Can kids become transgender ?

[Deleted member 263960]

OK @H.R. PufnStuf let's clarify this now I'm back at my laptop and can quote and format properly.

I said this:


Note the part I've emboldened for clarity. If you'd read this properly and not rushed to divert the argument with pedantry, you'd have grasped the rather obvious meaning of the statement. "Who they are" or "What sexuality they are" as in where on the gender spectrum they fall and what their sexuality may be.

Instead, you rushed to divert and came back with this:



Poor debating technique at best, diversionary tactics at worst.

You might not like the idea of young people determining their own future by personal experimentation but it's a damn sight healthier for them to do so than for your "I know best" imposition attempting to wrest their personal freedom and future from them.

As I've said several times during this thread, it's nobody's business but the individuals themselves. Society has an unhealthy and prurient obsession with who is doing what with who. It's mostly driven by old people with either very conservative views or religious fundamentalists/extremists. I'll further add that attempting to impose control and force compliance has never worked in the long term. Good parents support and guide but let the individuals find their own paths through life and are there when their children need them. Bad parents force their own opinions and "morals"on their children and set expectations that rarely work.

We're not in the 1900s now.

anyhow Im out, as *what I like, or personal opinions of me are irrelevant. I agree with OP in certain aspects, thats all. IMO children are best left to develop under the loving guidance of their parents I agree. (not a special interest group or the state.)

This is actually factually incorrect information. Gender has been recognized as a social construct from sociologists and anthropologists since they started observing gender roles in history and various other cultures. My aunt's an internationally known professor emeritus of sociology, I grew up learning about it 🙂

appealing to authority. because with all due respect your aunts qualifications dont mean you are correct, she might be. But more importantly-

I agree with you, what I should have said to be more clear- is in this society, in our times, gender as a social construct was revived in the 1960s by radical feminists. it gains a lot of traction in the 1970s. .Gender identity as a concept was popularized by John Money in the 1960s


When was the first use of gender?


In 1955, the controversial and innovative sexologist John Money first used the term “gender” in a way that we all now take for granted: to describe a human characteristic. Money's work broke new ground, opening a new field of research in sexual science and giving currency to medical ideas about human sexuality.

-source (John Money) He founded the Gender Identity Clinic at Johns Hopkins University and formulated, defined, and coined the term “gender role” and later expanded it to gender-identity role. 👀👀

it is mentioned in the UCF and many other places (in the states) https://www.ucf.edu/news/gender-identity/

The Man Who Invented Gender

The Man Who Invented Gender - Engaging the Ideas of John Money; Reconsiders the work and ideas of one of the most important and controversial sexologists of the twentieth century.

www.ubcpress.ca

(UBC is top shelf for those lucky enough to have wandered it.)

 

[Deleted member 292068]

The average tiktok experience will prove that parents are pushing for children to be mentally unwell.

So I take it you have one?

 

[Deleted member 292068]

Let kids be kids.

If my nephew came to me and wanted his makeup doing, well, then, let's play makeup, if my niece wanted action man instead of barbie, that's also great, let's go get it.

I think we just need to let kids explore their own thoughts and feelings and explain it's okay to do that. My little brother once wanted to be called Colin and wouldn't answer to his own name for months. We just went along with it because he was clearly figuring himself out. It should be the same with their gender. As they age they will get a clearer answer and as long as they're supported and accepted in the initial exploration, they will feel comfortable discussing their feelings on their gender and sexuality more articulately.

Let's not pretend this hasn't always existed. The difference is, as a society we're more aware that what prior generations would have berated children for, isn't for the best. Explaining it away as a phase is detrimental. If it turns out to be a phase, cool, if it doesn't, at least they don't feel pressured to lie and say it is to appease a parent or adult for fear of being rejected and belittled.

I think the issues come in with hormone suppressants and things prior to being at least on the older end of teen ages where they can communicate and that's where there needs to be therapists/counselling and medical intervention to establish that it is the correct route for someone and the safest, healthiest way to do so.

Tl;Dr don't be a ****, let kids be kids, educate yourself, and support your kids regardless of their gender identity or sexuality. If it continues until they're old enough to communicate it clearly, seek the help of therapists and doctors to gain more information and choices.

Not every trans person wants to have gender reassignment surgery.

