Should Chat Avenue Allow Underage Moderators?

Vote for your answer to the debate question, (mods under 18 )

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 41.5%
  • No

    Votes: 18 43.9%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 14.6%

  • Total voters
    41
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Just my two cents, I don’t think anyone under the age of 17 should be a mod in any room. In some cases it can be a maturity thing, and in other cases it is for their benefit. Girls Chat where I chat is a 13+ room. Even so we obviously get our share of creeps and peds which staff does a great job of taking care of. I think 14,15, 16 year old kids should be just that. Kids. Chat with friends, hang out etc. Let the adults take care of the adult stuff and let kids be kids.
 
Just my two cents, I don’t think anyone under the age of 17 should be a mod in any room. In some cases it can be a maturity thing, and in other cases it is for their benefit. Girls Chat where I chat is a 13+ room. Even so we obviously get our share of creeps and peds which staff does a great job of taking care of. I think 14,15, 16 year old kids should be just that. Kids. Chat with friends, hang out etc. Let the adults take care of the adult stuff and let kids be kids.

I go back and forth. There are some days when I definitely agree with this sentiment. Young teenagers often don’t have the life experience or people management skills that are needed to moderate a room. Not to mention some of the horrible things mods have to see. Also, moderators need to be able to take a certain amount of “abuse” and have thick skin. Some teens react very emotionally to situations like that.

Other days I see young adults who, as I said above, display more maturity than some adults here. I think it’s VERY important for the admin who brings on a teen mod to carefully assess their maturity level and coping skills. And also make sure that those young mods get the support they need. So that they have a place to discuss their feelings and make sure they don’t feel alone.

No need to be so patronising.

I read it more as concern not patronizing.
 
I go back and forth. There are some days when I definitely agree with this sentiment. Young teenagers often don’t have the life experience or people management skills that are needed to moderate a room. Not to mention some of the horrible things mods have to see. Also, moderators need to be able to take a certain amount of “abuse” and have thick skin. Some teens react very emotionally to situations like that.

Other days I see young adults who, as I said above, display more maturity than some adults here. I think it’s VERY important for the admin who brings on a teen mod to carefully assess their maturity level and coping skills. And also make sure that those young mods get the support they need. So that they have a place to discuss their feelings and make sure they don’t feel alone.
I couldn’t have said it my better. It gets me thinking to those agencies that assist law enforcement to snare online predators. They use adult decoys who can pass as younger so as to not expose kids to that world. Kids know it’s out there for sure, but no need to have to deal with it on a first hand basis.

Kids have enough to worry about. School, peer pressure, social media pressure etc. The last thing they should have to worry about is dealing with the adult world before they’re even adults. As adults, (27 here) it’s our job to keep kids safe, whether online or off. They depend on us for that. That’s why I don’t think kids should be reading reports about explicit stuff here. Like I said, just my two cents tho. 🙂

Let Chat Avenue be the place where people of all ages can come to and chill and chat. Which it is. But when kids are concerned let it be a little escape. Meet people from all over the world and chat. One reason I encourage friends to set their pms to friends only so creeps can’t bombard them with nastiness.
 
For the most part they’d see it in the room anyway. It’s not like these disgusting people are conscious of minors when posting it.
That is a fair argument that can’t be disputed. However my rebuttal is why help to expose kids to things they shouldn’t have to see. I just fail to see the logic when I hear that the number one issue is to protect kids here, yet we’re gonna promote kids to moderate adult content. Whether it’s a 13+ room or not they’re going to have to deal with adult content if they’re in a position of moderating said content. We all know that teenagers know that that stuff is out there. I do t see the need to willfully expose them to it is all.
 
Tldr

None of those excuse or makes it okay that you’re now going to be subjected to more of whatever it is you’re trying to justify with the above comment.

Let’s stop normalizing something that shouldn’t be okay here. You have no business moderating a room with adult content in it. Anyone who states otherwise needs to check their priorities.

Regardless of the set age of the room, you are not fit for the role. I’m sorry.

The “adults” need to be adults here and take the Toy away from the child.
 
Ok, I will die on this hill if I have too. And if it means falling on my sword so be it. But there is no way a 15 year old child should be moderating adult content. Ask yourselves this....would you want your 15 year old daughter exposed to all the pedophilia coming their way? If your answer is anything other then no than you shouldn’t have kids. Now if that upsets anyone I am truly sorry but I will not back down from the fact that we should be protecting kids from the adult content here and not putting them on the front line of it. As adults, it is our responsibility to care and watch over the kids here. @Chatmaster we shouldn’t be putting kids in charge of moderating adult content.
 
Welp, like I already said. If y’all would be ok with your 15 year old daughter being exposed to the adult world of pornography and pedophilia that goes around around here especially in the more adult rooms such as General Chat then that would be on your conscious. But I’d be damned if it’d be on mine. I know I’ll sleep good at night knowing I would not allow my 15 year old daughter to be on the front line in an adult war on creeps and pedophiles. Period! ✋
Of course no sane person would let their kid on here. But kids are going to come on here regardless, and they're going to be exposed to adult content. So, as I argued above - why shouldn't they be able to choose to help fight it?
 
