Should Chat Avenue Allow Underage Moderators?

Vote for your answer to the debate question, (mods under 18 )

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 41.5%
  • No

    Votes: 18 43.9%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 14.6%

  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
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Some people are very mature at 15 years old she will be good.
There’s no such thing as a very mature 15 year old kid. Cuz they’re just that, a kid. And kids should not be in a position to moderate adult content no matter the room or circumstance. Just ask yourself this and this goes for everyone saying how it’s perfectly ok for a child to be exposed to CP pervs etc etc. Would you want your 15 year old daughter exposed to it? Now that I think about it I’m surprised no one has brought up the unasked question till now. Do her parents know she’s modding adult content? That’s something to think about, because if not then that means adult staff here is putting minors in positions to be exposed to adult content. Perhaps even a legal liability if parents found out and hadn’t given their consent.
 
right? like unless this childs parents literally post a video of themselves giving permission for their child to be a moderator here and by extent ackowledging the risks of their child being a moderator here, even chatmaster is running risks by even allowing it lol.

maybe not this case in particular, like i said I dont know Pinky at all, but chatmaster is running a risky game allowing child mods and just assuming they aren't lying when they say their parents are cool with it. imagine the parent going through their kids phone and chat is open and they check the reports and see report after report of p0rn/cp/animal stuff/d1ck pics, etc. they wont know nor care that what they are looking at are reports from innocent users. they'll see what they assume are a bunch grown men sending everything except the kitchen sink to their kid, and they'll come after anyone they think is responsible. including chatmaster, admins, but most importantly, the innocent user who thought they were helping chat by sending a report.

theres so many variables lol.
kid mod had a really bad day/vendetta against a chatter, etc= potential lawsuits for multiple people.
parents of kid mod find their phone and react before getting all the informaton= potential lawsuits for multiple people
 
@Frombo
You never addressed my examples of an adult reporting cp to another adult. Or an adult reporting cp to LE. Do you consider that illegal/liability?
 
They’re eventually going to be exposed to it at some point. If this person was 13 I’d say hell no. At 15 or 16 I would give them an opportunity but that’s it.
Because there’s such a great big difference between 13 and 15 🤦‍♀️
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@Frombo
You never addressed my examples of an adult reporting cp to another adult. Or an adult reporting cp to LE. Do you consider that illegal/liability?
thats not the topic of this discusson. but if you want to get into the nitty-gritty, law enforcement is much more likely to look into what actually happened when its two adults in a chat room before they start exerting manpower into it.

in my example of a disgruntled child mod going to the police because they got fired/want revenge on a troll, etc- unless that child mod has second thoughts and explains what actually happened, law enforcement is going to start looking into it and possibly open a case/investigaton until things are clear.

in my example of a parent opening their childs phone and finding reports that contain illegal imagry, the parent also wont explain to law enforcement what actually happened because they wont know or they wouldnt care. law enforcement opens an investigaton.

adults on a chat room would be different. my point is that much less questions will be asked before law enforcement opens an investigation if its a child or a childs parent coming to them about an online chat room. an adult going into a police station is much more likely to be heard out, and then promptly thrown out when they realize what a mod is and that the reports are from people trying to stop the bad guys. and then they'd tell them to contact the cyber-police about the actual perpretrators.

not so much if its a child going in there or a concerned parent.not only would they likely just start an investigation right away but there's also a very good chance law enforcement would take the stance that I've been trying to prove here: and that even if they took the time to understand what was happening and learned the ins and outs of chat ave and its mods, theres a good chance that law enforcement wouldn't care and STILL count people sending reports to a minor while knowing full well that mod is a minor as breaking the law just as much as the person who orginally sent it.

either way, two adults isnt the situation we're talking about in any case. you're comparing apples to oranges. classic derail move

the point is, regardless of your ethical questions: is that when you have a child mod there is a small but real chance that they can use the reports they've received from users against them. and the point also is that aside from that, theres a good chance its not even actually legal to report p0rn of any kind to a minor knowing those images are being shared with them.
 
Lol, this is fucking insane. Does anyone see that? We have a 15 year old defending their staff abilities to be sent CP via the report feature, and a 65 year old admin who is encouraging it. All backed by a website.

This is insane, you guys see that right?
Did you make a thread about this at one point? Where did that lead?
 
thats my point. having an underage mod forces people to share illegal images with a minor if they happen to be the only mod on. unless they dont report it and wait for another mod or ss and come to forums to get someone over there. both options that would make having that mod redundant.

all it takes is one, underaged angry mod to have a bad day and go to the police and say "look what these adults have been sharing with me" and boom, anybody thats ever reported something illegal to them is now legally a predator looking at prison time because by reporting they were technically sharing it with that minor. even if the case gets dropped when it comes out that they were only using the report feature, before that happens their life would be ruined lol.

I'm not saying Pinky would do that, but by having underage mods you're forcing users into a position where its questionably legal to even report the worst things they might come across.

all this does is put the users who care about the integrity of chat the most at risk.

aside from the legal side this is just honestly messed up. its honestly super weird that so many full grown adults are fighting this hard to rationalize putting a literal child into a position where other adults can report illegal imagry to them if they see it. imagine this position anywhere else doing anything else. just think about it:

LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS FOR *fill in literally any other positon of any kind*: on top of regular job duties, due to the high traffic of p3dos coming through this location, applicant will be responsible for dealing 100's of p3dos and pervs everyday (child volunteers acceptable)

in what f#cking world would any of you back this up irl? yall spend too much time here fr lmao
But that all also applies to Kids Chat and Teen Chat mods. Should they be replaced with adults too? That seems like an even bigger liability.