I can't love this post enough. Despite all the disgusting ignorant takes by some, there's more good than bad people on this forum and we all ban together when it comes to a morally wrong situation taking place.

 

[DarthErica]

I read up on it and a lot of my followers on X are LGBTQ/trans who post about their struggles or share the harassment on there. I spoke to my uncle today about this, like...why can't people just focus on their life instead of telling others how to live theirs? It's very negative energy to have and toxic. Why grief someone just because you don't understand them? If you're (not you) confused, fine but don't make your own conclusions because of some video you watched or by applying out dated talking points.

@DarthErica is a hero to me be a they're open about this and from what I gather, they have a lot of patience and are willing to explain how they feel as long as you're respectful.

Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it in light of everything that’s happened in the last 24 hours to hear nice things for a change. But I’m no hero I’m just me. I just try to present myself as who I am. No one has to accept or like me, just give me the same respect you would any other human being is all I ask. Get to know me. Ya might find we actually have more in common than ya thought.

 

[Deleted member 292068]

I'm going to add something else. I don't believe in performing any gender reaffirming medical procedures or prescribing anything that could permanently alter biology to children, at all. I do believe we need to let kids be themselves and experiment with gender roles in this day and age, because society is changing, and we are recognizing that the gender roles in our society that worked for the last couple hundred years don't fit our current way of life, and that's ok. Maybe we need to stop putting so much of a focus on gender roles in general and just let people be their unique selves without trying to put a label on everything.

My gay cousin used to dress up as Storm by putting his white blanket around his head, he was only 6 I think, it's when the Xmen series first came out in 92 or 93. My family didn't say anything and I saw nothing wrong with it, I didn't even know what gay was. His sister teases him now like "Mom, how did you not know he was gay then?" They're both gay and my family never had a problem with it.

 

[Deleted member 292068]

Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it in light of everything that’s happened in the last 24 hours to hear nice things for a change. But I’m no hero I’m just me. I just try to present myself as who I am. No one has to accept or like me, just give me the same respect you would any other human being is all I ask. Get to know me. Ya might find we actually have more in common than ya thought.

You're a hero to many on here. You're very up front with who you are and don't care what people think.

 

[Schism]

anyhow Im out, as *what I like, or personal opinions of me are irrelevant. I agree with OP in certain aspects, thats all. IMO children are best left to develop under the loving guidance of their parents I agree. (not a special interest group or the state.)


appealing to authority. because with all due respect your aunts qualifications dont mean you are correct, she might be. But more importantly-

I agree with you, what I should have said to be more clear- is in this society, in our times, gender as a social construct was revived in the 1960s by radical feminists. it gains a lot of traction in the 1970s. .Gender identity as a concept was popularized by John Money in the 1960s


When was the first use of gender?


In 1955, the controversial and innovative sexologist John Money first used the term “gender” in a way that we all now take for granted: to describe a human characteristic. Money's work broke new ground, opening a new field of research in sexual science and giving currency to medical ideas about human sexuality.

-source (John Money) He founded the Gender Identity Clinic at Johns Hopkins University and formulated, defined, and coined the term “gender role” and later expanded it to gender-identity role. 👀👀

it is mentioned in the UCF and many other places (in the states) https://www.ucf.edu/news/gender-identity/

The Man Who Invented Gender

The Man Who Invented Gender - Engaging the Ideas of John Money; Reconsiders the work and ideas of one of the most important and controversial sexologists of the twentieth century.

www.ubcpress.ca

(UBC is top shelf for those lucky enough to have wandered it.)

But the thing is, gender roles as a social construct have existed in many cultures and civilizations for thousands of years, and have not always been tied in with biological sex. The new usage of the term "gender" to describe the social construct alongside biological sex just follows the natural evolution of science and language. We have come incredibly far in the past 100 years or so with scientific advancement and medicine and it would only follow suit that language would change and evolve to fit in with this.

 

[DarthErica]

You're a hero to many on here. You're very up front with who you are and don't care what people think.

If I can inspire anyone especially young people to embrace who they are and love themselves in the face of bigotry than I feel like I did something good with my life. Not looking to change the world, I just would like to see people get more educated about this topic and open your mind to things you’ve previously closed it off too. Old people aren’t likely to change, but many others can learn acceptance once they know there’s nothing to be afraid of from trans people. We love like everyone else. We laugh when we’re happy, we cry when we’re sad. We get angry at injustices. We celebrate good news. We just want to live and love like anyone else. We only ask to be seen like everyone else and have all the same rights and freedoms as everyone else does.

