I couldn’t have said it my better. It gets me thinking to those agencies that assist law enforcement to snare online predators. They use adult decoys who can pass as younger so as to not expose kids to that world. Kids know it’s out there for sure, but no need to have to deal with it on a first hand basis.
For the most part they’d see it in the room anyway. It’s not like these disgusting people are conscious of minors when posting it.
That is a fair argument that can’t be disputed. However my rebuttal is why help to expose kids to things they shouldn’t have to see. I just fail to see the logic when I hear that the number one issue is to protect kids here, yet we’re gonna promote kids to moderate adult content. Whether it’s a 13+ room or not they’re going to have to deal with adult content if they’re in a position of moderating said content. We all know that teenagers know that that stuff is out there. I do t see the need to willfully expose them to it is all.
In your case, none apparently.
Of course no sane person would let their kid on here. But kids are going to come on here regardless, and they're going to be exposed to adult content. So, as I argued above - why shouldn't they be able to choose to help fight it?
The level of exposure is what differs. A chatter only sees the content posted in main during the time that they are logged in. A moderator reviews reports from main and from PMs over a much longer duration of time. This results in more content exposure (and often worse content exposure) because it includes PMs that wouldn't otherwise be available to be viewed as a non-staff chatter.
Yeah, and it's even worse in Kids Chat even as non staff. On this site, it can't be avoided.
It's a sad reality, but I have absolutely no doubt that the content a mod is exposed to in Kids Chat is worse than the content they would be exposed to in General Chat. That wasn't the question though. You asked a question about why being a mod would result in more content exposure than being a chatter, and I answered it.
Yes, and I also addressed that in my first post.
Ok allow me to answer your second question first. Yes, install adults to monitor kids chat. Do we allow kids to run daycare centers? No. As adults it is our responsibility to look out for and keep kids safe. Online and off. There’s a reason law enforcement uses decoys posing as minors to catch online predators. It’s to not expose minors to things they don’t need to see. This has nothing g to with Pinky as a person. I am quite sure she is an exceptional person. But there’s a reason we have rules and laws to protect kids her age. She’s not old enough to consent. It’s up to the adults aka us to keep them safe. Now if you guys can’t grasp that then that’s on you all. I’m not patronizing as you keep saying. I just care about keeping kids safe is all
Ya kinda contradicted yourself there. The answer to your query can be summed up in one word. Parenting.
This is an issue I've personally wrestled with for a long time, and there is no good solution given the current circumstances. The adults that operate daycare centers are extensively vetted and trained. If there were adult staff members in the youth rooms, then they would need to be background checked at a minimum to be in that position. This is a site that operates with volunteer staff members, and it's just not realistic to perform the type of vetting required to safely put an adult in charge of overseeing children.
I dont feel this is the point lol
I say this for ALMOST any other room as well.
Ok, I never heard a more rambling, incoherent speech with no meaning in my life. To paraphrase, at no point did you even come close to a coherent thought. We are all now dumber for having listened to you. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...😒
A 15 year old kid is still a child when compared to the adult world
15 year olds still live at home and collect an allowance. They can’t drink, smoke, drive, own a bank account or make adult decisions on their own.
Actually 15 year olds can get jobs and own a bank account where I live, and in some places they can drive.
But is everyone going to do that or even be aware of the moderators age in question? No.
thats my point. having an underage mod forces people to share illegal images with a minor if they happen to be the only mod on. unless they dont report it and wait for another mod or ss and come to forums to get someone over there. both options that would make having that mod redundant.
There’s no such thing as a very mature 15 year old kid. Cuz they’re just that, a kid. And kids should not be in a position to moderate adult content no matter the room or circumstance. Just ask yourself this and this goes for everyone saying how it’s perfectly ok for a child to be exposed to CP pervs etc etc. Would you want your 15 year old daughter exposed to it? Now that I think about it I’m surprised no one has brought up the unasked question till now. Do her parents know she’s modding adult content? That’s something to think about, because if not then that means adult staff here is putting minors in positions to be exposed to adult content. Perhaps even a legal liability if parents found out and hadn’t given their consent.
