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it doesnt matter how respectful u convey ur opinion... for instance, i never once said anything derogatory towards Him (@DarthErica) & i got grouped in with the likes of Loki using actual slurs... l0l

this is why its so ironic to me that these types call everyone else the nazis, god forbid u have a different opinion & don't accept their lifestyle or approve of their integration with the biological gender they're trying to masquerade as... you're automatically the fascist, transphobic, bigot, & deserved to be punched in the face for being a nazi...

which is weird, bc fascism is exactly that, but u know wat they say u won't recognize modern fascists as fascists bc they'll be disguised as something else entirely... * COUGH PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS COUGH *
 
it doesnt matter how respectful u convey ur opinion... for instance, i never once said anything derogatory towards Him (@DarthErica) & i got grouped in with the likes of Loki using actual slurs... l0l

this is why its so ironic to me that these types call everyone else the nazis, god forbid u have a different opinion & don't accept their lifestyle or approve of their integration with the biological gender they're trying to masquerade as... you're automatically the fascist, transphobic, bigot, & deserved to be punched in the face for being a nazi...

which is weird, bc fascism is exactly that, but u know wat they say u won't recognize modern fascists as fascists bc they'll be disguised as something else entirely... * COUGH PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS COUGH *
babydolla said:
i dont agree w/ your delusional lifestyle & don't respect or agree with u being a woman bc ur biologically not & never will be

ur too wrapped up in being a sissy u attack me as *transphobic* .. get over urself lmao

Never said anything derogatory to me huh? 😏. Good thing I have receipts lol. Get lost you unsavory irrelevant troll. 😂
 
babydolla said:
i dont agree w/ your delusional lifestyle & don't respect or agree with u being a woman bc ur biologically not & never will be

ur too wrapped up in being a sissy u attack me as *transphobic* .. get over urself lmao

Never said anything derogatory to me huh? 😏. Good thing I have receipts lol. Get lost you unsavory irrelevant troll. 😂

literally none of that is derogatory l0l

here's an example of something derogatory:

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so if ur rly offended bc i called u a sissy, then i honestly feel bad for u & maybe u should take a step back from ur sheltered lil' life & see that no, not everyone is going to automatically respect u & ur choices bc u feel like ur obligated to respect & acceptance for just existing...

youre so out of touch with reality its honestly crazy, & it's no surprise that u actually think youre the opposite sex just based on how far out of touch u rly are... l0l

real discrimination is when ur attacked for something u has no control over like ur sexuality & ur race... u chose to identify as a woman rather than seek actual psychiatric care for ur gender / body dysmorphia & other mental illnesses u clearlys are neglecting care for... so spare me the *ur transphobic* garbage lmao

u don't know real discrimination, wouldnt last 10 mins in texas having ur mentality, & i lived here my whole life lmao
 
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literally none of that is derogatory l0l

here's an example of something derogatory:

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so if ur rly offended bc i called u a sissy, then i honestly feel bad for u & maybe u should take a step back from ur sheltered lil' life & see that no, not everyone is going to automatically respect u & ur choices bc u feel like ur obligated to respect & acceptance for just existing...

youre so out of touch with reality its honestly crazy, & it's no surprise that u actually think youre the opposite sex just based on how far out of touch u rly are... l0l

real discrimination is when ur attacked for something u has no control over like ur sexuality & ur race... u chose to identify as a woman rather than seek actual psychiatric care for ur gender / body dysmorphia & other mental illnesses u clearlys are neglecting care for... so spare me the *ur transphobic* garbage lmao
Lmao 🤣🤣. Omg nearly everything you just said was literally derogatory lol 😂. But then again I wouldn’t expect an ignorant evolutionary throwback like you to understand 😂. And yea, you’re still a bigot and a transphobe. You don’t try to hide it, but you wanna deny it which makes you all the more pathetic and laughable lol. Now go away you insufferable little creetin.😚
 
Lmao 🤣🤣. Omg nearly everything you just said was literally derogatory lol 😂. But then again I wouldn’t expect an ignorant evolutionary throwback like you to understand 😂. And yea, you’re still a bigot and a transphobe. You don’t try to hide it, but you wanna deny it which makes you all the more pathetic and laughable lol. Now go away you insufferable little creetin.😚

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Why transphobia and bigotry is allowed to be spread on this platform is beyond me. These people are not looking to crate a debatable topic. They’re just looking to spread and voice their bigotry is all. It should be shut down
Literally every thread having to do with trans people the first thing you do is go in and tell everyone in it they are transphobic.

What is transphobic about wanting to create a division for them so they can compete with their kind.

What have you contributed to the topic of this debate which is, sports/womens sports? (other than hate)
 
Literally every thread having to do with trans people the first thing you do is go in and tell everyone in it they are transphobic.

