Should Chat Avenue Allow Underage Moderators?

Vote for your answer to the debate question, (mods under 18 )

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 41.5%

  • No

    Votes: 18 43.9%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 14.6%
  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
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In the spirit of the thread then , I would say no one under 18 should moderate General Chat. The reason is that some of the users who are VIP do get away with much more including harassing underage females and probably underage boys too. You get the response when you bring up this. "Well this screen shot does not prove that my buddy Low Key is a ****. All this says is he wants to ram his hot rod into her garage. I mean I know that sounds bad but he could just really be into cars and parking them.
I think rooms with a history of protecting underage users it is fine for someone under 18 to mod them. General Chat is not one of those rooms.
 
Pinky said:
So now it’s 17? Let’s be fair here and decide on an age. 17 or 18?

A lot of countries around the world and states of USA it’s 16 to legally ‘do the deed.’ The 18+ is a federal US law that applies to ‘adult content’ in the USA, and generally sites hosted in the States (admittedly, this is also pushed onto other countries around the world because, well … ‘Mericaaa!)

If we’re going to start talking about legality vs morality, let’s compare apples with apples and oranges to oranges. Stop cherry picking between the two.

From a legal standpoint, this site seems to pick and chose laws from international standards and US standards, so it’s a bit of a grey area anyways.

From a moral perspective, I’m about 7 months off being the age of consent in my country. Once I’m 16, I can legally have sex, but because of America, I can’t legally go to a room and discuss it? Because it’s only immoral in their eyes, not my country of origin.

So, can some of you hardass naysayers tell me, are we talking legally? Morally? Is it 17? 18? Why was it decided to be ok for some rooms to be 17 but not be a problem? Can someone please explain all these conundrums to me?
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Ok I’ll do my best here 🙂. I’ll start with the 17 vs 18. In America the legal age of consent in most states is 18, some 16, I’ve even heard it’s 14 in a few. And yea it varies from country to country of course, like where you live for example. However as I’m sure you’re aware Chat Avenue uses 18 as its standard bearer.

That then brings us to the morality question. What’s moral to one culture may be immoral to another, so it’s a tough question to give a definitive answer to. However in most all societies/cultures it’s considered immoral to engage in sexual relations with young teens. That goes back even to ancient times. So adults have always made it their responsibility to protect kids from those who would look to harm you. Even in your country it would be illegal for an adult to engage in inappropriate behavior with you right now.

So it’s with this in mind that many, not all, but many adults here have strong feelings and reservations about minors moderating chat rooms containing adult content. I’ve said it before, but it’s the job of adults to keep young people from harm and being exposed to things they shouldn’t be seeing yet. This site doesn’t allow adults to creep on minors, spread CP etc because not only is it illegal but morally wrong for those minors to see it. So if underage users are allowed to mod, then by default you’re gonna see those things.

Another issue at hand is parental consent. If underage users are allowed to mod without their parents consent, then Chat Avenue and any admin is responsible for those kids viewing CP, porn etc. Things any reasonable parent would never allow their kid to be exposed to. The risks outweigh any possible reward. So the age of 18 was set here. A definitive age had to be set as the benchmark.
 
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LostCause. said:
It's a sad reality, but I have absolutely no doubt that the content a mod is exposed to in Kids Chat is worse than the content they would be exposed to in General Chat.
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This ^^

There was zero “outrage” before. So, why now?

Rhetorical, of course, but if anyone can make it make sense, I’m all for a factual, non-opinionated response.
 
TheLeigh said:
This ^^

There was zero “outrage” before. So, why now?

Rhetorical, of course, but if anyone can make it make sense, I’m all for a factual, non-opinionated response.
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I can only speak for myself here. But the honest answer here is I never paid attention to kids chat. I never saw any complaints here on forums about creeps, peds, pervs, cp etc on there. Not to say they didn’t exist I just never saw them. And honestly because of that I always figured it was moderated well enough that they were weeded out. It’s only now that I’m hearing that it was/is a land of pedos. I knew there was one or two underage mods there but I didn’t think that that’s what they were dealing with. Had I known that I would have been outspoken a long time ago.
 
Once again I think it depends on the room culture. When ******** like Low Key harass underage girls and the response given by admin is "Well Low Key is a VIP and I don't see that as unsavory", then that makes me worried that though such behavior is not encouraged it is not really discouraged. Again not in General Chat too many creeps with tons of access to underage is why I think the mods should be over 18.
 
