Suicide Talk for Attention

Is talking about Suicide for Attention normal & socially acceptable???

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babydolla

babydolla

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in reference to this thread; https://forum.chat-avenue.com/threads/ban-katelyn_uk.945990/

wat is everyone's thoughts about someone talking about wanting to die & suicide for attention, asking ppl to please kill them, total strangers for pity???

should this be something that is socially acceptable in a community that hosts minors who very well could be suffering with these very issues, just to has some mentally ill adult deprived of attention use that suffering to fuel their own selfish interest???

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Absolutely not. It shouldn’t be tolerated by ******** or staff especially because as you alluded to, there could be minors or even adult dealing with a host of mental issues. It shouldn’t be ok online or off. I just found out today that a customer who shopped in our store recently killed herself with a gun. Pretty shocking. You never know what someone is going through. To make light of those things by joking about suicide is morally reprehensible.
 
Kicking a chatter for talking about wanting to kill themselves shouldn't be a kickable offence!!

Maybe the staff should be caring and be a good listener to someone who feels suicidal? Kicking them would make them feel worse.

Why not be a hero and help them to NOT want to kill themselves? Be supportive and compassionate. When you're depressed you just want someone to talk to, so no...I don't think the staff should be kicking ******** for feeling suicidal - I think that's heartless.
 
BritishandProud said:
Kicking a chatter for talking about wanting to kill themselves shouldn't be a kickable offence!!

Maybe the staff should be caring and be a good listener to someone who feels suicidal? Kicking them would make them feel worse.

Why not be a hero and help them to NOT want to kill themselves? Be supportive and compassionate. When you're depressed you just want someone to talk to, so no...I don't think the staff should be kicking ******** for feeling suicidal - I think that's heartless.
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If someone is really suicidal they should be on a suicide prevention line, not a chatroom looking for attention
 
DarthErica said:
If someone is really suicidal they should be on a suicide prevention line, not a chatroom looking for attention
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That's your opinion. Some people come to chatrooms to vent and what if they don't know how to contact a suicide prevention line? Maybe help them and direct them to it? instead of just kicking them out of the room straight away. That's cruel
 
BritishandProud said:
That's your opinion. Some people come to chatrooms to vent and what if they don't know how to contact a suicide prevention line? Maybe help them and direct them to it? instead of just kicking them out of the room straight away. That's cruel
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I hear what you’re saying. However my post was in context to the original point of the thread which is that of a chatter coming into a chatroom making those claims simply for attention. Making a game of it if you will. I e seen the screenshots from the other thread and if someone is getting kicked multiple times the. It’s clear they’re just looking for attention in a grotesque way. I’ve vented in chat before as I’m sure most of us have. But if someone had real intentions like that they wouldn’t be coming into a chatroom over and over again basically spamming the same thing.
 
BritishandProud said:
Kicking a chatter for talking about wanting to kill themselves shouldn't be a kickable offence!!

Maybe the staff should be caring and be a good listener to someone who feels suicidal? Kicking them would make them feel worse.

Why not be a hero and help them to NOT want to kill themselves? Be supportive and compassionate. When you're depressed you just want someone to talk to, so no...I don't think the staff should be kicking ******** for feeling suicidal - I think that's heartless.
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Mods are babysitters not Doctors or Counsellors, that is not their role at all.

If anything people who want to actually carry out the act of taking their own lives are at even more risk being online chatting to complete random nutjobs, certain mods/admins included, that don't think things through.

There is vast support in plenty of places online assisting with depression, anxiety, loss, frustration, stress etc etc that specialise in that. I totally disagree with you and think the mods should be redirecting those suffering from the afore mentioned to the appropriate place/people to get the proper advice/care they need.
 
While it's kind of hard (but not impossible) to tell wether someone's doing it purely for attention and Internet pitty points, both cases of genuine and not should be kicked, and treated as if it were real, just in case

Something that @TheEridianNinja (dunno if anyone else does) does that is a good idea, is to add a suicide prevention helpline into the kick reason, as they are people actually trained in how to handle those situations, and of they are being serious, they'll get help. And if not... well they'll be gone awhile
 
Well, I'll touch on this. We, as ChatAve Mods, are internet moderators that moderate a room full of trolls and predators. We do our best to keep the rooms safe, but its common knowledge that a lot of stuff can and does slip through the cracks.

We have had trolls before, in my very room WHILE I was modding, tell people they don't like to harm themselves or quip with a "good" when they say they're suicidal.

I've seen instances of people who are genuinely depressed or suicidal ask for help and get completely shut down by the room.

I've seen people who milk it for attention and people who don't.

At the end of the day, if someone is feeling that way, the room may not be safe for them. As someone who's been in that situation, the room can make it way worse. It's not up to us to decide if they're faking it or not, but it is up to us mods to decide how to best protect that user.

What I always do is add resources for various regions and minorities that are best suited for their specific situation. It's always a short kick (15 minutes max) to give them time to actually use those resources (since they now have nothing to do) and come back hopefully feeling 1% better.

What I will not tolerate is anyone telling someone that they are faking being depressed for attention. That is unacceptable. You, unless you have some Master's degree in Psychology I dont know about, have not had any of the proper training to decide that. You are unqualified in that field, act like it. Telling someone they're faking it will inevitably make it worse.

When I was in Freshman year, a girl saw me tic (think tourettes but nonverbal for me) and decided to comment that "tics aren't contagious" (I was friends with someone that also had them) and say I was faking them. She also said some very choice words about me probably faking my entire backstory for attention.

Ladies and gentlemen I was NOT faking tics, my backstory, or my PTSD. I went home that night feeling absolutely awful - my depression somehow having imposter syndrome (your depression doesn't think it's good enough to be depression) and that night was overall not good for me.

I think about that every time someone says they're going to harm themselves in main chat. I've made it clear numerous times that my DMs are a safe space (and generally speaking I won't kick for the whole suicidal thing if they're talking to me or a trusted friend in DMs) and I work to make sure they stay that way.

I issue warnings most of the time for talking about suicidal ideation, one of the most notable times I don't being when I log on and there's 10 reports and half of them are about it.

So to answer the question OP had: Saying you're suicidal for attention is awful. It should be kickable. However, I don't believe it is ever up to a moderator or a chatter to decide what someone else's life, backstory, and experiences are. You just don't know.

To answer the person saying it shouldn't be kickable: My job is to keep chat safe. If someone is talking in main about being suicidal, they risk trolls abusing them for it and predators attempting to use it as leverage. I cannot stand idly by for that. That's not getting into if the graphical language (or the thought itself) doesn't trigger other ******** and cause them extreme grief. Resources, small kick, as a medium-to-last resort. If other mods aren't doing this then I can't speak for them, but the Boys Chat mods have been pretty good about it.

In response to Chopper: nail on the head, in a way. If I have DMs open, that's my attention away from main. Everyone, say it with me, ✨️ don't attack mods if they don't do what you like ✨️

Regardless of the original intention of this post (which is referencing another thread I'll admit I haven't sifted through) there is something to be learned and valued here.
 
Quick glance at the linked thread and I must say, OP - for the safety of those around you, take a frigging psychology class.

You made it sound like JiGSaW was going to hurt himself if you didn't solve his riddles or some honkeydory, not someone just talking a lot about being suicidal.

