".
That doesn't mean I have to accept other people's beliefs. You say to any LGBT person something that goes against their beliefs and you are labeled a homophobe.

And that response is why I wholeheartedly agree. The latter especially but again it’s also expected that because you are of the GLB you must be an ally to the rest. No. But that’s another story. Been there.

LostCause also didn’t say you had to accept either; I interpreted probing questions.

But idk I’m only glb I guess 🤷‍♂️

 

[-Luka]

He’s a garden variety troll who craves attention. Nothing more, nothing less.

Poking in again derailing. Reported you gaslighting incel twit

 

[Bread.]

did you actually read my post? i said no because the body isn’t inherently attuned towards sexuality as sexuality is not necessary for survival at infancy and so on. but i also claimed it isn’t a choice either because when sexuality starts to affect the body(puberty) it’s based on brain chemistry.

Weren't the published findings that 75-90% of homosexuality is not attributed to "gay genes".

There is no doubt. You are born gay.

Soundz just basically said youre born asexual
On page 4.

And that response is why I wholeheartedly agree. The latter especially but again it’s also expected that because you are of the GLB you must be an ally to the rest. No. But that’s another story. Been there.

LostCause also didn’t say you had to accept either; I interpreted probing questions.

But idk I’m only glb I guess 🤷‍♂️

You and @babydolla are the only LGB people I've seen call out gays hypocrisy. Everyone else just circlejerks because they don't like me .

 

[DontCostYaNuffin]

Weren't the published findings that 75-90% of homosexuality is not attributed to "gay genes".


Soundz just basically said youre born asexual
On page 4.

You and @babydolla are the only LGB people I've seen call out gays hypocrisy. Everyone else just circlejerks because they don't like me .

That’s what it really boils down to, right? You want to be liked, so you post edgy threads. Get real man. This isn’t a popularity contest and this isn’t really the place to make friends. There’s a reason you’re here, because the majority of people on this website are socially inept and I believe I can speak for the majority of people on here, because 9 out of 10 people on this website are mentally incapacitated, so I feel it is my moral duty to act as their spokesperson. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Embrace who you are, instead of living a charade designed to hide the personality traits that cause you shame.

 

[-Luka]

That’s what it really boils down to, right? You want to be liked, so you post edgy threads. Get real man. This isn’t a popularity contest and this isn’t really the place to make friends. There’s a reason you’re here, because the majority of people on this website are socially inept and I believe I can speak for the majority of people on here, because 9 out of 10 people on this website are mentally incapacitated, so I feel it is my moral duty to act as their spokesperson. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Embrace who you are, instead of living a charade designed to hide the personality traits that cause you shame.

You realise I expect moaning Myrtle gifs looming

 

[kanooook]

Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.

 

[Bread.]

Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.

Is that why your jawline is so smooth and hairless?

 

[Chaotica_x0x]

Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.

Have trouble growing beards? Tell that to the bear who railed me in my 20's as an otter with a full beard after Jiu Jitsu class.

But okay.

 

[kanooook]

Have trouble growing beards? Tell that to the bear who railed me in my 20's as an otter with a full beard after Jiu Jitsu class.

But okay.

Only some gay men the manlier ones have beards and have muscles. most gay men are feminine bottoms.

 

[kanooook]

Is that why your jawline is so smooth and hairless?

It's Not me if you ask Tiana the lesson taught not to me but many others on this site. the gays learn a lot from Tiana. I wouldn't be gay anyway my family would not allow me or any of my brothers or sisters to participate in gay acts. My father stabbed my older brother for saying he liked men. nearly killed him. nobody in my family is stupid enough to want to get beat up or have the chance of getting killed for going against our families wishes.

 

[brightie]

Nah, there are some born but most of them are like fake gays.
Some are just junkies that will do anything for their daily fix.
Some are just smart. If you want to excel on a professional level - declare yourself as a homosexual.

Otherwise, forget it.
Nowadays if you are a straight male with a penis - you're a monster.

 

[babydolla]

It's Not me if you ask Tiana the lesson taught not to me but many others on this site. the gays learn a lot from Tiana. I wouldn't be gay anyway my family would not allow me or any of my brothers or sisters to participate in gay acts. My father stabbed my older brother for saying he liked men. nearly killed him. nobody in my family is stupid enough to want to get beat up or have the chance of getting killed for going against our families wishes.

u might be gay

 

[Louize]

It matters in the eyes of the Lord because he does not want his children to live a sinful and destructive lifestyle. But God didn't create you to be a slave. Forcing someone to be your slave is not love. He chose to give you free will so you can make your own choices.