They’re eventually going to be exposed to it at some point. If this person was 13 I’d say hell no. At 15 or 16 I would give them an opportunity but that’s it.
Because there’s such a great big difference between 13 and 15 🤦♀️
In my opinion there is. Everyone is allowed an opinion.Because there’s such a great big difference between 13 and 15 🤦♀️
thats not the topic of this discusson. but if you want to get into the nitty-gritty, law enforcement is much more likely to look into what actually happened when its two adults in a chat room before they start exerting manpower into it.
Did you make a thread about this at one point? Where did that lead?
But that all also applies to Kids Chat and Teen Chat mods. Should they be replaced with adults too? That seems like an even bigger liability.
That was the premise of the op point. The wisdom of minors moderating adult content
However, for KC and TC, the only good alternative is putting background checked adults in charge of the rooms, and we know that won't happen. So is it better to leave the rooms unmoderated and let more children be exposed to inappropriate content, groomed, and abused?
Of course not. Install adult mods just as you would any other room. With set requirements. Say a minimum amount of time being a user, references from other members of staff, mods and admins. Things like that. It’s for adults to keep this place as safe as possible. It’ll never be perfect of course. But there’s a reason we don’t let kids run schools or daycares isn’t there? Because no matter how mature either they or a grown up(hint hint people here)think they are, they simply lack the life and social experience to be in charge of adult things. When I was 15 I thought I was ready to take on the world. Obviously I wasn’t. No 15 year old kid is no matter how mature they think they are. Hell im 27 and still get tired of adulting sometimes.
kids and teens shouldn't use the internet at all. but it's made to be a part of their lives at a young age, the number of creeps, pervs, pedos, absolute weirdos even as adults we should stay away from is terrible. it's not going to change the internet no matter where you go is full o of garbage bs. you should stop worrying about something that won't change.
🤦♀️ So to use your logic there will always be kids in this world that lose the parent jackpot and end up getting abused by the ones who should protect them. That’s always gonna be a thing. So we should all just not worry about it? 😒
That's part of life, unfortunately. You just have to get on with it. I agree, it's terrible. You yourself, nor me myself, will ever change the fact that the world we live in is sht. we just have to enjoy ourselves while we're here otherwise we spend our lives trying to change something that won't change. we use up most of our life fighting for a change that won't happen.
I hope I’m never as apathetic as you are. Good thing the majority of people aren’t.
Ill add a little something to this as its a wonderful point. Being a moderator of a room where its 13+, and modding it over 3 years so this isnt something Ive experienced just once, Ive been told many times by the younger ******** that they very much appreciate having a couple mods closer to their age range as they are just more comfortable. Having all adults mods (or of course no mods) for these rooms would be a bad idea in my opinion.
No, it is not 'TECHNICALLY', it is actually a legal definition 'Using a carriage service to distribute CSAM' and it is illegal to copy/reproduce CSAM and send it even if being used as evidence. An offender CAN be charged and put on a sex offender register.
I mean it’s definitely nothing personal by any stretch of the imagination. I just care about the safety of and well being of kids is all. That’s the biggest takeaway I hope Pinky gets from all of this. There’s been some petty back and forth on this thread but the bottom line is the online safety of kids on CA.
I agree we should over protect our kids until they reach 18, that way they will be ready to be bullied, not be able to stand up for themselves. thankfully my kids won't be anything like you when they grow up. my daughter can already look after herself at 14, my son works with me from time to time, he's only 12. that's the difference between a kid who will grow up to be productive. or somebody who will grow up to be scared and worried about everything like you Darth Erica.
Listen up you low life troll. I’m only gonna tell you this one time and I’m done with you. If you’re ok with your 14 year old daughter being exposed to child p0rn, porn, pervs, d!Ck pics etc etc, then you’re a failure as a father. And tbh, if you think that by exposing her to that kinda crap toughens her up than she should probably be taken from you and put into protective custody. Sounds to me like you’re incapable of keeping kids safe. And for the record, keeping kids safe doesn’t mean they grow up scared and worried. Only a small minded little man would think that way. And in fact you’re most likely the one scared of your own shadow which is why you wanna toughen up your kids. Now, with that said, there’s a bridge somewhere. Go crawl back under it.