What is transphobic about wanting to create a division for them so they can compete with their kind.

What have you contributed to the topic of this debate which is, sports/womens sports? (other than hate)
Ok Elroy. I will answer you. You weren’t mean in your response so I will answer in kind. For one you have to understand that myself and transgender women who are undergoing HRT which stands for hormone replacement therapy means that our bodies are no longer the same as they were before. So for example my muscle mass isn’t the same as it would be. If you start even younger than I did it could change even bone structure with a more feminine structure. So it’s not just a “guy in a dress”. So with hormone replacement therapy it does change the physiology of a person. Both mentally and physically. So a transgender woman competing in sports is not a guy. It is in fact a woman who has undergone much treatment both medically and psychologically. Much like myself. So I have no hate. But I will call out transphobia when I see it. I dont mean to offend anyone. I simply want to educate people and open eyes when I can is all.
 
To put it another way Elroy lemme say this. I dunno if you’re gay straight or whatever. I don’t care. It’s none of my business. But I’m gonna assume that you wanna be respected as a human being? That’s all I ask as well. Me and everyone else.
 
You were respected. I didn’t deny your humanity. You just kept being defensive. Yes you still are a man in a dress just a weaker one according to your own post about muscle and body mass etc.

Still got a dingaling.
 
I have never played woman's sport, so I wouldn't know therefore I have no opinion what-so-ever.

I know I have played sports where both genders can be involved and compete against each other and I have been beaten by good female players through my teens and early 20's.

So my personal opinion is it is a tough subject, it is divisive, probably more divisive than it needs to be, and no one is going to be happy with the outcomes.

Genuine sufferers of Gender Dysphoria have it tough and it is distressing watching someone try and consolidate mind and body.
 
Ok Elroy. I will answer you. You weren’t mean in your response so I will answer in kind. For one you have to understand that myself and transgender women who are undergoing HRT which stands for hormone replacement therapy means that our bodies are no longer the same as they were before. So for example my muscle mass isn’t the same as it would be. If you start even younger than I did it could change even bone structure with a more feminine structure. So it’s not just a “guy in a dress”. So with hormone replacement therapy it does change the physiology of a person. Both mentally and physically. So a transgender woman competing in sports is not a guy. It is in fact a woman who has undergone much treatment both medically and psychologically. Much like myself. So I have no hate. But I will call out transphobia when I see it. I dont mean to offend anyone. I simply want to educate people and open eyes when I can is all.

It changes their physiology no doubt, im not denying that. What it doesnt do is turn their physiology into that of a natural born female.

I dont think i need to explain the vast performance advantage that men have over women in sports but

Here are some excerpts from a scientific study (not chat ave opinions) regarding changes in physiology;

BONE MINERAL DENSITY
Some retrieved studies present data pertaining to maintained BMD in transgender women after many years of testosterone suppression. One such study concluded that “BMD is preserved over a median of 12.5 years

Given the maintenance of BMD and the lack of a plausible biological mechanism by which testosterone suppression might affect skeletal measurements such as bone length and hip width, we conclude that height and skeletal parameters remain unaltered in transgender women, and that sporting advantage conferred by skeletal size and bone density would be retained despite testosterone reductions compliant with the IOC’s current guidelines. This is of particular relevance to sports where height, limb length and handspan are key (e.g. basketball, volleyball, handball) and where high movement efficiency is advantageous.

MUSCLE
The collective evidence from these studies suggests that 12 months, which is the most commonly examined intervention period, of testosterone suppression to female-typical reference levels results in a modest (approximately − 5%) loss of lean body mass or muscle size (Table 4). No study has reported muscle loss exceeding the − 12% found by Gooren and Bunck after 3 years of therapy. We, therefore, conclude that the muscle mass advantage males possess over females, and the performance implications thereof, are not removed by the currently studied durations (4 months, 1, 2 and 3 years) of testosterone suppression in transgender women.

CARDIO/ENDURANCE
No controlled longitudinal study has explored the effects of testosterone suppression on endurance-based performance.
Thus, while a reduction in hemoglobin is strongly predicted to impact aerobic capacity and reduce endurance performance in transgender women, it is unlikely to completely close the baseline gap in aerobic capacity between males and females.

CONCLUSION
The data presented here demonstrate that superior anthropometric, muscle mass and strength parameters achieved by males at puberty, and underpinning a considerable portion of the male performance advantage over females, are not removed by the current regimen of testosterone suppression permitting participation of transgender women in female sports categories. Rather, it appears that the male performance advantage remains substantial. Currently, there is no consensus on an acceptable degree of residual advantage held by transgender women that would be tolerable in the female category of sport.