Just like the choices you make in this country can have punishment, so can the choices that will keep will keep you out of kingdom of heaven.

Isaiah 43:1: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.” - Oh, look. God loves everyone who loves him.

Galatians 3:23-29: “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.” - And another.

Matthew 22:37-40: “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Love of god and love of thy neighbour.

1 John 4:7-8: “Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.”

Don't bring religion into a debate about sexuality and gender. The whole argument is done with the minute you say "But god made us!" because if god didn't want gay people (born or chosen) they wouldn't exist, right? God is meant to be all powerful. Surely your almighty god wouldn't create something he didn't want to create.

"Twin studies and other analyses of inheritance of sexual orientation in humans has indicated that same-sex sexual behavior has a genetic component. Previous searches for the specific genes involved have been underpowered and thus unable to detect genetic signals. Ganna et al. perform a genome-wide association study on 493,001 participants from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Sweden to study genes associated with sexual orientation (see the Perspective by Mills). They find multiple loci implicated in same-sex sexual behavior indicating that, like other behavioral traits, nonheterosexual behavior is polygenic." Full article

It basically suggests that ALONGSIDE genealogy, socialisation and outward input can influence sexuality. Maybe your rebellion against the gay community will help those genes surface in your own children/family and you'll have to take a long hard look at how you treat them and your own views in terms of acceptance and 'Live and let live'

 

[Chopper]

People who make these types of threads are usually the gayest of gays to the point they're to gay to fuction.

 

[Louize]

Most gay males are born with less testosterone. from that they can't really grow beards and have higher pitched voices and everything developing takes longer. they become gay or they are brought up in a tolerant household with gay family members. The DNA in both Dom gays and fem gays are similar not exactly the same. both are just born with less manly DNA. that is why when they reach a certain age woman are not on their minds at all. all they both want is men. the feminine gays just have more feminine DNA so most are bottoms. and the more manly gays are the tops.

As for this, I know more "masc" gays than feminine ones, and those same men aren't always tops. Some of the biggest tops I know are more feminine and it's their aversion to anal sex and the miseducation around it that does this. Also, power-bottoms are a thing.

Sexual tastes don't correlate to sexual identity. I know of unassuming, feminine, book-worm type looking women who own dungeons. I also know a very "out there" kind of man who seems like he'd sleep around who is vanilla and doesn't put out, outside of committed relationships.

Only some gay men the manlier ones have beards and have muscles. most gay men are feminine bottoms.

FFS. The lack of research on this thread is astounding. Not even just this comment.

Maybe, just maybe, you only recognise more camp, outwardly feminine men as gay men, and instead don't notice the big buff dude who is masc at the gym as gay.

I have a gay male friend, 6'2. perfect teeth, gym 5 x a week, rugged looking, and power lifts. The amount of women who will try and catch his eye when we're out is hilarious to watch... Because that man likes peen and peen only... Oh, and he's a vers.

 

[SerenityMoon]

In the new study, a team led by Brendan Zietsch of the University of Queensland, Australia, mined several massive genome data banks, including that of 23andMe and the UK Biobank (23andMe did not fund the research). They asked more than 477,000 participants whether they had ever had sex with someone of the same sex, and also questions about sexual fantasies and the degree to which they identified as gay or straight.
The researchers found five single points in the genome* that seemed to be common among people who had had at least one same-sex experience. Two of these genetic markers sit close to genes linked to sex hormones and to smell—both factors that may play a role in sexual attraction.
* A double-stranded DNA molecule has six reading frames. Both strands are read in the 5′→3′ direction. Each strand has three reading frames, depending on which nucleotide is chosen as the starting position.

 

[Bread.]

Isaiah 43:1: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.” - Oh, look. God loves everyone who loves him.

Galatians 3:23-29: “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.” - And another.

Matthew 22:37-40: “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” - Love of god and love of thy neighbour.

1 John 4:7-8: “Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.”

Don't bring religion into a debate about sexuality and gender. The whole argument is done with the minute you say "But god made us!" because if god didn't want gay people (born or chosen) they wouldn't exist, right? God is meant to be all powerful. Surely your almighty god wouldn't createsomething he didn't want to create.