Everyone is different in millions if not billions of ways. @Soapie can testify that when I'm feeling down and depressed, I literally do not shut up about how crap my life is going. I personally may not be blunt about it, but other - very real - cases do exist where people will downright say "I'm going to hurt myself" and nobody takes it seriously because "why would they actually admit it?" And then they do it. And everyone pretends they're shocked.

You're wanting to ban someone because your personal story (which, regardless of any of this - I AM sorry for your loss) doesn't align with an entire other human beings thought process.

Here are some resources that may help you understand where I'm coming from ✨️

5 Dos and Don’ts – Support and Safety Assessment

supportandsafety.colostate.edu

www.samaritans.org

Myths about suicide

Understanding the facts can help you to help someone struggling to cope.
www.samaritans.org www.samaritans.org
kidshealth.org

My Friend Is Talking About Suicide. What Should I Do? (for Teens)

Have you heard that people who talk about suicide won't go through with it? That's not true. Read this article to learn some of the other warning signs that a person is considering suicide.
kidshealth.org kidshealth.org
 
TheEridianNinja said:
Quick glance at the linked thread and I must say, OP - for the safety of those around you, take a frigging psychology class.

You made it sound like JiGSaW was going to hurt himself if you didn't solve his riddles or some honkeydory, not someone just talking a lot about being suicidal.

Everyone is different in millions if not billions of ways. @Soapie can testify that when I'm feeling down and depressed, I literally do not shut up about how crap my life is going. I personally may not be blunt about it, but other - very real - cases do exist where people will downright say "I'm going to hurt myself" and nobody takes it seriously because "why would they actually admit it?" And then they do it. And everyone pretends they're shocked.

You're wanting to ban someone because your personal story (which, regardless of any of this - I AM sorry for your loss) doesn't align with an entire other human beings thought process.

Here are some resources that may help you understand where I'm coming from ✨️

5 Dos and Don’ts – Support and Safety Assessment

supportandsafety.colostate.edu

www.samaritans.org

Myths about suicide

Understanding the facts can help you to help someone struggling to cope.
www.samaritans.org www.samaritans.org
kidshealth.org

My Friend Is Talking About Suicide. What Should I Do? (for Teens)

Have you heard that people who talk about suicide won't go through with it? That's not true. Read this article to learn some of the other warning signs that a person is considering suicide.
kidshealth.org kidshealth.org
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sry, but i just don't agree with you...

i dont think this person should be banned for talking about suicide, i think they should be banned for using suicide as a means to get attention...

i dont agree w/ you bc it's obvious that this person is only doing it for attention...

it's obvious bc they can go from having perfectly normal conversations w/ ppl, then as soon as those ppl stop paying them any mind they immediately start talking about suicide, & start begging ppl to pls kill them...

that's normal & acceptable to u????

ppl like this person is exactly why ppl don't take depression seriously...
 
It's hard to gage if someone is suicidal or not from a text chat (from personal experience, sometimes people are loud about it and ignored, sometimes people don't say a peep (I've lost a couple of friends to suicide and know many stories and have been suicidal myself)). Maybe the word suicide can get you bot posting a drop list of Links and phone numbers in chat?

But yeah, as mentioned it's not fair to mods to play therapist all of a sudden. A person should definitely get a time out to cool off after a message with resources. It's possible someone might be both manipulative with ideation and really be experiencing ideation.

Again, I lost my fiance to suicide so I always take it with a blanket sincerity "Here's helpful resources, find help— I have" to find that balance.
 
Chaotica_x0x said:
It's hard to gage if someone is suicidal or not from a text chat (from personal experience, sometimes people are loud about it and ignored, sometimes people don't say a peep (I've lost a couple of friends to suicide and know many stories and have been suicidal myself)). Maybe the word suicide can get you bot posting a drop list of Links and phone numbers in chat?

But yeah, as mentioned it's not fair to mods to play therapist all of a sudden. A person should definitely get a time out to cool off after a message with resources. It's possible someone might be both manipulative with ideation and really be experiencing ideation.

Again, I lost my fiance to suicide so I always take it with a blanket sincerity "Here's helpful resources, find help— I have" to find that balance.
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ur absolutely right, it's not a mod or admin's place to play therapist, & being this is the internet they should assume that someone who talks about suicide on an online community with minors is doing it purely for attention...

especially when someone talks about it, & even goes as far as to ask complete random strangers trying to has a normal conversation to kill them anytime someone isn't interacting with them, bc in that instance it couldn't be more obvious that it's only for attention...

how many times are they going to get a *cool off* just to continue to do so, & then turn around after *cooling off* to say that the mods hate them after having been told multiple times that suicide talk is against the rules?? wait til the mods log off, & proceed with doing it???

people like the subject of discussion in the thread i linked make suicide & depression out to be a joke like it's a meme, & that is sociopathic behavior that shouldn't be tolerated, like pedophila tolerating this kind of behavior puts actual lives at risk...
 
It appears this thread has ulterior motives but for what it’s worth………In Adult Chat, suicide talk is against the room rules, so this is how I handle it. If someone posts suicide talk, I warn them to stop and I also provide mental health support information to them. If they continue then I incrementally mute them. If they still continue they are incrementally kicked.
 
Two threads same topic- the one naming a user is being closed.


In General Chat, while I know each and every mod is more than capable of helping a distressed user, Removing them with a kind message to get rl support, or call 911 or such all around is what we do. There are too many trolls and twisted minds more than ready to feed, even as a topic in a general chatroom.

It's not that I want to have/see them removed-somehow that feels uncaring but it's best. Whenever possible I try and include a PM so they don't feel like a drowning person being thrown a rock.

The General Chat room rules (like a few others on site) have a section reminding ******** if they are thinking of self harm to call 911 or a health care professional.)
 
Soapie said:
That's a terrible idea
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no, it's not,

it's not the staff's responsibility to be caregiver to someone who's suicidal, it's the staff's responsibility to protect vulnerable users...

& using suicide & talking about dying for attention is exploiting those same users, which are otherwise too incapacitated with mental anguish to even seek out help... let alone constantly bring it up to total strangers who are trying to mind their own business & chat...

the most responsible thing the staff can do in these situations is assume they aren't serious, tell them to get help if they are serious, & then remove them... especially if it's someone that continues to discuss it...

TheDifference said:
It appears this thread has ulterior motives but for what it’s worth………In Adult Chat, suicide talk is against the room rules, so this is how I handle it. If someone posts suicide talk, I warn them to stop and I also provide mental health support information to them. If they continue then I incrementally mute them. If they still continue they are incrementally kicked.
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there are no ulterior motives, as someone who has experienced the aftermath of a luv'd one killing themselves, i'm sick & tired of this user in general talking about suicide for attention any time the chat stops paying them any mind...

it's inappropriate & disrespectful, i genuinely want to know everyone else's views...
 
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babydolla said:
is exploiting those same users, which are otherwise too incapacitated with mental anguish to even seek out help... let alone constantly bring it up to total strangers who are trying to mind their own business & chat...
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....so if i were to assume they were also faking it, thats gonna help them?

The best thing to do in this situation is to assume that ANYONE talking about suicide is BEING SERIOUS. and provide helplines in a kick reason, a kick issued due to these rooms not being the best place for that kind of thing.

