So do we really know what happened on 9/11?

Do we know?

  • No (Bush did it)

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Conspiracy Theories are all about creating (false)meaning and a Sense of “Control” in their believers. There rarely is a simple explanation for why the various “things” happen in the world, and because only people who have devoted significant amounts of their lives to the study of a subject are able to really understand such things, the “regular person” (usually without a College or especially Graduate Education, but not always) feels out of control, and believe that those who do know or those who are perceived “different” from them, are somehow taking advantage of their ignorance. The most common Conspiracy Theory in Times of Crisis( whether actual or perceived) is a variation of the Scapegoat, typically Anti-Islam (in the West) Anti-Semitic or forms of a Super-Powerful Cabal that controls the world. To put it very simply: People want things to have “Meaning” even if they don’t “make sense.” That tends to make them vulnerable to accepting Conspiracy Theories. Such theories are “Satisfying” to such people, as they provide, at the very least a “Reason” or “Meaning” for why the believers are suffering, when in reality that reason and meaning are both false and, as a bonus, most Conspiracy Theories also pander to people’s pre-existing biases, bigotries, and hatreds. The more of which a person possesses (biases), the more susceptible they are to such Conspiracism. The same goes for the 9/11 attacks. Can’t blame an entire group of people for something that was done by a small group of extremists, which are to be found in all religions and political ideologies. The way the West (the US and Europe) has historically conducted itself around the world and has meddled in the affairs of countries it should have stayed out off (starting with colonialism), did however play a role in facilitating fundamentalism. a similar thing is happening at the moment regarding the oppression of the Palestinians by the Israeli government and most Western leaders still remaining on cordial terms with the Israeli government (with the exception of Ireland and Spain), when what is going on is clearly a violation of Palestinian human rights by the Israeli government. Palestinian people, who have lived as second class citizens and were forced to live in confined spaces in their own country since 1948, are now being wiped out, with the death toll standing at almost 30000 people (and still rising) since the Israeli government invaded the Gaza last October with another 394 in the West Bank (and still rising) There’s a reason a lot of people hate the West and the US in particular.
 
Conspiracy Theories are all about creating (false)meaning and a Sense of “Control” in their believers. There rarely is a simple explanation for why the various “things” happen in the world, and because only people who have devoted significant amounts of their lives to the study of a subject are able to really understand such things, the “regular person” (usually without a College or especially Graduate Education, but not always) feels out of control, and believe that those who do know or those who are perceived “different” from them, are somehow taking advantage of their ignorance. The most common Conspiracy Theory in Times of Crisis( whether actual or perceived) is a variation of the Scapegoat, typically Anti-Islam (in the West) Anti-Semitic or forms of a Super-Powerful Cabal that controls the world. To put it very simply: People want things to have “Meaning” even if they don’t “make sense.” That tends to make them vulnerable to accepting Conspiracy Theories. Such theories are “Satisfying” to such people, as they provide, at the very least a “Reason” or “Meaning” for why the believers are suffering, when in reality that reason and meaning are both false and, as a bonus, most Conspiracy Theories also pander to people’s pre-existing biases, bigotries, and hatreds. The more of which a person possesses (biases), the more susceptible they are to such Conspiracism. The same goes for the 9/11 attacks. Can’t blame an entire group of people for something that was done by a small group of extremists, which are to be found in all religions and political ideologies. The way the West (the US and Europe) has historically conducted itself around the world and has meddled in the affairs of countries it should have stayed out off (starting with colonialism), did however play a role in facilitating fundamentalism. a similar thing is happening at the moment regarding the oppression of the Palestinians by the Israeli government and most Western leaders still remaining on cordial terms with the Israeli government (with the exception of Ireland and Spain), when what is going on is clearly a violation of Palestinian human rights by the Israeli government. Palestinian people, who have lived as second class citizens and were forced to live in confined spaces in their own country since 1948, are now being wiped out, with the death toll standing at almost 30000 people (and still rising) since the Israeli government invaded the Gaza last October with another 394 in the West Bank (and still rising) There’s a reason a lot of people hate the West and the US in particular.
written dutch style - no paragraphs and all stuck together - oh them dutch people, they do like to be to the point. lol.
 