DarthErica said:
Ok I’ll do my best here 🙂. I’ll start with the 17 vs 18. In America the legal age of consent in most states is 18, some 16, I’ve even heard it’s 14 in a few. And yea it varies from country to country of course, like where you live for example. However as I’m sure you’re aware Chat Avenue uses 18 as its standard bearer.

That then brings us to the morality question. What’s moral to one culture may be immoral to another, so it’s a tough question to give a definitive answer to. However in most all societies/cultures it’s considered immoral to engage in sexual relations with young teens. That goes back even to ancient times. So adults have always made it their responsibility to protect kids from those who would look to harm you. Even in your country it would be illegal for an adult to engage in inappropriate behavior with you right now.

So it’s with this in mind that many, not all, but many adults here have strong feelings and reservations about minors moderating chat rooms containing adult content. I’ve said it before, but it’s the job of adults to keep young people from harm and being exposed to things they shouldn’t be seeing yet. This site doesn’t allow adults to creep on minors, spread CP etc because not only is it illegal but morally wrong for those minors to see it. So if underage users are allowed to mod, then by default you’re gonna see those things.

Another issue at hand is parental consent. If underage users are allowed to mod without their parents consent, then Chat Avenue and any admin is responsible for those kids viewing CP, porn etc. Things any reasonable parent would never allow their kid to be exposed to. The risks outweigh any possible reward. So the age of 18 was set here. A definitive age had to be set as the benchmark.
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Well said.


DarthErica said:
So if underage users are allowed to mod, then by default you’re gonna see those things.
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Underage users are going to see those things whether they mod or not.
 
BlackLivesMatter said:
Sam is such an ass. I mean you have mod experience and a good record. You should be given full mod colors but Sammy likes his power trips and to think he does something of importance. Good luck and do watch yourself.
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You always make me so chuffed. Thank you. And I survived 8 months in KC with no ‘colours’ (I guess you mean here?).

I have a lot going on in my life atm, and I’m not actually a ‘relief mod’ per se, he made it clear not to call myself that. I will be going away for a while starting next month, so I doubt you’ll see me, if at all, until probably mid to late October.
 
Pinky said:
You always make me so chuffed. Thank you. And I survived 8 months in KC with no “colours” (I guess you mean here?).

I have a lot going on in my life atm, and I’m not actually a ‘relief mod’ per se, he made it clear not to call myself that. I will be going away for a while starting next month, so I doubt you’ll see me if at all until probably mid to late October.
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I just wish you well. I have not chatted there for a while. The last time I had a relief mod ride me the entire time I was there when I was trying to chat with a couple of the long standing ******** playing catch up but the relief mod would not leave me alone.
 
I feel like people under the age of 18 should be mods but be trained by the already mods on the Chatroom who are 18, To make them learn and teach them about how to safely handle nasty people how to kick people out and find a reason if y’all do that already then your not doing good at it I seen mods not doing there job and some people who are under 18 see what goes on in these Chatrooms when there’s no mod and we want to make a difference. Us kids should get a harder application with more questions on why we want to be a mod and get trained harder
But that’s the work part of it

The things on the Chatrooms said that are for sure nasty is definitely not child friendly I think we should have in the application post for saying they are opened should be a TW at the top that’s says about the stuff that is said the bad things and you must be thick skinned and make sure this stuff doesn’t effect them I know your hearing this from a kid no **** but please hear us out some of us wanna make a different on here.

Sincerely
Sammy
 
BlackLivesMatter said:
Sam is such an ass. I mean you have mod experience and a good record. You should be given full mod colors but Sammy likes his power trips and to think he does something of importance. Good luck and do watch yourself.
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It often takes some time for a new moderator’s status to be reflected on their forums account.
Additionally, you clearly have issues with certain people but this thread was created to move away from talking about specific mods or specific rooms and have a broader more general debate on this topic.
 
DarthErica said:
But! And here’s the but...users can put those things on ignore. A mod/staff member can’t. They’re forced to deal with it. Therein lies the difference.
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This is true. But! The only way you know to put someone who is posting that stuff on ignore is if you see it first. So they are going to see it regardless. Maybe that’s semantics but it’s my point. As weak or strong as it may be 😂
 
Sammyxo said:
What is to like to be a mod like at the first day do you get training or do u figure it out by yourself
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Ah ok thanks for clarifying.