If the person is being serious: they are removed from a toxic environment, and given the correct course of action

If their not: their gone for how ever long, and ignore the help, since they don't actually need it

Assuming EVERYONE is doing it for attention is a terrible idea, as their are people who are serious... if you Assume everyone IS SERIOUS, then the ones who actually are get the help
 
@babydolla alright, since you know more about being suicidal than someone who works with suicidal people, someone that has been locked up more than 6 times for trying to kill themselves (and coming very close), and someone that has studied psychology through multiple classes - I must ask - Where is your psychology degree?

Because my mom has a Bachelors in Psychology and thinks you're stupid as hell. I think you're stupid as hell. Hell, half this thread does not agree with you trying to make being suicidal a black-and-white thing.

Even fully trained professionals cannot properly identify if someone is suicidal through normal conversation. Why can you?

Someone with a Masters in Psychology is required by common practice requirements (institutional protocol, sometimes regional law) to engage in a full, 21 question, examination known as the Beck Depression Inventory, in order to examine whether or not someone is depressed and/or suicidal.

Furthermore, I personally have surprised people with how quickly I can go from cracking jokes and "having a good time" to having a razor blade halfway stuck in my thigh near my groin. Those people? Were three fully trained professionals with masters degrees that work with suicidal people daily.

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!

Your only evidence in the matter is that your dad killed themselves. Again, I'm sorry for your loss. However there are several websites - from various countries and colleges/universities that directly and bluntly say you're incorrect in your assessment and reaction.

I'm ending this comment with something I think you need to consider. Everyone is someone to someone. Do you want your words to be the reason someone has to grieve a loss?

I see it all the time. People seem to think they know if someone is lying - they try to call their bluff and the person winds up ridiculed. And then 24 hours later they're bleeding out in a bathtub.

You're not a professional, stop acting like one.
 
BritishandProud said:
Why not be a hero and help them to NOT want to kill themselves?
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Moderators moderate rooms and the things that happen within those rooms.

We do not moderate people’s personal lives/feelings.

The worst thing an uncertified/unlicensed person can do is be someone’s “hero”, as the majority of the time in these situations, it does more harm than good, no matter how pure the intentions to help may be.

As a humane courtesy (and under zero obligation), we give ******** the direction they need to help them get to a “safe space” where someone is genuinely waiting to help them, regardless of where they live.
 
Soapie said:
The best thing to do in this situation is to assume that ANYONE talking about suicide is BEING SERIOUS.
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Failure to do this literally kills people. Most suicides are planned, premeditated events. Some may stay silent, giving off warning-sign galore. Others will openly talk about wanting to end their lives, practically begging for someone to take them seriously and force them to get help... just to be called a faker and shunned.

I know because I was never the silent type.
 
TheLeigh said:
The worst thing an uncertified/unlicensed person can do is be someone’s “hero”, as the majority of the time and in these situations, it does more harm than good
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This is the cold, hard, truth. Unlicensed people (or at the very least - uneducated people) cannot and should never attempt to interviene without either directly consulting a professional (a by-proxy 988 call) or straight up calling it in.

It's too easy to say the wrong thing.
 
Suicide is real attention seeking or not you can’t expect a ban or to kick them just like a piece of **** that can cause more harm than good to an individual so as HR says talk to them kick them with a nice message but NOT ever say **** off you attention seeking bastard so to speak !!!! You DO not know what people are going through that 5 mins of you taking the time to speak to them could legit save there lives !!!! It’s nice to be nice it don’t cost nothing !!
 
I don’t know why the onus is on a stranger on the internet. What are they going to do or what will they be able to do apart from g00gle a phone number for help?

It is attention seeking, however it’s never selfish. People on the internet who are already fragile really shouldn’t be on it- same applies here.

Also love how certain mods think they’re better than a non mod just because she does not work with people who have contemplated suicide. Don’t be patronising like the way you would speak to the ones you work with.
 
Soapie said:
....so if i were to assume they were also faking it, thats gonna help them?

The best thing to do in this situation is to assume that ANYONE talking about suicide is BEING SERIOUS. and provide helplines in a kick reason, a kick issued due to these rooms not being the best place for that kind of thing.

If the person is being serious: they are removed from a toxic environment, and given the correct course of action

If their not: their gone for how ever long, and ignore the help, since they don't actually need it

Assuming EVERYONE is doing it for attention is a terrible idea, as their are people who are serious... if you Assume everyone IS SERIOUS, then the ones who actually are get the help
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Also, to assume they're faking it would be awful if they actually did commit suicide...the people who accused them of faking it would have to live with that guilt forever because they didn't take them seriously.

So I 100% agree with you
 
Doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor. If you’ve got a lot of friends and you’re popular, or if you’ve got no friends at all. If you’re bright or cognitively impaired. When the party's over, you still have to go home to yourself. Having cognitive distortions/irrational thoughts happens to the best of us.

 
I am a moderator and has experienced the after effect of a suicide in the family. I dislike suicide talk in a chat room, period. Call it PTSD or trying to ignore the issue, go ahead. I just feel cold about the issue.

Same goes for my opinions on those who take their own lives, in which I am not willing to discuss, I will offend people if I do. But that is the way I cope with it.
 
Dindu Nuffin said:
I am a moderator and has experienced the after effect of a suicide in the family. I dislike suicide talk in a chat room, period. Call it PTSD or trying to ignore the issue, go ahead. I just feel cold about the issue.

Same goes for my opinions on those who take their own lives, in which I am not willing to discuss, I will offend people if I do. But that is the way I cope with it.
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It's not all about you. You seem rather selfish.
 
Dindu Nuffin said:
I am a moderator and has experienced the after effect of a suicide in the family. I dislike suicide talk in a chat room, period. Call it PTSD or trying to ignore the issue, go ahead. I just feel cold about the issue.

Same goes for my opinions on those who take their own lives, in which I am not willing to discuss, I will offend people if I do. But that is the way I cope with it.
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i feel for u babe,

talking about suicide isn't a joke, & a chatroom especially one that has minor users is no place to be discussing suicide, it's a subject that should be banned entirely from taking place...

the fact there are some mods here who think they should be acting like therapists & helping these people is extremely bizarre, & inappropriate...

this is the internet, to assume that these users talking about it for anything other than attention is extremely foolish, & disrespectful, they probablys think sanguine is rly a doctor & lawyer / supermodel... 🤷🏼‍♀️

whether theyre serious or not, mods need to do nothing & should do nothing besides enforce the rules by removing them, everyone knows wat the suicide hotline is if they really wanted help they wouldn't be on chatavenue talking about suicide...
 
Luka said:
Also love how certain mods think they’re better than a non mod just because she does not work with people who have contemplated suicide. Don’t be patronising like the way you would speak to the ones you work with.
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We do NOT think we're better. We're saying if you are on our chatroom talking about hurting yourself, we're going to take it seriously because in most cases we aren't trained in that at all - so, some of us put the number up, others don't, no biggie imo.

I dont think im better than OP for anything other than this one simple thing: OP is judging other people and deciding with nothing more than a hunch that they're faking it. No real evidence of the matter at all. Having been in that situation, I know what that could do if they're NOT faking it.

So I apologize if I'm rather aggressive about this, but I've witnessed enough suicides for a lifetime and I don't particularly enjoy someone abusing their ability to hide behind a screen to make life difficult for others. If you aren't professionally trained, it isn't your place to decide it. That's all I'm saying, ain't nothing deeper than that. I ain't trained, I acknowledge that - which is why I take all self-harm talk 1000% seriously.

