Debate topic is "pride in sexuality" could we please not stray into arguing over issues re Trans
Someone made a comment that gays were given special treatment in court. This video may be an example of that.
Let's add some context to this:
"Two preachers were blasting anti-gay rhetoric in the rainbow-festooned Davie Street village, the historical enclave of Vancouver's gay community."
^^ That goes to intent, just like it should here on Forums (see below)*
The characterization by police- before charges about the preachers and even before even a hearing of the incident is startling.
If that's startling, how would you characterise those people?
Background. Street Preachers in Vancouver west end doing open air re hellfire and annoying local population. 6'-7" gay man and crowd confronts preachers. Melee ensues. 6-7 falls down and breaks leg. Preachers charged with a series of very serious criminal charges- including aggravated assault . Most witness accounts say no blows struck, and 6-7 tried to grab preacher mic which was the wrestling match.
You've outlined there what you
believe happened. I can't see that there was any footage of the assault. The 6-7 as you refer to him, said this:
“It’s no surprise that that’s where they’re setting up to do that,” Morissette said of the location the group set up in. The West End is home to Vancouver’s LGBTQ neighbourhood.
“It happened to be me who stepped up and said, ‘You are not welcome in this community to be saying these things. Pack your things and go somewhere else,'” Morissette recalled of the confrontation. “They refused to do that. I asked them if they were going to stay if they would at least turn the volume down because I really can not stress enough how obscenely loud these speakers are. You can hear them for blocks, and blocks, and blocks.”
Morissette said he grabbed the microphone and refused to give it back. It was following this that he said a man “wrenched my leg against his until my tibia and fibula snapped, broke and my knee dislocated.""
Imagine a reversal of roles here- 2 gays demonstrating near a church, parishoners confront them, try to grab the mic and a preacher falls down breaks his leg. Gays charged, disparaged in the press pre hearing.
You're getting it all twisted. If the person
really "fell down and broke his leg" then that's different but you seem to have made that assumption here rather than it being a reflection of the facts.
If you gave an accurate comparator, such as: "Imagine a reversal of roles here- 2 gays demonstrating near a church shouting anti-Christian rhetoric, parishoners confront them, try to grab the mic and the demonstrator wrenched their leg against the parishioner until their tibia and fibula snapped, broke and their knee dislocated. Gays charged, disparaged in the press pre hearing."
Then I'd say that the "gays" deserve to have the book thrown at them. Oddly enough though, it's not that often that the police (at least here) ask what the sexuality of an offender is. The only people that brought sexuality into that event were the preachers and I can't see anywhere that they are being treated more harshly because the victim is gay.
it relates to topic as actions by 6'-7 " could seen as toxic pride in sexuality/ and or state action could bee seen as improper expressions of pride.
How on Earth could it possibly, by any stretch of the imagination, be seen as that!?
I've looked at the background of these preachers and they're a bunch of hate-filled Westboro Baptist Church wannabes. The guy just wanted them to stop. How is that "toxic pride in sexuality" or "state action that could be seen as improper expression of pride"?
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*Frankly your whole post - and that story - is a good example of what's happening here on forums.
We have the anti-various rhetoric spouted by the disgusting OP of this thread, and the likes of Tall Man (although he's not at the level of the OP) who can be seen as the preachers, and it's allowed to continue even though every single person on Forums knows exactly what their intent is. (Just like everyone on the street in that area in Vancouver knew what the intent of the preachers was)
Even by creating this thread, the OP does not have any intention of having a debate and everyone knows it. He starts these things to spew his anti-gay/anti-trans BS.
My comments to people like the disgusting OP and Tall Man have become more critical and may well be seen as going too far, but that's what we seem to be forced to do here, just like the guy who grabbed the mic.
