Should Chat Avenue Allow Underage Moderators?

Vote for your answer to the debate question, (mods under 18 )

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 41.5%

  • No

    Votes: 18 43.9%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 14.6%
  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
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This Child is not even legal to see a coc* I don’t Fking CARE how much experience as a mod she’s had she’s underage !!!!! I don’t care if the rooms 13+ she’s UNDER AGE she’s not legal to have sexxx she’s a minor!!! Why’s he set her …

You lot might not CARE well I fuckkking DO!!!!
 
TheDifference said:
Interesting point. I’ll just point out a few things that came to my mind. Under your construct, even if an adult is reporting cp to another adult, that would “technically” be sharing cp. Or what if someone finds a pedo online and reports the cp to law enforcement. Under your construct they are also “technically” sharing cp between two parties. See where I’m going here?
Finally, and more specific to the issue here, ******** can report a pedo without posting the content of what the pedo posted. Then they wouldn’t “technically” be sharing cp.
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No, it is not 'TECHNICALLY', it is actually a legal definition 'Using a carriage service to distribute CSAM' and it is illegal to copy/reproduce CSAM and send it even if being used as evidence. An offender CAN be charged and put on a sex offender register.

Also, if you are under 18 and take a nude selfie and send it, you can also be be found guilty of 'using a carriage service to distribute CSAM' and regardless of them being under 18, can also end up on the sex offender register.
 
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FairyxStar_oOo said:
Come back in loads of years time and tell me if you’d WANT ur child or any child looking and cok and pussay and god knows what else and tell us we don’t care about a child well-being you’ll understand WHEN you become
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I mean it’s definitely nothing personal by any stretch of the imagination. I just care about the safety of and well being of kids is all. That’s the biggest takeaway I hope Pinky gets from all of this. There’s been some petty back and forth on this thread but the bottom line is the online safety of kids on CA.
 
DarthErica said:
I mean it’s definitely nothing personal by any stretch of the imagination. I just care about the safety of and well being of kids is all. That’s the biggest takeaway I hope Pinky gets from all of this. There’s been some petty back and forth on this thread but the bottom line is the online safety of kids on CA.
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I agree we should over protect our kids until they reach 18, that way they will be ready to be bullied, not be able to stand up for themselves. thankfully my kids won't be anything like you when they grow up. my daughter can already look after herself at 14, my son works with me from time to time, he's only 12. that's the difference between a kid who will grow up to be productive. or somebody who will grow up to be scared and worried about everything like you Darth Erica.
 
Seedorf said:
I agree we should over protect our kids until they reach 18, that way they will be ready to be bullied, not be able to stand up for themselves. thankfully my kids won't be anything like you when they grow up. my daughter can already look after herself at 14, my son works with me from time to time, he's only 12. that's the difference between a kid who will grow up to be productive. or somebody who will grow up to be scared and worried about everything like you Darth Erica.
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Listen up you low life troll. I’m only gonna tell you this one time and I’m done with you. If you’re ok with your 14 year old daughter being exposed to child p0rn, porn, pervs, d!Ck pics etc etc, then you’re a failure as a father. And tbh, if you think that by exposing her to that kinda crap toughens her up than she should probably be taken from you and put into protective custody. Sounds to me like you’re incapable of keeping kids safe. And for the record, keeping kids safe doesn’t mean they grow up scared and worried. Only a small minded little man would think that way. And in fact you’re most likely the one scared of your own shadow which is why you wanna toughen up your kids. Now, with that said, there’s a bridge somewhere. Go crawl back under it.

Oh and by the way, seedork, you’re on ignore so don’t bother
 
Ok put it this way kids will be kids yes but there’s a thin line !! Modding is not for a underage child I was 25 when I became a mod/admin I’m now 32 !!!!! I’m well at the top now but we are talking underage children I just can’t approve there’s no other way it’s a no brainer just no chose an older chatter
 
DarthErica said:
Listen up you low life troll. I’m only gonna tell you this one time and I’m done with you. If you’re ok with your 14 year old daughter being exposed to child p0rn, porn, pervs, d!Ck pics etc etc, then you’re a failure as a father. And tbh, if you think that by exposing her to that kinda crap toughens her up than she should probably be taken from you and put into protective custody. Sounds to me like you’re incapable of keeping kids safe. And for the record, keeping kids safe doesn’t mean they grow up scared and worried. Only a small minded little man would think that way. And in fact you’re most likely the one scared of your own shadow which is why you wanna toughen up your kids. Now, with that said, there’s a bridge somewhere. Go crawl back under it.
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Darth Erica, why are you so mad? Maybe you should go back to school to learn how to read.
Pinky is not your daughter, nor is she mine. If she herself is fine with what she does, why do you feel you have the right to keep making her feel useless, not up to the task? Anyway, you're not going to accept anything I say, so just continue to be an idiot. Take care.
 
