Open Letter

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purplerose

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Dear Site Admin, Cm(s)

Why have you let this site fail and fall into such disrepair?


Posts/Threads- Posts/Threads are ghost edited and closed for no reason. Many times not even breaking any rules. People with no concern with the forums ask for threads to be closed mid discussion most times, and it's done.
Why are posts/threads being deleted or moved to mod forums? especially when its not needed, and then having them be labeled “sensitive mod material” when it was clearly part of the discussion and no sensitive data was posted in open forums.
And then on the far end, users cannot use certain email truncation's to sign up or even contact you to alert you to issues with the site. Many times with issues going on days before action is taken. The fun threads are killed within 3 posts but the seriously, potentially serious threat threads are left for days.

Staff- It seems to be true that in SOME rooms a user must have VIP in order to become moderator? Basically what you/ the room admin are promoting is Pay To Play. Which makes it far less fair and balanced. not only for the other mods that have to work in the same room. but for the users they feel they wont get a fair decision when rules are broken. fair and balanced SHOULD be 1 of the qualities of a moderator, not their ability to pay. This site is missing out on some great moderators simply because they haven't paid (or paid recently).
Why do you treat the staff as they are poop on the bottom of your shoe? And no i certainly dont mean open an AMA or answer every single “HEY” pm. BUT you certainly should be answering your admins and reading what they say, not only do some have their rooms pulse , but most have their moderators insights as well, and no one has a better understanding of each one's room ( and even forums) better than the room's moderators, and anyone that tells you different is lying. Why don't you trust your admins to make good decisions for the room/forums? If you cant let them do the volunteer job, why did you hire them? It reflects badly on you when an admin/room/forum mods have to say, nope i cant do it. If they are your staff they should be given access to the tools to do what they were put there to do. If they don't do it, remove them if you must, not punish the entire group. we've been through this before and we learned taking tools/options away only hurts this site, its users and its bottom line. And yes, it's hurting the bottom line, 15 forums users online at a time is borderline dead.
Why is it taking months to turn mods blue? If users cannot tell who's who in forums how are users supposed to take what a mod says seriously and get users to follow the rules. Why are mods modding the room before being turned blue in forums?
Again , on the far end here, a moderator and an admin admitted to running a script in forums this past weekend. Historically, they would have been removed and banned. You've removed and banned for posting a poem before, and script running is far far far worse.

Rules- Why is there suddenly an influx of new rules? There are rules and then there are CORE rules, have fun, don’t hack, no flashing pictures, C,F,N,R word isn't acceptable. Now other words are now added to that list. And it seems that other unknown;unnamed rules are being placed and enforced. Forum bans are inconsistent with the crime, as well as no warnings or use of the ban reason box. Lack of users kills a site but so does over moderation/rules. Why is common sense not used more often? Why is it not inferred it should be used 1st when making a moderation decision?

You and I(the cm name) have gotten along like oil and water and i won't be sorry for it nor will I expect it to change. C/A is no longer a priority to you,and we(i) get that. But if you want this site to survive until the end of the year you're going to have to listen to some of us and change some things on this site. Or you'll be left with the f%%k week bots and script kiddies, and will be more of a laughing stock than it already is.




i have copies(mainly stated because of point 1)
#FreeLuka
TL😀R then get out, doors <----------- i dont do it often anymore but when i do its f%%ked up and it needs a change.
 
I did indeed read your TED Talk.

You don't do it for contrived pride. Good for you, I am glad you help people.

You apply only small band aids in the context of the larger problem. You acknowledge that, but what next? Do you ever consider the fact that the entire website's longevity relies specifically on the fact that you may only ever apply band aids to a wound? Perhaps that it is by design that you are limited in this way? It doesn't make you feel bad that all of your personal goals and morals, in the grand scheme, are actively and intentionally subverted by two people who want to make money?