MY OPINION
I agree with everything said in this scientific study. You can argue that these studies were largely performed by MTF transgender participants who have already experienced puberty in some part but then that would mean you need to convince me that we need to start diagnosing 4 year olds with gender dysphoria and treating prebuscent children who are still developing their brains and bodies with HRT etc and treating them like guinea pigs. That is never going to happen.

NONE of this has to do with being treated with respect.
 
It changes their physiology no doubt, im not denying that. What it doesnt do is turn their physiology into that of a natural born female.

I dont think i need to explain the vast performance advantage that men have over women in sports but

Here are some excerpts from a scientific study (not chat ave opinions) regarding changes in physiology;

BONE MINERAL DENSITY
Some retrieved studies present data pertaining to maintained BMD in transgender women after many years of testosterone suppression. One such study concluded that “BMD is preserved over a median of 12.5 years

Given the maintenance of BMD and the lack of a plausible biological mechanism by which testosterone suppression might affect skeletal measurements such as bone length and hip width, we conclude that height and skeletal parameters remain unaltered in transgender women, and that sporting advantage conferred by skeletal size and bone density would be retained despite testosterone reductions compliant with the IOC’s current guidelines. This is of particular relevance to sports where height, limb length and handspan are key (e.g. basketball, volleyball, handball) and where high movement efficiency is advantageous.

MUSCLE
The collective evidence from these studies suggests that 12 months, which is the most commonly examined intervention period, of testosterone suppression to female-typical reference levels results in a modest (approximately − 5%) loss of lean body mass or muscle size (Table 4). No study has reported muscle loss exceeding the − 12% found by Gooren and Bunck after 3 years of therapy. We, therefore, conclude that the muscle mass advantage males possess over females, and the performance implications thereof, are not removed by the currently studied durations (4 months, 1, 2 and 3 years) of testosterone suppression in transgender women.

CARDIO/ENDURANCE
No controlled longitudinal study has explored the effects of testosterone suppression on endurance-based performance.
Thus, while a reduction in hemoglobin is strongly predicted to impact aerobic capacity and reduce endurance performance in transgender women, it is unlikely to completely close the baseline gap in aerobic capacity between males and females.

CONCLUSION
The data presented here demonstrate that superior anthropometric, muscle mass and strength parameters achieved by males at puberty, and underpinning a considerable portion of the male performance advantage over females, are not removed by the current regimen of testosterone suppression permitting participation of transgender women in female sports categories. Rather, it appears that the male performance advantage remains substantial. Currently, there is no consensus on an acceptable degree of residual advantage held by transgender women that would be tolerable in the female category of sport.

MY OPINION
I agree with everything said in this scientific study. You can argue that these studies were largely performed by MTF transgender participants who have already experienced puberty in some part but then that would mean you need to convince me that we need to start diagnosing 4 year olds with gender dysphoria and treating prebuscent children who are still developing their brains and bodies with HRT etc and treating them like guinea pigs. That is never going to happen.

NONE of this has to do with being treated with respect.
So long story short, with all that copy and paste from the internet you just did. Which by the way took some time to put together to formulate such a transphobic and bigoted response. I will say with 💯 % certainty that yes, you are a bigot. And yes you are a transphobe. Show me on the doll where I hurt you. And you still don’t understand what it is to be trans. I won’t try to explain it to your narrow mind, but did you choose to be hetero or homo? No. Just like I didn’t choose who I am. So stop and think before passing off your bigotry and think about someone else for one second. Be a human being
 
But just think about it. Would you wanna be spoken to the way you’ve spoken to me? With such disregard? How would you feel if you were dismissed as a human being? Why don’t you stop and think because the shoe can and will eventually fall on the other foot. Just stop and think
 
So long story short, with all that copy and paste from the internet you just did. Which by the way took some time to put together to formulate such a transphobic and bigoted response. I will say with 💯 % certainty that yes, you are a bigot. And yes you are a transphobe. Show me on the doll where I hurt you. And you still don’t understand what it is to be trans. I won’t try to explain it to your narrow mind, but did you choose to be hetero or homo? No. Just like I didn’t choose who I am. So stop and think before passing off your bigotry and think about someone else for one second. Be a human being
so long story short you refuse to look at a scientific study explaining how trans women dont magically lose everything that made them a male within 3 years of HRT but you continue to spew hate by calling everyone a bigot and transphobe.

Why exactly do you refuse to look at science when it disagrees with your opinion?
This is the same science that allowed you to supress testosterone and physically transition into a woman.

But just think about it. Would you wanna be spoken to the way you’ve spoken to me? With such disregard? How would you feel if you were dismissed as a human being? Why don’t you stop and think because the shoe can and will eventually fall on the other foot. Just stop and think
What disregard? Dismissed as a human being? by eloquently responding to your message? who the hell is denying your humanity?
 
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