regarding the oppression of the Palestinians by the Israeli government and most Western leaders still remaining on cordial terms with the Israel government (with the exception of Ireland and Spain), when what is going on is clearly a violation of Palestinian human rights by the Israeli government. Palestinian people, who have lived as second class citizens and were forced to live in confined spaces in their own country since 1948, are now being wiped out, with the death toll standing at almost 30000 people (and still rising) since the Israeli government invaded the Gaza last October with another 394 in the West Bank (and still rising) There’s a reason a lot of people hate the West and the US in particular.

Bill Clinton Brokered A Peace Agreement Between Israel And Palestine Establishing A Soveriegn Palestinian State

But Yasser Arafat Turned It Down ..... The Arab Vow Of "Death To Israel" Prevailed ....

And Now With Hamas In Charge Who's Sole Existence Is Based Upon The Annihilation Of Israel ....

That Will Not Happen ... And Since October 7th 2023 The Only Fate of Hamas Is It's Own Destruction ...

Sadly That Includes More Innocent Palestinian Lives Than Hamas Terrorists ....

The Hamas Strategy To Hide Amongst It's Own Palestinian People That It Is Supposed To Be Protecting

Ensures The Deaths Of Innocent Palestinian Children Women Old Men And Civilians

So Those That Are Responsible For The Mass Deaths Of Civilians In The Gaza Strip Are Hamas Themselves

They Were The Murderers On October 7th 2023

And They Are The Murderers Of their Own People .... The Palestinians Of Gaza .... Ever Since October 7th 2023

Hamas Is Responsible For The 30,000 Dead Palestinians .... They Murdered Them By Fighting The IDF And Hiding Among Their Own

Ever Since The October 7th Terrorrist Attacks On The Israel Border Kibbutzim

Massacring Familes Men Women And Children Chopping Off Heads And Sexually Violating Women Before Murdering Them ..

ISRAEL WANTS PEACE HAMAS WANTS WAR ... "For Here .. We Draw A Line In The Sand .. And Say .. NEVER AGAIN"

Shalom ...

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Bill Clinton Brokered A Peace Agreement Between Israel And Palestine Establishing A Soveriegn Palestinian State

But Yasser Arafat Turned It Down ..... The Arab Vow Of "Death To Israel" Prevailed ....

And Now With Hamas In Charge Who's Sole Existence Is Based Upon The Annihilation Of Israel ....

That Will Not Happen ... And Since October 7th 2023 The Only Fate of Hamas Is It's Own Destruction ...

Sadly That Includes More Innocent Palestinian Lives Than Hamas Terrorists ....

The Hamas Strategy To Hide Amongst It's Own Palestinian People That It Is Supposed To Be Protecting

Ensures The Deaths Of Innocent Palestinian Children Women Old Men And Civilians

So Those That Are Responsible For The Mass Deaths Of Civilians In The Gaza Strip Are Hamas Themselves

They Were The Murderers On October 7th 2023

And They Are The Murderers Of their Own People .... The Palestinians Of Gaza .... Ever Since October 7th 2023

Hamas Is Responsible For The 30,000 Dead Palestinians .... They Murdered Them By Fighting The IDF And Hiding Among Their Own

Ever Since The October 7th Terrorrist Attacks On The Israel Border Kibbutzim

Massacring Familes Men Women And Children Chopping Off Heads And Sexually Violating Women Before Murdering Them ..

ISRAEL WANTS PEACE HAMAS WANTS WAR ... "For Here .. We Draw A Line In The Sand .. And Say .. NEVER AGAIN"

Shalom ...

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Agreed.