Sorry if you weren't particularly aiming that at me but given the limited context it seemed as such.
 
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I think it depends on the context of the talk. If you listen it may be a call for help. You may be the one person they trust to vent to or the only person they feel can or will help.
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I have seen it be a call for help more than not. People do use it for attention, sure - but to assume they are by default can end lives. So, I treat every situation as if it's 100% serious. That way those who need help get it, and those who are faking it -- get removed. I really don't get why this is so difficult and mind-boggling to some.
 
bc this isn't just being done for attention at all;

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i can post more, bc it literally never stops no matter how often the mods mute or kick them & tell them to stop, & always only when the entire room stops paying them any attention... they'll even specifically wait until the mods leave to continue unchecked...

how is this not inappropriate, & grossly disrespectful??? IDK frankly how some of u think this is tolerable behavior, it's toxic & psychotic & glorifies suicide... it not only glorifies it, but glorifies it among a community that has potentially vulnerable minors...
 
TheLeigh said:
Moderators moderate rooms and the things that happen within those rooms.

We do not moderate people’s personal lives/feelings.

The worst thing an uncertified/unlicensed person can do is be someone’s “hero”, as the majority of the time in these situations, it does more harm than good, no matter how pure the intentions to help may be.

As a humane courtesy (and under zero obligation), we give ******** the direction they need to help them get to a “safe space” where someone is genuinely waiting to help them, regardless of where they live.
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Excellent post about the consequences.
I may just add ( I know it is not on topic but ... )

This is for everyone.
If you are not cleared by the government to do so, please do not impersonate minors online.
 
September is Suicide awareness month. It is not a topic that I want to chat about, Unfortantly I had 2 people talking about it in my room. I see most people that voted are againt it, and it true its not a topic that its not a topic that I want to chat about, but i am obligated to try to help,
 
Crying for help on a chat site is not the right way to get help.

I would suggest talking to a family member or a therapist.
 
Rachel_NY said:
September is Suicide awareness month. It is not a topic that I want to chat about, Unfortantly I had 2 people talking about it in my room. I see most people that voted are againt it, and it true its not a topic that its not a topic that I want to chat about, but i am obligated to try to help,
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no, ur not obligated to try & help, ur only obligated to enforce the rules & one of the rules universally being no suicide talk...

the fact u feel obligated to help ppl with mental health issues, especially those as severe as this is unbelievably inappropriate, & arrogant...

ur a fuckin' chat-room moderator lmao!!!!

is it so u feel better about urself???
 
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babydolla said:
no, ur not obligated to try & help, ur only obligated to enforce the rules & one of the rules universally being no suicide talk...

the fact u feel obligated to help ppl with mental health issues, especially those as severe as this is unbelievably inappropriate, & arrogant...

ur a fuckin' chat-room moderator lmao!!!!

is it so u feel better about urself???
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they are friends of mine
 
babydolla said:
no, ur not obligated to try & help, ur only obligated to enforce the rules & one of the rules universally being no suicide talk...

the fact u feel obligated to help ppl with mental health issues, especially those as severe as this is unbelievably inappropriate, & arrogant...

ur a fuckin' chat-room moderator lmao!!!!

is it so u feel better about urself???
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Yea I mean chat room moderators aren’t mental health experts. And even if someone has a degree in that field and is moderating here or elsewhere a chat room isn’t the place to serve as counselor for someone who is thinking of self harm. Direct them to a help line. I’ve been suicidal before and I can tell you the last place I thought about was Chat Avenue. So there’s no way I’ll ever believe that anyone who truly is suicidal will come to a chat room to go on about it. And when it’s beyond obvious that someone is doing it for attention that crap should not be tolerated. Full stop.
 
Rachel_NY said:
they are friends of mine
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u want to help ur suicidal friends??? tell them to get off chat-avenue, & seek out a professional...

& if these are ur irl friends, then u get off chat-avenue, & call the emergency services...

wat are u doing???

DarthErica said:
Yea I mean chat room moderators aren’t mental health experts. And even if someone has a degree in that field and is moderating here or elsewhere a chat room isn’t the place to serve as counselor for someone who is thinking of self harm. Direct them to a help line. I’ve been suicidal before and I can tell you the last place I thought about was Chat Avenue. So there’s no way I’ll ever believe that anyone who truly is suicidal will come to a chat room to go on about it. And when it’s beyond obvious that someone is doing it for attention that crap should not be tolerated. Full stop.
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ppl who are genuinely suicidal aren't going on the internet doing sh*t like this;

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bc this isn't just being done for attention at all;

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i can post more, bc it literally never stops no matter how often the mods mute or kick them & tell them to stop, & always only when the entire room stops paying them any attention... they'll even specifically wait until the mods leave to continue unchecked...

how is this not inappropriate, & grossly disrespectful??? IDK frankly how some of u think this is tolerable behavior, it's toxic & psychotic & glorifies suicide... it not only glorifies it, but glorifies it among a community that has potentially vulnerable minors...
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In the past I’d kick them but i leave a message with the suicide hotline number as well as a message just letting them know if they wanted to speak privately they were free to do so. Suicide is a tough topic and the last thing anyone needs is for suicide to be glorified in any way. Best thing is be a good person here so that others know you are safe place should they need someone.
 
Talking of or wanting to commit can be a trigger for people that have real issues, so attention seeking talk is dangerous and should not be tolerated in the chat or forum environment.

Talking of or wanting to commit suicide is a bigger issue than anyone on these forums or in the chat rooms are capable of handling, managing or advising and it would be dangerous by any individual outside of the medical or mental health professions.

A couple of posts I have seen here in the last few days, Michael being one, is a cry for help from a mentally and/or a emotionally disturbed/crippled person and they should be pointed in the right direction for the appropriate help if they chose to do so, BUT people are going to be their own worst enemies and not get the help they need and that will either end in loss or become a vicious cycle of attention seeking.

If people are going to commit suicide, there is very little you can do to stop them other than point them in the direction for help and hope that it helps.

Should it be ignored, MOSTLY NO....BUT you can only lead the horse to water, you can't make them drink.
 
It should not be normalized and people should be kicked for it.

Kick screen should probably be supplemented with national suicide prevention information for due diligence. But that's too much work for some volunteers.
 
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i can post more, bc it literally never stops no matter how often the mods mute or kick them & tell them to stop, & always only when the entire room stops paying them any attention... they'll even specifically wait until the mods leave to continue unchecked...

how is this not inappropriate, & grossly disrespectful??? IDK frankly how some of u think this is tolerable behavior, it's toxic & psychotic & glorifies suicide... it not only glorifies it, but glorifies it among a community that has potentially vulnerable minors...
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You could very well be correct that they're faking it, and I find the behavior reason for a KICK, as per my usual protocol when anyone says they're suicidal - I treat it as serious and provide the resources.

Saying it glorifies suicide is a little silly though. People who fake suicidal ideations drive me crazy, too - but they aren't glorifying it, they're just manipulative degenerates.

But touching back on my original point in all of this: you, nor I, are qualified to classify suicidal ideation. Which means, by default, we can't determine if someone is faking or not.

Even those screenshots aren't enough to convince me that they are faking it. I can think of many instances where I've said "kill me" and everyone kinda chuckled like it was a joke and I winded up having an attempt later. Which I guess is why this all struck a nerve - because it feels borderline personal.

You're attacking someone who displays their ideation, which according to you doesn't ever happen and is only for attention, when I myself have displayed my own ideation and it been 100% serious.