TheDifference said:
I think you completely missed the point that one side of this issue is trying to make. It’s not about jealousy or them as a person or if they are capable of doing the job of a moderator.
Some people here are concerned about a minor being placed in a position where they will have to be exposed to graphic sexual images such as cp.
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Precisely. I honestly don’t understand some of the hostility some are spreading towards those of us who only care about the safety and well being of minors here.
 
I am just confused how anyone could argue in favor of a minor moding chat avenue. Other than the fact that we all know about the depravity that goes on here, users have been on the news. A p ring was busted here several years ago. The original cams was busted using minors.

It is all public information.
 
Icarium said:
I think this whole discussion has gone far too far.

There are some who will argue with all their might that someone who has proven her worth (as a mod) should never be mod, and there are others (including me) who believe in the good of people and maturity in them.

As @Pinky has said herself, age is a very arbitrary number. At 23.59.59 in your 18th year on this planet (and yes, I know the puritans amongst you will now argue that I got the numbers wrong, but really, when you are born you are zero, and you enter your first year on this planet) you are an innocent naive kid, and one second later you are a mature adult.

But to inform you Americans, there are other countries on this planet, The US of A is not the only country here. And in some countries 16 is legal age, and in others, Mexico for instance 12 is. Yes, Americans, Mexico has a legal age of 12. Shocking isn't it, that other countries have other laws.

As far as I am aware @Pinky isn't an American girl. in fact, as far as I am aware, she hails from a country so far away that most of you Americans are all asleep when she is doing her modding business. So please, enlighten me, why on earth are you singling her out?

I don't know her, I have never had any dealings with her, for the simple reasons I don't go to the rooms she is is (and nor should I go to, for the age thing). But I have a right to state my mind, as you lot think to do.

Perhaps the owners of this forum should just shut it all down, delete everyone and everything from here, and start again, and ONLY keep the mods, for they are doing one hell of an awesome job in trying to keep this place open for some of the most vile people I have seen in 28 years of chatting.

Yes I'm old. I know.
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Aside from railing against Americans which is your usual MO, what exactly is your argument for minors moderating adult content. Btw, Chat Avenue uses the age of 18 as the standard, so if someone from Mexico as you say is 12, they wouldn’t be allowed to chat here at all.

Soapie said:
This is the bit I'm not understanding lol. It seems alot of the points that say she's fine to mod it is that she's capable and mature enough... yes, we can all agree on that... dosent mean it's OK. Like!? 😂
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Here’s the part I find incredibly hypocritical. On one hand people are saying the number one issue is the protection of minors here. Which it should be. Then on the other hand they’re saying it’s fine for minors to mod porn, cp, etc etc. If a minor reported someone sending them adult content such as that, the offender would be kicked and or banned for sending that to a minor. So why is it ok for a minor to be exposed to it because they’re modding? Makes no sense. I actually want someone to make it make sense. But that’s not gonna happen cuz it can’t be made sense of 🤦‍♀️
 
DarthErica said:
Here’s the part I find incredibly hypocritical. On one hand people are saying the number one issue is the protection of minors here. Which it should be. Then on the other hand they’re saying it’s fine for minors to mod porn, cp, etc etc. If a minor reported someone sending them adult content such as that, the offender would be kicked and or banned for sending that to a minor. So why is it ok for a minor to be exposed to it because they’re modding? Makes no sense. I actually want someone to make it make sense. But that’s not gonna happen cuz it can’t be made sense of 🤦‍♀️
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Yeah, it definitely dosent make any sense lol. As I think I said earlier on "protect minors from illegal material by having a minor deal with it" 😂
 
TheDifference said:
Not sure it’s really a double standard. I think some people can believe that minors should be protected on the internet and also believe that there are some benefits to having minors mod some rooms.
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I can agree with the point that’s been made earlier about having some younger mods for younger ********(minors)to feel comfortable going to, rather than someone in their 30’s perhaps. But someone 18,19, early twenties is close enough in age to the 14, 15, 16 year old kids to talk to. That way, minors aren’t being exposed to things no sensible parent would want their kid seeing online, and they can have someone to go to with issues who can relate to their age group.
 