 

[JosephTheMainMan]

You'll have to excuse me, as I've never had Tick Tock, much less used the platform to conduct a transgender youth study. What other conclusions have you drawn from your time there?

Tiktok is the platform where all if not most transgender crazy people and woke leftists find other people to affirm their beliefs and delusions. Most big "transgender" people on the platform target children as a way to introduce them via coercion to be transgender themselves.

The way that kids and young people become transgender today isn't through some natural means such as really being diagnosed with dysphoria and becoming transgender to treat it; they become that way because adults trick them on the platform to think there is something wrong with them .

 

[emileh]

Tiktok is driven by algorithms. If you're seeing that stuff then you're looking for it.

Says a lot really.

 

[JosephTheMainMan]

Tiktok is driven by algorithms. If you're seeing that stuff then you're looking for it.

Says a lot really.

I do look for it and I do become aware of it.
I mostly bring it up during arguments like this.

How can I make the argument without having evidence to back it?
If I made the argument without knowing - I would be lying.

 

[emileh]

Aye to feed your obvious bigotry of course.

 

[-Luka]

Let kids be kids.

If my nephew came to me and wanted his makeup doing, well, then, let's play makeup, if my niece wanted action man instead of barbie, that's also great, let's go get it.

I think we just need to let kids explore their own thoughts and feelings and explain it's okay to do that. My little brother once wanted to be called Colin and wouldn't answer to his own name for months. We just went along with it because he was clearly figuring himself out. It should be the same with their gender. As they age they will get a clearer answer and as long as they're supported and accepted in the initial exploration, they will feel comfortable discussing their feelings on their gender and sexuality more articulately.

Let's not pretend this hasn't always existed. The difference is, as a society we're more aware that what prior generations would have berated children for, isn't for the best. Explaining it away as a phase is detrimental. If it turns out to be a phase, cool, if it doesn't, at least they don't feel pressured to lie and say it is to appease a parent or adult for fear of being rejected and belittled.

I think the issues come in with hormone suppressants and things prior to being at least on the older end of teen ages where they can communicate and that's where there needs to be therapists/counselling and medical intervention to establish that it is the correct route for someone and the safest, healthiest way to do so.

Tl;Dr don't be a ****, let kids be kids, educate yourself, and support your kids regardless of their gender identity or sexuality. If it continues until they're old enough to communicate it clearly, seek the help of therapists and doctors to gain more information and choices.

Not every trans person wants to have gender reassignment surgery.

POST OF THE YEAR AWARD. 💙

 

[Deleted member 292068]

If I can inspire anyone especially young people to embrace who they are and love themselves in the face of bigotry than I feel like I did something good with my life. Not looking to change the world, I just would like to see people get more educated about this topic and open your mind to things you’ve previously closed it off too. Old people aren’t likely to change, but many others can learn acceptance once they know there’s nothing to be afraid of from trans people. We love like everyone else. We laugh when we’re happy, we cry when we’re sad. We get angry at injustices. We celebrate good news. We just want to live and love like anyone else. We only ask to be seen like everyone else and have all the same rights and freedoms as everyone else does.

I'm glad my family is accepting and we don't have to deal with that. Older people typically are not going to change just like how personalities can't change when they're hard wired into your brain after puberty but that's just laziness on their part and convincing themselves the old ways were the only right ones.

Tiktok is the platform where all if not most transgender crazy people and woke leftists find other people to affirm their beliefs and delusions. Most big "transgender" people on the platform target children as a way to introduce them via coercion to be transgender themselves.

The way that kids and young people become transgender today isn't through some natural means such as really being diagnosed with dysphoria and becoming transgender to treat it; they become that way because adults trick them on the platform to think there is something wrong with them .

You're the only one in here who is looking crazy. Tik Tok is full of transphobia that you watch, they're not actual trans people you're watching. You're watching that terroristic scumbag Libs of Tik Tok (who blocked me after I called her a terrorist for encouraging bomb threats towards children's hospitals. You're literally scared of rainbows.

Tiktok is driven by algorithms. If you're seeing that stuff then you're looking for it.

Says a lot really.