This is what I'm trying to relay to you. We simply don't know and can't be expected to know. We have and - if I have any say - will continue to treat EVERY person that claims to want to hurt themselves (or want to die) as serious, we will remove them from our rooms on the grounds of discussion of suicide, and I have no say in bans but quite frankly I'd be peeved if someone got banned over any of what I've seen so far.

No amount of screenshots or mud-slinging is going to change this simple fact. We aren't qualified to know - you likely are not qualified to know. We assume it's serious because failure to do so can and has ended lives.

UMs, I have no idea if this thread is resolved or not, I know I can't request to close it but this isn't going anywhere productive. Idk, I can't tell ya how to do your job.
 
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If someone is really suicidal they should be on a suicide prevention line, not a chatroom looking for attention
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said like a total psychopath without any empathy for others. Maybe they should have a warning at log-in - psychopaths frequent this chat site pls do not enter if you have feelings and might be going through a hard time.
 
TheEridianNinja said:
You could very well be correct that they're faking it, and I find the behavior reason for a KICK, as per my usual protocol when anyone says they're suicidal - I treat it as serious and provide the resources.

Saying it glorifies suicide is a little silly though. People who fake suicidal ideations drive me crazy, too - but they aren't glorifying it, they're just manipulative degenerates.

But touching back on my original point in all of this: you, nor I, are qualified to classify suicidal ideation. Which means, by default, we can't determine if someone is faking or not.

Even those screenshots aren't enough to convince me that they are faking it. I can think of many instances where I've said "kill me" and everyone kinda chuckled like it was a joke and I winded up having an attempt later. Which I guess is why this all struck a nerve - because it feels borderline personal.

You're attacking someone who displays their ideation, which according to you doesn't ever happen and is only for attention, when I myself have displayed my own ideation and it been 100% serious.

This is what I'm trying to relay to you. We simply don't know and can't be expected to know. We have and - if I have any say - will continue to treat EVERY person that claims to want to hurt themselves (or want to die) as serious, we will remove them from our rooms on the grounds of discussion of suicide, and I have no say in bans but quite frankly I'd be peeved if someone got banned over any of what I've seen so far.

No amount of screenshots or mud-slinging is going to change this simple fact. We aren't qualified to know - you likely are not qualified to know. We assume it's serious because failure to do so can and has ended lives.

UMs, I have no idea if this thread is resolved or not, I know I can't request to close it but this isn't going anywhere productive. Idk, I can't tell ya how to do your job.
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how irresponsible and stupid of you (reeks narcissism). YOU cannot know what someone else is going through. Save your ignorance for yourself when you might find yourself in a similar situation. I hope you come across someone like you right now. Frankly, people like you should be kicked and banned.
 
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said like a total psychopath without any empathy for others. Maybe they should have a warning at log-in - psychopaths frequent this chat site pls do not enter if you have feelings and might be going through a hard time.
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sanguine,

ur literally a low-functioning sociopath, you has cried about killing urself entirely for attention too just bc u were banned from general...

get the hell out of here, ur exactly the kind of person this thread is about
 
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sanguine,

ur literally a low-functioning sociopath, you has cried about killing urself entirely for attention too just bc u were banned from general...

get the hell out of here, ur exactly the kind of person this thread is about
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i think your language shows what a degenerate you are. You log into chat everyday and act like a complete sluuut vying for attention constantly. What's the matter? did a chatter with a real problem log in and took attention away from you? And that warrants you running to forums to undermine a real person going through a hard time? As for what your friends/trolls/regs who posted about me wanting to kill myself, please be assured I have felt no such thing.; but question arises why THEY and YOU haven't been banned for cloning accounts and posting garbage about wanting a chatter to kill themselves.
 
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i think your language shows what a degenerate you are. You log into chat everyday and act like a complete sluuut vying for attention constantly. What's the matter? did a chatter with a real problem log in and took attention away from you? And that warrants you running to forums to undermine a real person going through a hard time? As for what your friends/trolls/regs who posted about me wanting to kill myself, please be assured I have felt no such thing.; but question arises why THEY and YOU haven't been banned.
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weird,

i go on chat maybe 3 days a week, & most of that time is spent being afk doing other sh*t anyway...

i can't count on two hands how many times u has come into chat in just the mere amount of time i actually spend there having a psychotic breakdown, spamming that bc sammy banned u & not us, that he is going to be responsible for ur death bc u cant take the so-called *bullying & abuse* anymore...

their problems are just as real as u being a lawyer / doctor / super model...

& i'm not banned bc i'm not some twisted unhinged sociopathic old hag like u, so u can f*ck off witch bc im not dorothy...
 
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weird,

i go on chat maybe 3 days a week, & most of that time is spent being afk doing other sh*t anyway...

i can't count on two hands how many times u has come into chat having a psychotic breakdown, spamming that bc sammy banned u & not us, that he is going to be responsible for ur death bc u cant take the so-called *bullying & abuse* anymore...

their problems are just as real as u being a lawyer / doctor / super model...

i'm not banned, bc unlike u i'm not a twisted sociopathic old hag like u, so u can f*ck off witch bc im not dorothy...
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listen to yourself !!! you sound like a total loon repeating the rubbish being disseminated by your troll friends. Stop doing drugs. You're incomprehensible. Grow some self respect and stop attacking other people because they don't play along with your self-absorbed crap. YOU cannot know what other people are going through, so stop acting like you own this chat site and decide who can and can't be here. There are people who have gone to war, there are people who have been through REAL trauma, others who are trying to process some major sh..it in their lives. They come here to try and connect, not have you and your troll buddies abusing them. Show some compassion and extend a hand of friendship. This world isn't just about you and your troll buddies.
 
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Aw bless ! triggered are you . Time to do what you do best and make another account .
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please stop making things up and pls stop stalking me in forums. Thanks. Unlike you, I'm too busy with grown up responsibilities to play your mod troll games. Stop making this place your life Kim and stop being obsessed with me.
 
Abigail 19 said:
listen to yourself !!! you sound like a total loon repeating the rubbish being disseminated by your troll friends. Stop doing drugs. You're incomprehensible. Grow some self respect and stop attacking other people because they don't play along with your self-absorbed crap. YOU cannot know what other people are going through, so stop acting like you own this chat site and decide who can and can't be here. There are people who have gone to war, there are people who have been through REAL trauma, others who are trying to process some major sh..it in their lives. They come here to try and connect, not have you and your troll buddies abusing them. Show some compassion and extend a hand of friendship. This world isn't just about you and your troll buddies.
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oh yeah,

im sure the person begging total strangers on chat minding their own business trying to has normal conversations to *pls kill me* & telling them how they cant wait to die, while calling themselves a *depresso bean* isnt just desperate for attention & making a mockery of ppl actually struggling with depression, & is totally at risk of genuinely killing themselves…

just like u everytime ur banned, bc ur both psychotic degenerates & she too should be banned along with u frankly…

im going to bed now, since its 5:30 in the morning & im sleepy after coming back from the club at 3 bc unlike u i dont stalk this website 24/7 💁🏼‍♀️

has a horrible day, sanguine ~

lmao 💅🏻
 
Abigail 19 said:
please stop making things up and pls stop stalking me in forums. Thanks. Unlike you, I'm too busy with grown up responsibilities to play your mod troll games. Stop making this place your life Kim and stop being obsessed with me.
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Yet you seem to reply to every post.
Nothings is made up all myself and countless people have done is call you out on your bullshit whilst you STILL lie and say you didn't fake your death , time and again .
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Kim said:
Yet you seem to reply to every post.
Nothings is made up all myself and countless people have done is call you out on your bullshit whilst you STILL lie and say you didn't fake your death , time and again .
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get a life Kim. After all these years, you still stalk me to post the crap you and mememe made up about me. Cloning my account and posting rubbish about killing myself. This was the admin & mod folks !!! These are older adult women folks !!! Kim, your incessant obsession with stalking me many years later and reviving your antics only goes to show your psychopathy is pathological. Hey, I'll even post the lingerie pic so you and mememe can go completely ballistic with jealousy. Grown adult women folks!!! There it is.
 