Darth Erica, why are you so mad? Maybe you should go back to school to learn how to read.
Precisely. I honestly don’t understand some of the hostility some are spreading towards those of us who only care about the safety and well being of minors here.
Aside from railing against Americans which is your usual MO, what exactly is your argument for minors moderating adult content. Btw, Chat Avenue uses the age of 18 as the standard, so if someone from Mexico as you say is 12, they wouldn’t be allowed to chat here at all.
Here’s the part I find incredibly hypocritical. On one hand people are saying the number one issue is the protection of minors here. Which it should be. Then on the other hand they’re saying it’s fine for minors to mod porn, cp, etc etc. If a minor reported someone sending them adult content such as that, the offender would be kicked and or banned for sending that to a minor. So why is it ok for a minor to be exposed to it because they’re modding? Makes no sense. I actually want someone to make it make sense. But that’s not gonna happen cuz it can’t be made sense of 🤦♀️
Yeah, it definitely dosent make any sense lol. As I think I said earlier on "protect minors from illegal material by having a minor deal with it" 😂
I can agree with the point that’s been made earlier about having some younger mods for younger ********(minors)to feel comfortable going to, rather than someone in their 30’s perhaps. But someone 18,19, early twenties is close enough in age to the 14, 15, 16 year old kids to talk to. That way, minors aren’t being exposed to things no sensible parent would want their kid seeing online, and they can have someone to go to with issues who can relate to their age group.
Yep! This 👆right here!
great post in fairness, it's an excellant argument on whether actually under 17/18s should mod the rooms. This site however does have a kids chat room, is it not in their best interest to maybe have an adult admin and a couple of kid mods to keep the room in synch and involved?
It is probably in their best interest to have a verified adult mod. Instead, you have kids watching kids, who are not verified and might be adults.
I’d have to say no to kids moderating kids chat. Tho I don’t think having 40 somethings moderating it either is a good idea. An admin say in his/her twenties, with mods 18-early twenty something. Still young enough to relate to the kids there. Yet when I say kids it’s still 13-18 I think, maybe 17 I’m not sure, which is the ages we get in Girls Chat.
That’s good to know 🙂. With no mods around the room can get creepy with the peds and pervs, stuff that minors have no business dealing with at a staff level. Users can ignore adult content, staff really can’t, so any underage mod is thereby forced to view it, where that’s something I know you and the rest of the staff actively tries to keep away from minors.
For one thing 12 year olds aren’t allowed to chat here at all. All rooms are 13+ at the minimum. Secondly, most of us do actually care if minors are being subjected to CP, porn, pedos, pervs etc. 14,15,16 year old kids don’t need to be exposed to that crap here. It’s supposed to be the duty of staff to keep it away from kids, not put them on the front line of it. Also, Chat Avenue uses 18 as the standard for regulating minors.
wat about the kids room, should under 18s with some sorta common sense and maturity be able to mod that? In all fairness lets not right off all under 18s .
No I think he should close the under age rooms I don’t see it in any other way it’s screaming pervs come in groomers all sorts I don’t agree with any of it
we close off everything coz of perverts, yea lets make them win...sure
Why a closed room suggestion I’m not being tight strict or mean I’m doing what I do best protecting kids from online harm groomers child peds !!!! That’s why I was the best mod best admin best superadmin and now I own a site !!!!! 👸🏻
No one is closing off anything. The simple fact is minors aren’t old enough to be subjected to moderating adult content. That’s not a punishment. That’s keeping kids safe. We don’t kids in to see rated r movies, yet allowing them to deal with x rated material here is somehow ok? I know you didn’t say that but many people are and that’s not ok.
she understands now I have explained to her x
My site is 18+ babes my staff will have permission to kick mute and ban up to 30 days ! 👸🏻🌙🌸🌸🌸🫧⭐️⭐️🫶🫶 anyone under the age of 18