Exactly

I do look for it and I do become aware of it.
I mostly bring it up during arguments like this.

How can I make the argument without having evidence to back it?
If I made the argument without knowing - I would be lying.

You look it up because it'd a coping mechanism for your misery. You want to misplace your own happiness by contributing it to other problems you see fit whether it's blaming it on society, "wokeness" or a person who identifies as a woman who was born biologically a man. The fact you invest this much time into caring about how people live their lives when you haven't even spoken a word to them is proof that you are not living a sinless happy life.

You do not represent the teachings of Jesus. Jesus even prevented the stoning of transgendered people and the Bible had references to trans people removed. A lot of the older verses even older than the new testament were discarded because they were written by women.

The transgendered person that carried water with Jesus to the last super which Jesus did not condemn. How about the trans people known as eunuchs thar helped further the word of God?

You don't know your material because you rely on memes and Tik Tok videos that reaffirm your hate yet bitch about people who need gender reaffirming care.

 

[Heathen2002]

I do look for it and I do become aware of it.
I mostly bring it up during arguments like this.

How can I make the argument without having evidence to back it?
If I made the argument without knowing - I would be lying.

😆 @ tiktok being your 'evidence' 😂

 

[JosephTheMainMan]

😆 @ tiktok being your 'evidence' 😂

Please try and understand properly.
You are making yourself look foolish.

I have proof via tiktok that there are people on tiktok pushing an agenda and specifically targeting children with their transgender belief.

You act like I am using tiktok to prove that the "earth is flat".

 

[emileh]

Please try and understand properly.
You are making yourself look foolish.

I have proof via tiktok that there are people on tiktok pushing an agenda and specifically targeting children with their transgender belief.

You act like I am using tiktok to prove that the "earth is flat".

Oh dear, yet another agenda pusher that doesn't understand how debate and logical argument works. Let me give you some pointers.

You don't have proof from any social media platform and if you think you do then you don't understand what proof means.

Proof, or rather the data that supports a claim comes from reputable, reliable, and testable sources. Anything else is anecdotal and doesn't add to the level of proof at all.

You gather the data you need from your reputable, reliable and testable source or sources and you marshal your argument using that data. That means the whole of the data, not cherrypicked items that can be manipulated to support your world view.

While we're talking about world views, you should be prepared for those to be challenged using the technique above, and if there is good data to overturn that view then you should allow your view to be changed by the new data you've been presented. Retaining a world view in the face of good evidence/data is merely dogma and has no value in debate.

Now, off you go and gather some proper data. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

 

[JosephTheMainMan]

Oh dear, yet another agenda pusher that doesn't understand how debate and logical argument works. Let me give you some pointers.

You don't have proof from any social media platform and if you think you do then you don't understand what proof means.

Proof, or rather the data that supports a claim comes from reputable, reliable, and testable sources. Anything else is anecdotal and doesn't add to the level of proof at all.

You gather the data you need from your reputable, reliable and testable source or sources and you marshal your argument using that data. That means the whole of the data, not cherrypicked items that can be manipulated to support your world view.

While we're talking about world views, you should be prepared for those to be challenged using the technique above, and if there is good data to overturn that view then you should allow your view to be changed by the new data you've been presented. Retaining a world view in the face of good evidence/data is merely dogma and has no value in debate.

Now, off you go and gather some proper data. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

I literally said that people are pushing transgenderism and gender politics.
I used tiktok as evidence that people are pushing it.

You are just angry that I have proof that people are pushing this to kids.
I am not gonna argue with you any further because you are purely wasting my time and patience.

 

[emileh]

I literally said that people are pushing transgenderism and gender politics.
I used tiktok as evidence that people are pushing it.

You are just angry that I have proof that people are pushing this to kids.
I am not gonna argue with you any further because you are purely wasting my time and patience.

Try actually reading my post rather than jumping to push dogma. Why TikTok isn't "evidence" is explained clearly.

It just makes you look stupid otherwise.

 

[JosephTheMainMan]

Try actually reading my post rather than jumping to push dogma. Why TikTok isn't "evidence" is explained clearly.

It just makes you look stupid otherwise.

How am I meant to make claims that people are pushing politics on tiktok without using tiktok as evidence ?

You are so dumb, I am just gonna block you now.
Or ignore you.

Whatever this site uses.