most actual suicidal people don't crave attention most just do it. I have wanted to die for years and never have once wanted attention for it. one day i will do it. at the moment i don't do it purely cause my mother is alive once she dies im going with her. this world is not for me. it depends on the person though my uncle just killed himself after his wife cheated on him. he also said nothing juet one day was alive the next dead.
 
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most actual suicidal people don't crave attention most just do it. I have wanted to die for years and never have once wanted attention for it. one day i will do it. at the moment i don't do it purely cause my mother is alive once she dies im going with her. this world is not for me. it depends on the person though my uncle just killed himself after his wife cheated on him. he also said nothing juet one day was alive the next dead.
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As much welp, that’s spot on. Of course it differs by individual. Thanks for sharing.
 
kanooook said:
most actual suicidal people don't crave attention most just do it. I have wanted to die for years and never have once wanted attention for it. one day i will do it. at the moment i don't do it purely cause my mother is alive once she dies im going with her. this world is not for me. it depends on the person though my uncle just killed himself after his wife cheated on him. he also said nothing juet one day was alive the next dead.
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i agree, someone who is genuinely suicidal suffers silently…

while all ppl are different, & no two ppl suffers the same, but they certainly aren’t mentioning it so much it becomes part of their personality like abigail or katelyn & they certainly aren’t going to do it on some obscure chatroom too…

no, anyone who does this is obviously doing it for attention, & everyone who does this should be assumed to be doing the same…

the fact there are mods who think it’s their moral obligation to handle it by doing anything other than enforcing the rules is laughable & disgusting… probablys only feels that way to make themselves feel better or bc they fell into the trap believing *everyone’s feelings matter* even when its just manipulative bullsh*t lmao

my father didn’t brag about wanting to die, or asked total strangers to off him, no just as u described one day he was alive & the next day he wasn’t & no one had or has still a fuckin’ clue as to wat was putting him into so much pain he felt the need to do that… 🤷🏼‍♀️
 
To the OP: going on Day 8 of this thread. You’ve gotten feedback from staff and users alike. What else are you hoping to accomplish here? Just wondering.
 
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To the OP: going on Day 8 of this thread. You’ve gotten feedback from staff and users alike. What else are you hoping to accomplish here? Just wondering.
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i am trying accomplish making talking about suicide a bannable offense, bc it’s just as dangerous to discuss or have among minors as pedophilia is…

especially when it’s a ruse as old as the internet itself, that ruse being; ppl using the subject of suicide as means to garner attention for themselves, & further their ulterior motives, katelyn_uk & abigail (sanguine) being perfect examples of exactly these kinds of sociopaths…

i am not closing the thread if that is wat ur trying to hint at me doing, sorry pal 🫱🏻
 
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i am trying accomplish making talking about suicide a bannable offense, bc it’s just as dangerous to discuss or have among minors as pedophilia is…

especially when it’s a ruse as old as the internet itself, that ruse being; ppl using the subject of suicide as means to garner attention for themselves, & further their ulterior motives, katelyn_uk & abigail (sanguine) being perfect examples of exactly these kinds of sociopaths…

i am not closing the thread if that is wat ur trying to hint at me doing, sorry pal 🫱🏻
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Understood. You’re aware that the owners decide what are bannable offenses right? And that the only thing continuing this thread will accomplish is talking even more about suicide?
 
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Understood. You’re aware that the owners decide what are bannable offenses right? And that the only thing continuing this thread will accomplish is talking even more about suicide?
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more reason to keep the thread open, & continue the discussion about how talking about suicide on this chat, which has an underage user base should be a bannable offense…

bc its extremely common that on the internet particularly websites like these ppl only mention it for attention… thus, talking about wanting to kill urself is just as dangerous to the minors here as pedophilia is, bc such talk just glorifies it the fact 5 people voted yes shows this is a real problem of glorifying suicide for attention…

ur trickery wont work on me, sorcerer, u need to level up ur reverse psychology skills…

tldr: the thread stays open, so the discussion can continue, & maybe then the owner will see that me, dolla, is right about it being a bannable offense 💁🏼‍♀️

good day to u, sir
 
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more reason to keep the thread open, & continue the discussion about how talking about suicide on this chat, which has an underage user base should be a bannable offense…

bc its extremely common that on the internet particularly websites like these ppl only mention it for attention… thus, talking about wanting to kill urself is just as dangerous to the minors here as pedophilia is, bc such talk just glorifies it the fact 5 people voted yes shows this is a real problem of glorifying suicide for attention…

ur trickery wont work on me, sorcerer, u need to level up ur reverse psychology skills…

tldr: the thread stays open, so the discussion can continue, & maybe then the owner will see that me, dolla, is right about it being a bannable offense 💁🏼‍♀️

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don’t worry he has his nose up so many holes he’s nocturnal and just a general case of vagina thrush. Irritant c*nt and will try deflect when you call him out. Ignore at best, also shouts at kids chat mods.
 
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don’t worry he has his nose up so many holes he’s nocturnal and just a general case of vagina thrush. Irritant c*nt and will try deflect when you call him out. Ignore at best, also shouts at kids chat mods.
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he rly tried to trick me with mind games into closing my own goddamn thread; *just trying to point something out to u*

got some fuckin’ nerve lmao good thing im too smart for those shenanigans, im only seemingly stupid 💅🏻

meanwhile, im just trying to point out that maybe if suicide talk was a bannable offense, it would not only deter deranged lunatics from using it to get attention & gaslight people…

but maybe it would actually encourage those afflicted with these thoughts to get the hell off the chat, & get genuine help…

& u wouldnt has moderator’s thinking they hold some kind of moral high ground, trying to play hero with psychopaths, that are just milking their sympathy like the emotional fuckin’ vampires that im pointing out as them actually being…
 
As I already said, I wasn’t trying to “trick” you at all. I was just wondering what else there is to accomplish here. You made your point. You got feedback from staff and users. You don’t want people talking about suicide in chat but the only thing left for this thread to do is to continue to talk about suicide and go around and around and around. But hey, it’s your thread so carry on.
 