I am only speaking about Adult Chat but when a new mod starts we try and have another mod (usually a senior or more experienced mod) take them through the different mod tools and, of course, make sure they have read and understand the rules of the room.
So we don’t just throw them into the room alone. We will have them mod with other mods till they get more experience and also so they can ask questions about things.
We also have a way to communicate as a whole team so that we are all on the same page about how we handle certain things that go on in the room.

Modding in AC takes a lot of focus, can be stressful and goes at a very fast pace because we usually have over 1,000 ******** at any given time. There are a lot of violations and you are constantly in action. So we try hard to support new mods so they don’t burn out and don’t feel alone.

Hope that helps ✌🏻
 
TheDifference said:
This is true. But! The only way you know to put someone who is posting that stuff on ignore is if you see it first. So they are going to see it regardless. Maybe that’s semantics but it’s my point. As weak or strong as it may be 😂
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Yes but however, that still wouldn’t convince any parent in their right mind to let their kid moderate adult content in an online chat room. I know I wouldn’t let my kid do it and I’d freak the fudge out if I found out she was doing it without me knowing about it. And I’d wonder what the hell kind of website and people are letting kids be exposed to that crap as a staff member.

TheDifference said:
Ah ok thanks for clarifying.

I am only speaking about Adult Chat but when a new mod starts we try and have another mod (usually a senior or more experienced mod) take them through the different mod tools and, of course, make sure they have read and understand the rules of the room.
So we don’t just throw them into the room alone. We will have them mod with other mods till they get more experience and also so they can ask questions about things.
We also have a way to communicate as a whole team so that we are all on the same page about how we handle certain things that go on in the room.

Modding in AC takes a lot of focus, can be stressful and goes at a very fast pace because we usually have over 1,000 ******** at any given time. There are a lot of violations and you are constantly in action. So we try hard to support new mods so they don’t burn out and don’t feel alone.

Hope that helps ✌🏻
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I e been asked to mod Girls Chat. Still pondering it. I dunno how the hell you manage the Sodom and Ghamora that is Adult Chat 😬
 
TheDifference said:
Alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol 😂
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I’ll drink to that 🍻😂

NicoleShropshire39 said:
There isn't enough alcohol in the world for me to mod GC let alone the hell hole that is Adult chat. I tip my hat and curtsey in your general direction.
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There’s always enough alcohol for almost anything 😄😄

And by the ay all, despite of what it may appear I did not start this thread nor the poll. Same wise did, I dunno why I’m listed on top.
 
DarthErica said:
I know right! Try to make sense of that logic. 🙄. A great idea. Adults thinking it’s ok for kids who aren’t even old enough to get into a rated R movie, to moderate adult/pornographic content online 🙄. Ya can’t make this stuff up
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Actually, this is incorrect sorry. Please see the following definitions of the American rating system.

MPA has five rating categories:

G (general audiences), All ages admitted. Nothing that would offend parents for viewing by children.

PG (Parental Guidance Suggested) Some material may not be suitable for children. Parents urged to give ‘parental guidance’. May contain some material parents might not like for their young children.

PG-13 (Parents Strongly Cautioned) Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. Parents are urged to be cautious. Some material may be inappropriate for pre-teenagers.

R (Restricted) Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian. Contains some adult material. Parents are urged to learn more about the film before taking their young children with them.

NC-17 (Adults Only) No one 17 and under admitted. Clearly adult. Children are not admitted.
 
So basically what I’m seeing is all these would be or current parents would allow their 15 year old daughter to frequent and moderate a chatroom they know fully well isn’t appropriate for kids to be in.

Good to know where you all stand on this issue.

Weird hill to die on but not really surprising given the crowd here.
 
Pinky said:
Actually, this is incorrect sorry. Please see the following definitions of the American rating system.

MPA has five rating categories:

G (general audiences), All ages admitted. Nothing that would offend parents for viewing by children.

PG (Parental Guidance Suggested) Some material may not be suitable for children. Parents urged to give ‘parental guidance’. May contain some material parents might not like for their young children.

PG-13 (Parents Strongly Cautioned) Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. Parents are urged to be cautious. Some material may be inappropriate for pre-teenagers.

R (Restricted) Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian. Contains some adult material. Parents are urged to learn more about the film before taking their young children with them.