All these arguments are against minors being staff at all. But that's not what this thread is about.
 
All these arguments are against minors being staff at all. But that's not what this thread is about.
That was the premise of the op point. The wisdom of minors moderating adult content

As soon as I typed that out the absurdity of it is just profound. I mean think about. Adults are defending minors being exposed to the worst crap this place has to offer. Pedos, pervs, porn, cp you name it. I’m actually watching in real time adults defending the indefensible 🤦‍♀️
 
As soon as I typed that out the absurdity of it is just profound. I mean think about. Adults are defending minors being exposed to the worst crap this place has to offer. Pedos, pervs, porn, cp you name it. I’m actually watching in real time adults defending the indefensible 🤦‍♀️
However, for KC and TC, the only good alternative is putting background checked adults in charge of the rooms, and we know that won't happen. So is it better to leave the rooms unmoderated and let more children be exposed to inappropriate content, groomed, and abused?
 
However, for KC and TC, the only good alternative is putting background checked adults in charge of the rooms, and we know that won't happen. So is it better to leave the rooms unmoderated and let more children be exposed to inappropriate content, groomed, and abused?
Of course not. Install adult mods just as you would any other room. With set requirements. Say a minimum amount of time being a user, references from other members of staff, mods and admins. Things like that. It’s for adults to keep this place as safe as possible. It’ll never be perfect of course. But there’s a reason we don’t let kids run schools or daycares isn’t there? Because no matter how mature either they or a grown up(hint hint people here)think they are, they simply lack the life and social experience to be in charge of adult things. When I was 15 I thought I was ready to take on the world. Obviously I wasn’t. No 15 year old kid is no matter how mature they think they are. Hell im 27 and still get tired of adulting sometimes.
 
As soon as I typed that out the absurdity of it is just profound. I mean think about. Adults are defending minors being exposed to the worst crap this place has to offer. Pedos, pervs, porn, cp you name it. I’m actually watching in real time adults defending the indefensible 🤦‍♀️
kids and teens shouldn't use the internet at all. but it's made to be a part of their lives at a young age, the number of creeps, pervs, pedos, absolute weirdos even as adults we should stay away from is terrible. it's not going to change the internet no matter where you go is full o of garbage bs. you should stop worrying about something that won't change.
 
kids and teens shouldn't use the internet at all. but it's made to be a part of their lives at a young age, the number of creeps, pervs, pedos, absolute weirdos even as adults we should stay away from is terrible. it's not going to change the internet no matter where you go is full of garbabe bs. you should stop worrying about something that won't change.
🤦‍♀️ So to use your logic there will always be kids in this world that lose the parent jackpot and end up getting abused by the ones who should protect them. That’s always gonna be a thing. So we should all just not worry about it? 😒
 
🤦‍♀️ So to use your logic there will always be kids in this world that lose the parent jackpot and end up getting abused by the ones who should protect them. That’s always gonna be a thing. So we should all just not worry about it? 😒
That's part of life, unfortunately. You just have to get on with it. I agree, it's terrible. You yourself, nor me myself, will ever change the fact that the world we live in is sht. we just have to enjoy ourselves while we're here otherwise we spend our lives trying to change something that won't change. we use up most of our life fighting for a change that won't happen.
 
That's part of life, unfortunately. You just have to get on with it. I agree, it's terrible. You yourself, nor me myself, will ever change the fact that the world we live in is sht. we just have to enjoy ourselves while we're here otherwise we spend our lives trying to change something that won't change. we use up most of our life fighting for a change that won't happen.
I hope I’m never as apathetic as you are. Good thing the majority of people aren’t.
 
However, for KC and TC, the only good alternative is putting background checked adults in charge of the rooms, and we know that won't happen. So is it better to leave the rooms unmoderated and let more children be exposed to inappropriate content, groomed, and abused?
Ill add a little something to this as its a wonderful point. Being a moderator of a room where its 13+, and modding it over 3 years so this isnt something Ive experienced just once, Ive been told many times by the younger ******** that they very much appreciate having a couple mods closer to their age range as they are just more comfortable. Having all adults mods (or of course no mods) for these rooms would be a bad idea in my opinion.

As for the rest (And this isnt directed at you @Radiation ), and @TheDifference already pointed this out brilliantly, CP is CP and sending it is sending it no matter who is on the other end. Although C/A does not "send CP" as if it condones the material. Its reported to local authorities by staff. Its a crappy thing to deal with, I think every single person here would agree on that point regardless of what side you take. The basis seems to be do away with under 18 mods, which again I disagree with.
 
I don’t agree with kids being on a site full stop with groomers and pervs so I don’t approve that HR has modded a teen when this site is full of pervs pics and all sorts a teen shouldn’t see I’m modified at what I’m reading the whole point in ranks is older staff really to protect the younger youths !!! I really have no comment…
 
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