To Da (thank you in Hebrew)
 
Bill Clinton Brokered A Peace Agreement Between Israel And Palestine Establishing A Soveriegn Palestinian State

But Yasser Arafat Turned It Down ..... The Arab Vow Of "Death To Israel" Prevailed ....

And Now With Hamas In Charge Who's Sole Existence Is Based Upon The Annihilation Of Israel ....

That Will Not Happen ... And Since October 7th 2023 The Only Fate of Hamas Is It's Own Destruction ...

Sadly That Includes More Innocent Palestinian Lives Than Hamas Terrorists ....

The Hamas Strategy To Hide Amongst It's Own Palestinian People That It Is Supposed To Be Protecting

Ensures The Deaths Of Innocent Palestinian Children Women Old Men And Civilians

So Those That Are Responsible For The Mass Deaths Of Civilians In The Gaza Strip Are Hamas Themselves

They Were The Murderers On October 7th 2023

And They Are The Murderers Of their Own People .... The Palestinians Of Gaza .... Ever Since October 7th 2023

Hamas Is Responsible For The 30,000 Dead Palestinians .... They Murdered Them By Fighting The IDF And Hiding Among Their Own

Ever Since The October 7th Terrorrist Attacks On The Israel Border Kibbutzim

Massacring Familes Men Women And Children Chopping Off Heads And Sexually Violating Women Before Murdering Them ..

ISRAEL WANTS PEACE HAMAS WANTS WAR ... "For Here .. We Draw A Line In The Sand .. And Say .. NEVER AGAIN"

Shalom ...

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If Israel wants peace, why are there illegal Israeli settlers on Palestinian lands? They are considered illegal according to the international community for good reason in that they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and they are in breach of international declarations. If Israel wants peace, why did it commit the ‘Nakba’? i.e. the violent displacement and dispossession of Palestinians, along with the destruction of their society, culture, identity, political rights and national aspirations? The ‘Nakba’ is an ongoing process which started in 1948 when massacres were committed against Arabs and more than 500 Arab-majority towns and villages were depopulated, with many of them either completely destroyed or repopulated by Jewish residents and given new Hebrew names. About half of Palestine's predominantly Arab population, fled their homes or were driven out by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army into what is now Israel.

Later, during the 1967 Six-Day War, hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees were expelled from the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Most were driven to Jordan, which came to be known as al-Naksa (the "setback.") After the war, Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza.
About two thousand Palestinians were killed in a massacre led by the Lebanese Front at the Siege of Tel al-Zaatar in 1976, during the Lebanese Civil War.
Palestinian refugees in Lebanon were killed or displaced during the 1982 Lebanon War, including 3500 killed in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.

After the Oslo agreements and the first-and second Intifada in the 1990s-early 2000s, Israel withdrew from Gaza and blocked the Gaza Strip in 2005. In the West Bank and East Jerusalem, Israel built the Israeli West Bank barrier and created Palestinian enclaves. The main long-term consequences of the Nakba for the Palestinian people were the loss of their homeland, the fragmentation and marginalization of their national community and their transformation into a stateless people.

Does Israel really want peace? I don’t think so. They want everything on their terms. That’s not how you make peace with someone.
 
If Israel wants peace, why are there illegal Israeli settlers on Palestinian lands? They are considered illegal according to the international community for good reason in that they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention and they are in breach of international declarations. If Israel wants peace, why did it commit the ‘Nakba’? i.e. the violent displacement and dispossession of Palestinians, along with the destruction of their society, culture, identity, political rights and national aspirations? The ‘Nakba’ is an ongoing process which started in 1948 when massacres were committed against Arabs and more than 500 Arab-majority towns and villages were depopulated, with many of them either completely destroyed or repopulated by Jewish residents and given new Hebrew names. About half of Palestine's predominantly Arab population, fled their homes or were driven out by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army into what is now Israel.