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As I already said, I wasn’t trying to “trick” you at all. I was just wondering what else there is to accomplish here. You made your point. You got feedback from staff and users. You don’t want people talking about suicide in chat but the only thing left for this thread to do is to continue to talk about suicide and go around and around and around. But hey, it’s your thread so carry on.
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thx for ur permission to continue, it still seems like u were trying to use some bougie jedi mind tricks on me, but w.e we’re passed that now 💁🏼‍♀️

the subject isn’t suicide, the subject isn’t inherently even about suicide, it’s about how discussing suicide should be a bannable offense bc ppl more often than not just use it for manipulative means, & how doing so is grossly inappropriate & disrespectful to victims of suicide, & poisonous to the mind of minors & so shouldn’t be any less tolerated than pedophila, in fact the two should be treated one in the same…

this is how i know ur trying to use some half assed reverse psychology, bc ur completely contorting wat the subject matter of the topic actually is, level ur fuckin’ skills up, goddd

there are still plenty of ppl who has not given their insight, so there is plenty of reason still to not close this thread…

so @TheDifference unless u has something more to contribute that doesnt consist of trying to gaslight me, im just going to stop acknowledging u, sir… 💁🏼‍♀️
 
People don't talk about suicide for attention. You should be a shoulder to lean on for them@babydolla. You wouldn't want your family or friends or your neighbors to take there life. You should be there to talk to them so they won't take there own life. Maybe they need somebody to talk to. It's not attention seeking. They are seeking out for a friend or somebody to talk to on here. They might have no one to talk to in real life. Care for them. Love on them. Have your shoulders available for them to cry on. Some need help and avd just looking for a kind person to speak to on here. That's all. I take suicide very seriously. I know people in real life that have taken their life because they were bullied badly and other personal issues and all they want is somebody to talk to. Enough said!
 
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People don't talk about suicide for attention. You should be a shoulder to lean on for them@babydolla. You wouldn't want your family or friends or your neighbors to take there life. You should be there to talk to them so they won't take there own life. Maybe they need somebody to talk to. It's not attention seeking. They are seeking out for a friend or somebody to talk to on here. They might have no one to talk to in real life. Care for them. Love on them. Have your shoulders available for them to cry on. Some need help and avd just looking for a kind person to speak to on here. That's all. I take suicide very seriously. I know people in real life that have taken their life because they were bullied badly and other personal issues and all they want is somebody to talk to. Enough said!
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all that is doing is enabling the behavior, & continuing the vicious cycle feeding completely into it...

exactly why it should be a bannable offense to discuss, bc of ppl like u thinking that ur qualified to help ppl when neither u or the mods has no obligation in doing so & rightfully so considering these aren't actually victims ur *comforting* they're predators...

even if they rly are serious, who hell are u? u will just lead them astray bc ur an unqualified nobody...

if they REALLY need someone to talk to, & were really at risk of killing themselves then they shouldn't be on chat-avenue leaning on you or me for support, *they may have no one in real life to talk to* u know there are ppl that make entire livings helping ppl like this right??? they could easily reach out to someone if they need help, there are outlets available & this website is not one of them...

certainly neither are u, or anyone else here, especially the high & mighty mods that i didn't even bother actually dignifying further with a response bc it's honestly just gross...

if 8 out of 10 things u say on a chatroom is related to suicide, ur saying those things for one reason only & that is bc ur an emotional vampire trying to milk ppl like urself for sympathy, & attention & it's ppl like u that allows them to think that they can get away with doing it...

the fact that u actually encourage this kind of behavior makes me think that youre an insidious & malicious liar that never had a single person in ur sad lil' life actually commit suicide, bc there would be no way u would think that this is OK & appropriate if u did... bc that is anything but a massive spit in the faces of everyone that has actually killed themselves & actual victims of luv'd ones doing so like myself... not you...

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u officially disgust me, everyone is 100% right about u 🤷🏼‍♀️

P.S: @Princessa i didn't see u put ur hand out & offer ur shoulder to be an outlet for @Abigail 19 to cry on... bc shes one of those sweet innocent victims that are so precious to u, that which according to u, talk about killing themselves as cries for help & totally not for attention at all... the very same that YOU voted as worse than hannah on my thread... before sammy, or ness deleted it... ironic... 💅🏼
 
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This is kind of like the whole manipulation tactics (mostly)girls do to keep a man. They say they're pregnant, suicidal, etc . Anything to keep being the center of attention. In those situations it is also advised to stay away from them and give them a referral to the hotline if you really think it's an issue.

It is possible to be empathetic without being judgemental. You can talk to them and hand them the number of a professional who has years of training and experience.

There's really know way to know whether someone is telling the truth or lies but if they don't heed your advice there's really no necessity in continuing to enable their behaviour.

Not saying strangers aren't deserving of empathy as opposed to loved ones. But if you agree being suicidal is bad to begin with, these people who are suicidal enough to verbally communicate to anyone In a chatroom should not have a problem articulating why it is they feel the way they feel at a personal level.

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said like a total psychopath without any empathy for others. Maybe they should have a warning at log-in - psychopaths frequent this chat site pls do not enter if you have feelings and might be going through a hard time.
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You just described yourself in full.
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get a life Kim. After all these years, you still stalk me to post the crap you and mememe made up about me. Cloning my account and posting rubbish about killing myself. This was the admin & mod folks !!! These are older adult women folks !!! Kim, your incessant obsession with stalking me many years later and reviving your antics only goes to show your psychopathy is pathological. Hey, I'll even post the lingerie pic so you and mememe can go completely ballistic with jealousy. Grown adult women folks!!! There it is.
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I know you are completely obsessed with me, but Abigail, Sanguine, etc, lawyer, doctor, high priced hooker et.al please log off and get some help Mike!
 
someone pls enlighten me on how this conversation doesn't display how obvious it is that this is being done entirely for attention, & for no other reason besides that...

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u can't help but not talk about suicide on a chatroom??? that's an extremely bizarre impulse for a genuinely suicidal person to has, almost like theyre just making it up so ppl pity them, & making up excuses to justify it...

but no, this person isn't doing it for attention at all... 🙄🙄🙄

@Samwise
 
As someone who's dealt with SH and suicidal thoughts for a few years... this has been stated already, but you never know what someone's going through and people have different ways of coping. I've talked about these issues and thoughts to friends in the chat before, and other people have as well. The person @babydolla is referring to does seem to be doing it for attention tbh, but you can't know for sure.

It's true that some people/trolls fake this for attention (which is extremely shitty and should be actionable if it's proven IMO), but it would be dumb to assume that everyone who mentions suicide/suicidal thoughts in a chat room is lying for attention.

So, if someone's breaking rules about suicide talk, then they should be warned that the topic isn't allowed, and redirected to professional help. They should NOT be banned and should NOT be assumed to be liars.
 
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As someone who's dealt with SH and suicidal thoughts for a few years... this has been stated already, but you never know what someone's going through and people have different ways of coping. I've talked about these issues and thoughts to friends in the chat before, and other people have as well. The person @babydolla is referring to does seem to be doing it for attention tbh, but you can't know for sure.

It's true that some people/trolls fake this for attention (which is extremely shitty and should be actionable if it's proven IMO), but it would be dumb to assume that everyone who mentions suicide/suicidal thoughts in a chat room is lying for attention.

So, if someone's breaking rules about suicide talk, then they should be warned that the topic isn't allowed, and redirected to professional help. They should NOT be banned and should NOT be assumed to be liars.
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I dont think anyone is saying everyone who does it, does it for attention, but this one does. Hours upon hours in chat constant I want to die, someone kill me et al. I have her on ignore, but just before this was SS she was having a perfectly fine conversation with someone else in chat and as soon as they left back to this. Its actually sad and makes a mockery out of those who genuinely are seeking assistance and to those loved ones who took this route and those who mourn them. Considering its General Chat nothing will be done about it.
 