You mentioned the FBI a few pages ago. If this were a sane world, the FBI would have destroyed these chats a long time ago. The regulars you speak with, and who reveal themselves publicly, converse in the main chat, are a stark minority of all users who are present in any (largely populated) room at any time. Removing the experience of these 50-odd people to remove the platform from the 3,000-odd miscreants is a very easy cost-benefit calculus. An innumerable segment of people in these chats should not even have the right to exist, let alone to live out their fantasies on a lost website from Internet 1.0 (and then buy VIP to masquerade as normal people).

The moderators whom you respect, whose backs you say you have, you are all fighting against the tide because your utopian, safe chat room is less profitable than what the rooms are now.

That is neither here nor there. The forum doesn't have easy nudes, and therefore is comparatively more tame.

Orange for UM
A few thoughts:
Yes, this site and pretty much any other successful chat site will never be able to completely get rid of undesirables, like pedos. I realize what I do is only band aids, but for me it’s better than nothing. And I’m ok with that.

And trying to get back to the OPs topic, there absolutely are changes that could improve the user/staff experience here. I’ve suggested some and many other people have also made suggestions over the years. But the owner(s) are the only one who can make those changes. If they choose not to, we all have the option to leave. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Staying here and constantly saying how bad the site is or constantly railing against the current staff seems counterproductive and a waste of people’s time. Life is short and as the great Warren Zevon said…….enjoy every sandwich. ✌🏻
 
I'm no mod, and I have no idea about numbers, but...

The forums have potential, but it's not visable. I bet that many people even don't know it exist.
Why? Because it's not visable.
In the main page you see all the different chatrooms and all the nice stuff right?
But not the forums.
To find it you have to scroll to the bottom, and it's there with a small font to click on. No one sees that. The only reason why I found this forum is because I actually bothered to scroll all the way down.

Make people see the forums. That's my tip for the chatmaster.
Put it in the left menu on every chat-room, don't have it on the bottom of the main page. It will help. 🙂
Good suggestion! 👍🏼
 
A few thoughts:
Yes, this site and pretty much any other successful chat site will never be able to completely get rid of undesirables, like pedos. I realize what I do is only band aids, but for me it’s better than nothing. And I’m ok with that.

And trying to get back to the OPs topic, there absolutely are changes that could improve the user/staff experience here. I’ve suggested some and many other people have also made suggestions over the years. But the owner(s) are the only one who can make those changes. If they choose not to, we all have the option to leave. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Staying here and constantly saying how bad the site is or constantly railing against the current staff seems counterproductive and a waste of people’s time. Life is short and as the great Warren Zevon said…….enjoy every sandwich. ✌🏻
This site would be okay minus one person. Now this person does seem to attract a lot of interest which livens up forums. If this person would give up his UM spot this site would be much better. I did not mention specific names and why are all the UM's male. That has got to be some sort of Title 19 infraction.
 
Good call @purplerose , a letter to CM would be about as useful as a fart in a thunderstorm he doesn't read them ( mostly Admin maybe Mod if you're lucky ) so this thread is perfect.
The rooms aren't thriving , quite the opposite in fact , hell i remember when i/we had most days/nights in excess of 1500+ ******** , not now. I do think @Cat94herine idea is good and Forums needs to be pushed and the trash taken out.
 
because you don't have the common sense to 1) realise that scripts are not the done thing in any forum or chatroom. 2) realise that the level of spam that was seen was OK.
It was all in one thread that one could easily unwatch and ignore if it was bothering them... nothing he did was technically against the rules. 🤷
 
scripts/programs have never been allowed. and a mod using them has been the worst of the worst.. whether for 1 thread/ 1 room or 2000 threads/20 rooms.

AND

dont lay this all on 0sen either.

this should be common sense. dont bring the site to its knees. but i do admit the fact that youve probably never been told, which lays on cm.
 
, we all have the option to leave. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Staying here and constantly saying how bad the site is or constantly railing against the current staff seems counterproductive and a waste of people’s time. Life is short and as the great Warren Zevon said…….enjoy every sandwich. ✌🏻


if no one stays here to tell the owner how bad the site is or to rally for better staffing.. how will this sites owners know its failing and losing revenue. staff certainly wont tell him, theyre too busy groveling. and if/when the staff do finally start telling him. theyve become no better than the users the staff ran off. pretty soon it will be staff left to monitor one another and ad bots. what a glorious utopia that will be!! All of forums and rooms will become mod forums. where mods turn on other mods.