Later, during the 1967 Six-Day War, hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees were expelled from the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Most were driven to Jordan, which came to be known as al-Naksa (the "setback.") After the war, Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza.
About two thousand Palestinians were killed in a massacre led by the Lebanese Front at the Siege of Tel al-Zaatar in 1976, during the Lebanese Civil War.
Palestinian refugees in Lebanon were killed or displaced during the 1982 Lebanon War, including 3500 killed in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.

After the Oslo agreements and the first-and second Intifada in the 1990s-early 2000s, Israel withdrew from Gaza and blocked the Gaza Strip in 2005. In the West Bank and East Jerusalem, Israel built the Israeli West Bank barrier and created Palestinian enclaves. The main long-term consequences of the Nakba for the Palestinian people were the loss of their homeland, the fragmentation and marginalization of their national community and their transformation into a stateless people.

Does Israel really want peace? I don’t think so. They want everything on their terms. That’s not how you make peace with someone.
There Was Never An Established Palestinian State ...

Since 1948 The West Bank The Gaza Strip And East Jerusalem Were Administered By Jordan And Egypt Til 1967 ...

After That Came The Palestinian National Authority Under Yasser Arafat .... Over Seeing The Palestinian Territories ... And Now It's Hamas

...... Before 1948 And The Creation Of Israel .. It Was All A British Protectorate .... Starting In 1918 ..

Before That It Was The Turkish Ottoman Empire ....

Before That ... A Place Fought Over By Christianity And Islam During The 300 Years Of The Crusades ...

Before That .... The Palestinian Tribes Were Nomadic Bedouins On Camels .... Traveling The Silk Road As Traders ...

THERE NEVER WAS A PALESTINIAN STATE ......

But They Are A People With Their Own Culture And History And They Have The Right To National Sovereignty


PEACEFULLY .. That is ...

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There Was Never An Established Palestinian State ...

Since 1948 The West Bank The Gaza Strip And East Jerusalem Were Administered By Jordan And Egypt Til 1967 ...

After That Came The Palestinian National Authority Under Yasser Arafat .... Over Seeing The Palestinian Territories ... And Now It's Hamas

...... Before 1948 And The Creation Of Israel .. It Was All A British Protectorate .... Starting In 1918 ..

Before That It Was The Turkish Ottoman Empire ....

Before That ... A Place Fought Over By Christianity And Islam During The 300 Years Of The Crusades ...

Before That .... The Palestinian Tribes Were Nomadic Bedouins On Camels .... Traveling The Silk Road As Traders ...

THERE NEVER WAS A PALESTINIAN STATE ......

But They Are A People With Their Own Culture And History And They Have The Right To National Sovereignty


PEACEFULLY .. That is ...

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Moot point. Because a people never had a state, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to have one in the future either. The Jews never had a state either, they had a kingdom, the Kingdom of Yudah, which isn’t the same. States are relatively recent creations. Your comment doesn’t address the right to self-determination and the fact that a people might be indigenous to a country, without ever having had a state because they’ve always been part of other states and empires. Most states and countries are relatively recent creations anyway. Germany was created in 1871. Prior to that it was a collection of numerous principalities and dukedoms. Same goes for Italy, which was unified in 1861 under the Savoyard king of Piemonte and Sardinia, Victor Emmanuel II. But modern day Italy as we know it today was created in 1947/1948, when the constitution of the Italian Republic was ratified. Both countries consisted of different ethnicities and minorities, for example Slavic Sorbs and Kashubians, in eastern Germany, prior to 1945, which were overrun by Germanic-speaking people.

The majority of Jewish people living in Israel, aren’t Middle Eastern i.e. Mizrahi Jews, the majority are Ashkenazi Jews, who have lived in Europe for at least 2000 years and they think they can now go back and occupy Palestinian land that has been lived and farmed on for thousands of years. Archaeogenetics has proven that there is a direct link between modern day Palestinians and inhabitants of the Levant going back to the Neolithic period and beyond that, the so called Natufian culture. The majority of Natufian samples were found to belong to y-haplogroup E1b1b. There is a higher incidence of y-haplogroup E1b1b among Palestinians than among Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews (most Jews belong to y-haplogroup J, which has its origins between Mesopotamia and the Caucasus) meaning that Palestinians are indigenous.
 