Radiation said:
As someone who's dealt with SH and suicidal thoughts for a few years... this has been stated already, but you never know what someone's going through and people have different ways of coping. I've talked about these issues and thoughts to friends in the chat before, and other people have as well. The person @babydolla is referring to does seem to be doing it for attention tbh, but you can't know for sure.

It's true that some people/trolls fake this for attention (which is extremely shitty and should be actionable if it's proven IMO), but it would be dumb to assume that everyone who mentions suicide/suicidal thoughts in a chat room is lying for attention.

So, if someone's breaking rules about suicide talk, then they should be warned that the topic isn't allowed, and redirected to professional help. They should NOT be banned and should NOT be assumed to be liars.
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it's foolish not to assume that theyre doing it for anything other than for attention...

you wouldn't assume that sanguine is serious about killing herself when she goes on tirades about it after being banned, you wouldn't assume that dionysus is serious about killing himself after being exposed as a pervert..

if you got a scam phone call from the IRS, or an e-mail from a nigerian prince would you assume that those are serious too??? of course not, because this is the internet & taking anything at face value is foolish, especially here...

how many times are u going to warn the same person, how many times are u going to refer them to a suicide prevention hotline??? at some point u has to be like *okie this person isn't serious, & clearlys theyre just doing it to be edgy & milk it for attention* bc i do agree that not everyone does it for attention, some do it sarcastically, some do it to express their disapproval, etc but a line needs to be drawn somewhere or it'll never stop, & that deterrent should be a risk of being banned if at the very least u don't stop & it becomes clear that ur doing it for attention (like katelyn_uk, sanguine, dionysus, etc)...

mentioning suicide isn't wat shouldn't be banned perse, even though in a perfect world it would be bc no one would has the desire to kill themselves then... BUT talking about it & expressing it for attention & to manipulate a person's sympathy should be a bannable offense bc it's as i've said; inappropriate, disrespectful, disgusting, & a massive slap in the face to everyone that ever has or knew someone that they luv'd that killed themselves...

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I dont think anyone is saying everyone who does it, does it for attention, but this one does. Hours upon hours in chat constant I want to die, someone kill me et al. I have her on ignore, but just before this was SS she was having a perfectly fine conversation with someone else in chat and as soon as they left back to this. Its actually sad and makes a mockery out of those who genuinely are seeking assistance and to those loved ones who took this route and those who mourn them. Considering its General Chat nothing will be done about it.
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exactly, the very same was taking place the other day, totally capable of engaging in normal positive conversations but the moment that person who is talking to them leaves the chat or simply begins talking about something else with someone else she immediately starts going on about how she can't wait to die, & then disrupts the conversation by asking ppl who are just minding their own business to please kill them...

glad other ppl who see this are starting to speak out about it & how disgusting, inappropriate, & outright annoying it is bc frankly it's every single time she is there without fail...

the mods will mute, & kick, & warn about doing it, they'll even admittedly be very nice about it... but then she turns around, continues to do it anyway, complain that the mods all collectively hate her & then be completely silent until the mods aren't there anymore & the moment they leave she begins with the *i cant wait to die* - *______ pls kill me* - *i want to die* -

oh & my absolute favorite, for anyone who wants to try & say that this person isn't doing it for attention, & isn't a twisted scumbag that spends time in a chatroom with underage users GLORIFYING SUICIDE, take a look at this;

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totally not a psychopath right??? wishing death on me bc i started to report them everytime they even remotely mention anything related to suicide & they has been getting muted & kicked for it...

but no, she & everyone else like her are totally serious... 🤦🏼‍♀️
 
babydolla said:
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totally not a psychopath right??? wishing death on me bc i started to report them everytime they even remotely mention anything related to suicide & they has been getting muted & kicked for it...

but no, she & everyone else like her are totally serious... 🤦🏼‍♀️
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Yeah you're definitely right about that user. The part I disagree with is this:
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i agree, someone who is genuinely suicidal suffers silently…

anyone who does this is obviously doing it for attention, & everyone who does this should be assumed to be doing the same…
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Some people talk about this and are actually serious, so no, you shouldn't assume everyone talking about suicide is a troll, and you couldn't possibly know that for sure either.
 
Take it away katelyn_uk!

The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger, watch it grin 🎵

Now all together!

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it
If I please 🎵
 
Radiation said:
Yeah you're definitely right about that user. The part I disagree with is this:

Some people talk about this and are actually serious, so no, you shouldn't assume everyone talking about suicide is a troll, and you couldn't possibly know that for sure either.
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i definitelys agree, so allow me to reiterate;

when i say that someone who is genuinely suicidal suffers silently, i am not by any means trying to make it seem like i am meaning that a genuinely suicidal person is totally silent about it...

quite the contrary' there are of course red flags...

vague comments about it, behavioral signs, & outbursts that may result in tirades that are all about killing themselves; they may has discussions about it with their friends, or their family, a trusted professional but typically it's only ppl that are extremely close to them...

so when i say a genuinely suicidal person suffers silently, they're only talking about it with ppl who are very close to them that they trust, not total strangers on a chatroom if at all - especially not in the main chat for everyone to see, disrupting totally normal conversations with wat amounts to pure toxicity; & in most cases, they won't even express those desires to anyone even those closets to them, just that the ones who are sincere about these desires that eventually do will only do so w/ those they trust deeply...

sanguine, katelyn_uk, dionysus, & anyone else who has before i became a member of this community are not one of those ppl with these sincere desires...

sadly, that is all too common on the internet & much more common than those who are actually sincerely suicidal & bless those that are; bc they are undermined entirely by ppl like this, & that is why its sad & as sad as it may be its exactly why it should be treated with the assumption that these ppl are rly just emotional vampires bc 9/10 times someone is talking about killing themselves on the internet its for a pity party & nothing else...

hope that clears my point up better as to why it should be a bannable offense...

either all of it is okie, or none of it is & for the sake of children not being exposed to this toxic behavior & glorification as well those truly suffering or has been victims of someone they luv killing themselves none it should be okie...
 
@Samwise,

as admin of the chat the person of interest is a part of, the same chat where too often these kinds of things are brought up & acted on out of desperation for attention…

+ with all the opinions, & points made, as well the screen shots posted as examples of this extremely toxic & regressive behavior;

i want to know… wat is ur insight on the topic as a whole & the person of interest, sammy??? 🧐
 
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i agree, someone who is genuinely suicidal suffers silently…

while all ppl are different, & no two ppl suffers the same, but they certainly aren’t mentioning it so much it becomes part of their personality like abigail or katelyn & they certainly aren’t going to do it on some obscure chatroom too…

no, anyone who does this is obviously doing it for attention, & everyone who does this should be assumed to be doing the same…

the fact there are mods who think it’s their moral obligation to handle it by doing anything other than enforcing the rules is laughable & disgusting… probablys only feels that way to make themselves feel better or bc they fell into the trap believing *everyone’s feelings matter* even when its just manipulative bullsh*t lmao

my father didn’t brag about wanting to die, or asked total strangers to off him, no just as u described one day he was alive & the next day he wasn’t & no one had or has still a fuckin’ clue as to wat was putting him into so much pain he felt the need to do that… 🤷🏼‍♀️
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perhaps your father would not have killed himself if he felt he could have talked about it........ and not been silenced or accused of attention-seeking... just think about it. And sorry to hear for your loss.
 
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