As i said previously oil and water. i dont go around worshiping at his altar, and covering for him or making rules up in his name because my opinion differs. i have always done and will continue to do this, tell him his plans gone rancid and needs a look at. whether he listens is up to him. but im not going to sit here and say this is a wasted effort or time. many changes came to this site because of threads like these. Many you take for granted.
 
i think the attitude of like the way it is or leave isn't a good one. everyone, users. staff, whoever should say what they think is wrong and what should be improved. this place and how it's run is far from perfect. just staying quiet about it won't do anyone any good.
 
I have to say this though @TheDifference have you wondered what happened for 99% of the users here to turn against the particular "staff member " that got railed ? No and you probably won't ever know the half of it . You only see one side and have most likely only heard one side too .
Anyway , not here to pick a fight just letting you know there is a much bigger side to the story/ies you are told. 🙂
 
i think the attitude of like the way it is or leave isn't a good one. everyone, users. staff, whoever should say what they think is wrong and what should be improved. this place and how it's run is far from perfect. just staying quiet about it won't do anyone any good.
I agree. I never said people can’t voice their opinion. All I meant is that if people dislike the site and the staff so much that they are constantly complaining about it, then maybe they should reevaluate being here. There is nothing wrong with making suggestions on how the site can be improved. 👍🏻
 
A first step to making this place anything close to what it was would be a clear and open method of communication between those that set the rules and those that enforce them.
I agree. And we now have that in AC. It’s making a big difference in how we moderate and also helping us all be consistent in how we enforce the site rules.
Following that, the active users have to be put first. That is what will cause an eventual growth. People knowing they can use a chat room for, you know, actual chatting without having to deal with the kind of BS we’re all currently dealing with.
This is true for smaller rooms with less users. With bigger rooms like the AC ones, the scroll moves so fast it makes having actual conversations harder for the ********. But it’s still possible.
 
I have to say this though @TheDifference have you wondered what happened for 99% of the users here to turn against the particular "staff member " that got railed ? No and you probably won't ever know the half of it . You only see one side and have most likely only heard one side too .
Anyway , not here to pick a fight just letting you know there is a much bigger side to the story/ies you are told. 🙂
I try my best to stay out of all the drama here. Even when I get attacked, I try and rise above and be the bigger adult. Clearly there are times I fail at that 😂

I’m definitely aware there are two sides to every story. Specifically regarding the person/issue you are referring to, I haven’t been told anything by either side. I just see the constant fighting and honestly it’s sad. As adults you would think people could settle their differences or at least agree to disagree and move on. But hey, that’s between all of you. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
if no one stays here to tell the owner how bad the site is or to rally for better staffing.. how will this sites owners know its failing and losing revenue. staff certainly wont tell him, theyre too busy groveling. and if/when the staff do finally start telling him. theyve become no better than the users the staff ran off. pretty soon it will be staff left to monitor one another and ad bots. what a glorious utopia that will be!! All of forums and rooms will become mod forums. where mods turn on other mods.

As i said previously oil and water. i dont go around worshiping at his altar, and covering for him or making rules up in his name because my opinion differs. i have always done and will continue to do this, tell him his plans gone rancid and needs a look at. whether he listens is up to him. but im not going to sit here and say this is a wasted effort or time. many changes came to this site because of threads like these. Many you take for granted.
Taking pot shots at all staff (again) diminishes any valid point you are trying to make. Anyway….I’ve never said that pointing out problems or making improvement suggestions is wrong. You paint a very dark picture and while some of it may be true, it’s not as doom and gloom as you say it is. At least in AC, we are trying to improve the user experience. Trying to improve how we moderate. And it’s working.
And just so you know, I don’t take anything for granted. I’m well aware that improvements have been made here and I appreciate that. ✌🏻
 
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