Moot point. Because a people never had a state, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to have one in the future either. Your comment doesn’t address the right to self-determination
Moot Point ... I Already Said That In MY Post That You Replied To

THERE NEVER WAS A PALESTINIAN STATE ......

But They Are A People With Their Own Culture And History And They Have The Right To National Sovereignty


PEACEFULLY .. That is ...

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Moot Point ... I Already Said That In MY Post That You Replied To
The Jews never had a state either, so why should they be allowed to have one and not the Palestinians who have lived there longer? The fact that Palestians have a greater claim to Israel than the Jews can be backed up by archaeogenetics. Neolithic samples belonging to the so called ‘Natufian’ culture were found to belong to y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b, which has a greater incidence among Palestinians than amongst Jews….
 
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The majority of Jewish people in Israel are of Ashkenazi descent. They outnumber the Mizrahi Jews. The former are basically all admixed with Western Europeans due to the diaspora.

Source:

 
The Jews never had a state either, so why should they be allowed to have one and not the Palestinians who have lived there longer?

The Jews Have Had A State Since 1948 ... Why Don't You Read Up On How That Important Event In History Transpired ....

Not Only Does That Rhyme ...

It Also Shows How Irrelevant The Point That You Are Trying To Make Is ..

That Palestine Should Exist Because The Palestinians Have Been In That Region Longer Than The Jews ....

And I Agree With You Senor ... The Palestinians SHOULD Be Allowed To Have Their Own Country ....

PEACEFULLY That is ...

Anyhoo This Is Getting Redunant And With Your Obsessive Rants Of Factual Obsfucation ...... A Little Irritating ...

I Need A Break ...
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The Jews Have Had A State Since 1948 ... Why Don't You Read Up On How That Important Event In History Transpired ....

Not Only Does That Rhyme ...

It Also Shows How Irrelevant The Point That You Are Trying To Make Is ..

That Palestine Should Exist Because The Palestinians Have Been In That Region Longer Than The Jews ....

And I Agree With You Senor ... The Palestinians SHOULD Be Allowed To Have Their Own Country ....

PEACEFULLY That is ...

Anyhoo This Is Getting Redunant And With Your Obsessive Rants Of Factual Obsfucation ...... A Little Irritating ...

I Need A Break ...
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I was talking about Israel prior to 1948, since you mentioned that Palestinians have never had a state, well, Jews never had one either prior to 1948, but they obtained one illegally. You might need a History lesson and read my previous comment as to how that transpired and the ‘Nakba’ and why any sane individual would never acknowledge the creation of Israel in 1948. Arab-majority towns and villages were depopulated and repopulated by Jewish residents and given new Hebrew names. Why would you glorify a genocide? And the same thing is happening at the moment. Over 30000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza alone.
 
Yes, you might want to read my previous comment as to how that transpired and the ‘Nakba’ and why any sane individual would never acknowledge the creation of Israel in 1948. Arab-majority towns and villages were depopulated and repopulated by Jewish residents and given new Hebrew names. Why would you glorify a genocide? And the same thing is happening at the moment. Over 30000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza alone.
Israel Is A Country And Palestine Is Not And This Fact Is Not In Dispute ...

Recognized By The United Nations And The Global Community In 1948

Your Perception Of Genocide Is Misconstrued Senor ...

The World War 2 Holocaust Of European Jewry Was REAL Genocide And That Fact Is Not In Dispute

The 3000 Deaths In Gaza You Speak Of Is All The Work Of Hamas And What Hamas Did On October 7th 2023

Hamas Hides From The IDF Among it's Own People That It Says It Is Protecting After An Evil Attack On Israel 10/7/23

Knowing Full Well That The IDF Would Retaliate And Many Palestinian Civilians Would Be Killed ...