God created everything even Satan. Why would he allow evil? How do you live if not through free will? God doesn't force you to do anything. He teaches you right from wrong but allows you to choose to either. You grow in strength by resisting evil. He also shows you his love and grace by forgiving your sins. We demonstrate the character god wants by the choices we make.

Just like you teach a child right from wrong but still give him the choice to learn from his mistakes. Just like his character will be determined by what he does when no one is looking.

"Twin studies and other analyses of inheritance of sexual orientation in humans has indicated that same-sex sexual behavior has a genetic component. Previous searches for the specific genes involved have been underpowered and thus unable to detect genetic signals. Ganna et al. perform a genome-wide association study on 493,001 participants from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Sweden to study genes associated with sexual orientation (see the Perspective by Mills). They find multiple loci implicated in same-sex sexual behavior indicating that, like other behavioral traits, nonheterosexual behavior is polygenic." Full article HERE

It basically suggests that ALONGSIDE genealogy, socialisation and outward input can influence sexuality. Maybe your rebellion against the gay community will help those genes surface in your own children/family and you'll have to take a long look at how you treat them and your own views in terms of acceptance and 'Live and let live'

There is no gay gene otherwise there would be a commonality in the gay pool. Socialization and outward input sounds a lot like influence.

 

[Louize]

God created everything even Satan. Why would he allow evil? How do you live if not through free will? God doesn't force you to do anything. He teaches you right from wrong but allows you to choose to either. You grow in strength by resisting evil. He also shows you his love and grace by forgiving your sins. We demonstrate the character god wants by the choices we make.

And this is what you choose to do with your free will? Gay bash for the sake of gay bashing on an online forum? Eeeeshhh. I'm not sure god would approve of such life choices. Not very much love for thy neighbour in this paragraph.

And you're correct. If we go off the oldest work of fiction in history God did create evil. By abandoning his son. I wonder if Satan was maybe a little gay and that's why he was abandoned. No. Wait. It was for a lesser reason. No wonder the bible following folk have so many issues. Their chosen father and ruler is an abandoner. Can you tell me why gays are so evil in the eyes of religion when God also allows children to suffer cancer but you don't curse that out? Isn't there bigger issues to take up with your creator than someone liking the D? What about the same God impregnating a 14 year old? Paedophilia is wrong in modern law, but the bible said it was okay. The world learns, changes, and progresses. You can't just pick and choose SOME. You either have to be totally open to the bible having things wrong, or you have to admit a lot of things that by modern standards would make every religious people very, very criminal.

Add to the point, how many religious men watch female on female porn. How many make a joke (that's not really a joke) to their partners about threesomes and experimenting with women. It's only an issue when it's man on man, it seems. Weird that.

Just like you teach a child right from wrong but still give him the choice to learn from his mistakes. Just like his character will be determined by what he does when no one is looking.

And just like you can give people a bible and let them see that some of what it condoned is wrong in a modern society. Paedophila, eating anything that bleeds (better go vegan, guys!), women not speaking and having to cover their hair. What about dashing a baby's skull open for happiness? Psalm 137:9, I do believe.

There is no gay gene otherwise there would be a commonality in the gay pool. Socialization and outward input sounds a lot like influ

I gave you science. You gave me nothing.

I can't debate where there is no debate to be had. Time for you to loop back and read my first two sentences of this reply again, eh.

 

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In the new study, a team led by Brendan Zietsch of the University of Queensland, Australia, mined several massive genome data banks, including that of 23andMe and the UK Biobank (23andMe did not fund the research). They asked more than 477,000 participants whether they had ever had sex with someone of the same sex, and also questions about sexual fantasies and the degree to which they identified as gay or straight.
The researchers found five single points in the genome* that seemed to be common among people who had had at least one same-sex experience. Two of these genetic markers sit close to genes linked to sex hormones and to smell—both factors that may play a role in sexual attraction.
* A double-stranded DNA molecule has six reading frames. Both strands are read in the 5′→3′ direction. Each strand has three reading frames, depending on which nucleotide is chosen as the starting position.

There is no gay gene.
There are genes that contribute to sexuality but there is no gene that says this person is chosen to be gay.

The study you cited did not even ask the participants about what their sexual preference was, only their sexual behavior.

Since everyone here argues that sexuality can change willy nilly.

Not only but it also concluded that genetic twins often have completely different sexual preferences.