About the adult content, unfortunately that's going to be seen regardless of whether one's staff or not. So how does having the ability to remove it somehow make it worse?
The level of exposure is what differs. A chatter only sees the content posted in main during the time that they are logged in. A moderator reviews reports from main and from PMs over a much longer duration of time. This results in more content exposure (and often worse content exposure) because it includes PMs that wouldn't otherwise be available to be viewed as a non-staff chatter.
 
The level of exposure is what differs. A chatter only sees the content posted in main during the time that they are logged in. A moderator reviews reports from main and from PMs over a much longer duration of time. This results in more content exposure (and often worse content exposure) because it includes PMs that wouldn't otherwise be available to be viewed as a non-staff chatter.
Yeah, and it's even worse in Kids Chat even as non staff. On this site, it can't be avoided.
 
Yeah, and it's even worse in Kids Chat even as non staff. On this site, it can't be avoided.
It's a sad reality, but I have absolutely no doubt that the content a mod is exposed to in Kids Chat is worse than the content they would be exposed to in General Chat. That wasn't the question though. You asked a question about why being a mod would result in more content exposure than being a chatter, and I answered it.
 
It's a sad reality, but I have absolutely no doubt that the content a mod is exposed to in Kids Chat is worse than the content they would be exposed to in General Chat. That wasn't the question though. You asked a question about why being a mod would result in more content exposure than being a chatter, and I answered it.
Yes, and I also addressed that in my first post.
 
While I get you’re coming from a good place, everything you’re saying is coming across as very patronising and condescending towards Pinky. You’re saying its worse for her to mod the room where she can REMOVE adult content, and instead should focus on being a user where, if she happens to be online when a mod isn’t, she’ll be more exposed to this same content?

Also I’d be curious to know what your suggestion for Kids Chat would be. Do we install adult mods there? How to we vet them to ensure they’re safe to mod a Kids room?

At the end of the day, Pinky is able to make her own decisions on whether she wants to mod. I’m sure Samwise didn’t decide to mod her on a whim. I’ll end again by saying that I totally get where you’re coming from, but you haven’t said how modding exposes her more to this content than if she’s just a user.
Ok allow me to answer your second question first. Yes, install adults to monitor kids chat. Do we allow kids to run daycare centers? No. As adults it is our responsibility to look out for and keep kids safe. Online and off. There’s a reason law enforcement uses decoys posing as minors to catch online predators. It’s to not expose minors to things they don’t need to see. This has nothing g to with Pinky as a person. I am quite sure she is an exceptional person. But there’s a reason we have rules and laws to protect kids her age. She’s not old enough to consent. It’s up to the adults aka us to keep them safe. Now if you guys can’t grasp that then that’s on you all. I’m not patronizing as you keep saying. I just care about keeping kids safe is all

Of course no sane person would let their kid on here. But kids are going to come on here regardless, and they're going to be exposed to adult content. So, as I argued above - why shouldn't they be able to choose to help fight it?
Ya kinda contradicted yourself there. The answer to your query can be summed up in one word. Parenting.
 
While I cant really say anything, since I started modding while being under 18, and 3 of the current mods in bc are under 18, and bc, while bad, aint as bad as others... I do find it to be a strange decision to let people under 18 do it

It's got nothing to do with how well you can handle a certain complaint, or the fact you can "handle" the more revealing and downright gross things on chat... but its just kinda fucked up 😅. Actively letting people under 18 see this ****, and then having to deal with it

And ik this stuff is unfortunately unavoidable in most places... but Actively having kids deal with it, kinda messed up

And this isn't to berate or patronise anyone, hell I don't even know half of you XD. I find it kinda... well weird that you can handle it so well, I definitely can't lol.

TL;DR: kinda fucked up people under 18 are (while voluntary) exposed to this **** then made to deal with it. But hey, whatever fucks your fish ig. You do you if you do it well
 
Ok allow me to answer your second question first. Yes, install adults to monitor kids chat. Do we allow kids to run daycare centers? No. As adults it is our responsibility to look out for and keep kids safe. Online and off. There’s a reason law enforcement uses decoys posing as minors to catch online predators. It’s to not expose minors to things they don’t need to see. This has nothing g to with Pinky as a person. I am quite sure she is an exceptional person. But there’s a reason we have rules and laws to protect kids her age. She’s not old enough to consent. It’s up to the adults aka us to keep them safe. Now if you guys can’t grasp that then that’s on you all. I’m not patronizing as you keep saying. I just care about keeping kids safe is all
This is an issue I've personally wrestled with for a long time, and there is no good solution given the current circumstances. The adults that operate daycare centers are extensively vetted and trained. If there were adult staff members in the youth rooms, then they would need to be background checked at a minimum to be in that position. This is a site that operates with volunteer staff members, and it's just not realistic to perform the type of vetting required to safely put an adult in charge of overseeing children.

That being said, having children moderate the youth rooms is also not a great solution. As I think just about everyone has expressed, no parent in their right mind would allow their kids on this site – and that includes the ******** who were here as minors and have since grown up. The youth that are staff have a lot of exposure, and it's morally taxing knowing that information like pedophile codewords are taking up real estate in their minds, instead of them just being kids.

Until this site is either 18+ or has paid staff members, there is no good solution. And seeing as though neither of those things will ever actually happen, then the best bad plan is the best we've got.
 
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