That's What Hamas Wanted .. Thousands Of Dead Palestinians So They Could Cry Victim On The World Stage ....

And Make Israel Look Evil .... When It Is Hamas That Is Perpetrating Evil ..

On Israel And It's Own Palestinian People That It's Supposed To Be Protecting ...

BULLSHIIT THEY MURDERED THEIR OWN INNOCENT CHILDREN

WHEN THEY INSTIGATED ALL THE DEATH AND VIOLENCE ON OCTOBER 7TH 2023
 
Israel Is A Country And Palestine Is Not And This Fact Is Not In Dispute ...

Recognized By The United Nations And The Global Community In 1948

Your Perception Of Genocide Is Misconstrued Senor ...

The World War 2 Holocaust Of European Jewry Was REAL Genocide And That Fact Is Not In Dispute

The 3000 Deaths In Gaza You Speak Of Is All The Work Of Hamas And What Hamas Did On October 7th 2023

Hamas Hides From The IDF Among it's Own People That It Says It Is Protecting After An Evil Attack On Israel 10/7/23

Knowing Full Well That The IDF Would Retaliate And Many Palestinian Civilians Would Be Killed ...

That's What Hamas Wanted .. Thousands Of Dead Palestinians So They Could Cry Victim On The World Stage ....

And Make Israel Look Evil .... When It Is Hamas That Is Perpetrating Evil ..

On Israel And It's Own Palestinian People That It's Supposed To Be Protecting ...

BULLSHIIT THEY MURDERED THEIR OWN INNOCENT CHILDREN

WHEN THEY INSTIGATED ALL THE DEATH AND VIOLENCE ON OCTOBER 7TH 2023
Theodor Herzl’s late 19th century/early 20th century dream of a Jewish homeland turned into a nightmare and antisemitism is to blame. I can understand why Jews wanted their own state and a safe haven from persecution based on their cultural ties to Israel, especially what happened later during the Second World War/Holocaust, but you’d think that they would have learnt from history after what happened to them as a persecuted people. However, this isn’t the case. Palestinians are being treated as second class citizens. They were forced to leave their houses and their villages were repopulated and given Hebrew names. Humans have short term memories and are prone to repeat their mistakes.

The Nakba:

 
Conspiracy Theories are all about creating (false)meaning and a Sense of “Control” in their believers. There rarely is a simple explanation for why the various “things” happen in the world, and because only people who have devoted significant amounts of their lives to the study of a subject are able to really understand such things, the “regular person” (usually without a College or especially Graduate Education, but not always) feels out of control, and believe that those who do know or those who are perceived “different” from them, are somehow taking advantage of their ignorance. The most common Conspiracy Theory in Times of Crisis( whether actual or perceived) is a variation of the Scapegoat, typically Anti-Islam (in the West) Anti-Semitic or forms of a Super-Powerful Cabal that controls the world. To put it very simply: People want things to have “Meaning” even if they don’t “make sense.” That tends to make them vulnerable to accepting Conspiracy Theories. Such theories are “Satisfying” to such people, as they provide, at the very least a “Reason” or “Meaning” for why the believers are suffering, when in reality that reason and meaning are both false and, as a bonus, most Conspiracy Theories also pander to people’s pre-existing biases, bigotries, and hatreds. The more of which a person possesses (biases), the more susceptible they are to such Conspiracism. The same goes for the 9/11 attacks. Can’t blame an entire group of people for something that was done by a small group of extremists, which are to be found in all religions and political ideologies. The way the West (the US and Europe) has historically conducted itself around the world and has meddled in the affairs of countries it should have stayed out off (starting with colonialism), did however play a role in facilitating fundamentalism.
Spot On Senor ..... Conspiracy Theories And The Online Community Of Assholes That Promotes That Shiit Are A Real Problem ... Just Like Terrorists That Use Online Propaganda To Radicalize Budding Little Osama's ...... Misinformation .... Polite Word For TOTAL BULLSHIT ....
 
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