The debate: Should Chat Chat Avenue allow mods to be under 18 years of age in the 13+ Rooms (This debate isn't about any particular mod, and posts that do that will be removed. ) Please consider reading the arguments before voting.

edit: Posts directed at current UA staff will be deleted etc. This thread is was not created to continue the closed SCandF thread-
 
No. For many reasons which are too many to list here. For one, even the 13+ rooms have their share of pedos, pervs, creeps of all nature, and in some rooms such as General many users are above 18 and consist of adult conversations. There is no benefit to allowing a minor to be exposed to such content when staff is supposed to keep that content away from them. Putting minors on the front line to combat cp, d!ck pix, pervs etc is antithetical to what protecting minors is all about. There are a million reasons why agencies who work in tandom with law enforcement use decoys posing as minors to catch online predators. It’s to not expose kids to them. What parent in there right mind would willfully allow their child to moderate a chat room filled with adult content?

Also, how does anyone know that these minor mods have their parents consent? They’re not old enough to consent themselves, so you could be putting minors in positions to be exploited without parental consent. That could become a legal issue.

Now let’s touch on an issue brought up before. Argument being it’s good to have young mods so minors can reach out to them instead of the older mods. Mods who are 18, 19 and early twenties are young enough to relate to minors, without putting minors in situations they don’t belong. And make this make sense...a perv send porn to a minor, the minor reports it and the user gets kicked/banned. What’s the point of that report going to a minor who happens to be the mod? So it’s not ok for a minor to see it if they’re a regular chatter, but it’s perfectly ok for a minor to see it if they’re a mod? That cannot be made sense of.

I’m sure these kids think they’re very mature, just like I did when I was their age. But I wasnt and neither are they. And any adult who thinks they’re very mature has their head in the clouds. Underage kids should never be willfully put into a position where they will be on the front line of dealing with CP, pedos, pervs, creeps etc. It’s wrong, and shameful.
 
This is a tough one for me considering I modded girls chat back when I was under 18.
Kids and Teens chat were crazy modding under 18 honestly as well.

I feel like the mods under 18 I want to protect in some way so when I see some of the mods moderating a chat room it gets me in protect mode.

At the end of the day we all have morals and values. I can see where most people see the age being a problem. Most of the kids here know what they are getting into. Do I necessarily want them to be subjected to that stuff? Hell no. I don’t even like seeing a 17 year old admining Live chat just because Live chat used to be similar to Video chat back in the day and well I modded and admined Video chat.
I also don’t like seeing a 15 year old modding General Chat, but here we are.
 
This isn't really a problem for admins, all you guys can do is follow CMs rules.

If CM wants to allow children to moderate in any of the chatrooms that are obviously visited by people of all ages, along with criminals that like to prey on children, that becomes a problem for CM to have to worry about on a legal matter.

If I was a parent, I wouldn't allow my child to moderate on this garbage site. So the morality of it all doesn't boil down to the "maturity" of what a child thinks they have, that doesn't mean jack to anyone in any of the 50 states if they are underage, and it doesn't matter for a reason.

Moreover, I would be more curious as to why my child is conversing with adults on any website, let alone having some kind of friendship with an adult to the point that my child felt comfortable enough to give out any kind of information to an adult, in this case, to be a moderator. Maybe the debate shouldn't be whether chat ave allows underage children to be mods( because if one really needs to debate that, there is a bigger mental problem for asking the question in the first place), but, should adults, in general, be talking to children online for any reason on a chat site, that is not geared to be done so in a professional and monitored manner by a professional agency either by government, state, mental health agency, an associated teachers organization, or some kind of combination,,etc. (This is really a rhetorical question as well; if you need to debate why you don't have to stay in your lane, then the mental health **** you are dealing with, is something i want no part of.)

The problem boils down to parental guidance, parents need to be making the decisions in their underage children's lives and monitoring their child's internet activities; for me personally, right upto 17 years of age, by the time a child hits 17 one is entering into adulthood and life changes at least in regard to privacy and letting a teenager of 17+ have unfettered privacy.

Then the next question should be, what legal ramifications are there for an " Admin " or CM in allowing an underage child moderate in any of the chatrooms on this site. If there is none, then that is the end of the debate and everything else is just personal opinion.

if CM doesn't have verified information on admins,and that info isn't easily accessible to the public or parents, that need to know for whatever reason, why would I if I was a parent, just willy nilly trust an adult talking to my child to " become a moderator".

People want to be stupid, ignorant, whatever and engage with children online, pft. Good luck.
 
I really don't get how this is even a debate.

The implication here is we are allowing those who are underaged to see pornography, and are in fact encouraging it to be sent to them directly. This is not about how you feel. This is about what is legal. It breaks the law.
 
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