NC-17 (Adults Only) No one 17 and under admitted. Clearly adult. Children are not admitted.
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Correct. Without a parent or guardian. Which means you couldn’t get into said movie on your own. Which was the point I was trying make.
 
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DarthErica said:
Correct. Without a parent or guardian. Which means you couldn’t get into said movie on your own. Which was the point I was trying make.
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wildwestwanderer said:
… current parents would allow their 15 year old daughter …
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And who are you exactly to be deciding this for all the kids and/or their parents on this site for them?

I’m sorry, but where there are kids, there are perverts. In churches, in schools, in parks, in daycare centres, in hspitals, in malls. Maybe just make it so kids don’t exist? Take away the ‘temptation’ of creepy adults? Exile us to an island until we come of age?

How about we talk about punishing the evil, not the kids? Why is it always us that has to suffer for the shortcomings of adults?

Who tf can answer this for me?

🫳🏽🎤
 
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You’re missing the point. Everyone agrees bad things happen and exist in this world. And nobody can shelter anyone from those things.

But intentionally putting someone in that position when they didn’t have to be, that’s an absolutely seperate matter. Please understand this.

Child endangerment even?

No mic drop when you completely misunderstood the premise of peoples complaint here.

Reading comprehension isn’t your strength clearly.
 
wildwestwanderer said:
You’re missing the point. Everyone agrees bad things happen and exist in this world. And nobody can shelter anyone from those things.

But intentionally putting someone in that position when they didn’t have to be, that’s an absolutely seperate matter. Please understand this.

Child endangerment even?

No mic drop when you completely misunderstood the premise of peoples complaint here.

Reading comprehension isn’t your strength clearly.
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There’s no need to start with the insults. I never insulted you. Don’t attack my ability to communicate, as this is a very personal thing to me.

Firstly, people knowingly put their kids in these places I mentioned everyday, assuming they’re ‘moderated’, only to find evil is lurking inside.

Kids chat and 13+ rooms are the same. They’re open for us. They’re not supposed to have sexual content. They’re moderated.

And I also like to point out, how do you know if I do or do not have parental consent to be here and/or moderate? That’s called an assumption.

You don’t know me, yet you find it OK to suggest that a 15 year old “lacks reading comprehension” simply because she has an opinion that’s not popular with you? And you assume I’m here without permission? Should I introduce you to Sang who once tried to doxx me on this very forum and find out?

Let’s keep this civil, kidults.
 
This debate/discussion isn't about any particular mod(s) perhaps use hypotheticals or broader terms- folks, ty 🙂

DarthErica said:
I can only speak for myself here. But the honest answer here is I never paid attention to kids chat. I never saw any complaints here on forums about creeps, peds, pervs, cp etc on there. Not to say they didn’t exist I just never saw them. And honestly because of that I always figured it was moderated well enough that they were weeded out. It’s only now that I’m hearing that it was/is a land of pedos. I knew there was one or two underage mods there but I didn’t think that that’s what they were dealing with. Had I known that I would have been outspoken a long time ago.
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"I always figured it was moderated well enough that they were weeded out." - who weeded them out? the same age group mods you now say shouldn't be able to do it.

You didn't mean it was adults doing the weeding, as you've clearly argued adults shouldn't be in the kids chats (something many others similarly argued)

edit: might want to take note forums posts (by your own words) ^ are not always an accurate reflection as to the actual state of any room.
 
So I just wanna set the record straight about Samwise twisting something I said last night.
This is my exact quote: “I can only speak for myself here. But the honest answer here is I never paid attention to kids chat. I never saw any complaints here on forums about creeps, peds, pervs, cp etc on there. Not to say they didn’t exist I just never saw them. And honestly because of that I always figured it was moderated well enough that they were weeded out. It’s only now that I’m hearing that it was/is a land of pedos. I knew there was one or two underage mods there but I didn’t think that that’s what they were dealing with. Had I known that I would have been outspoken a long time ago.”

Now here’s what Sams response was, before turning off my ability to reply to him:
"I always figured it was moderated well enough that they were weeded out." - who weeded them out? the same age group mods you now say shouldn't be able to do it.

You didn't mean it was adults doing the weeding, as you've clearly argued adults shouldn't be in the kids chats (something many others similarly argued)

As I said last night, I never knew it was a haven for creeps. @Samwise please take a moment and read things before twisting them. As I said, I knew there were 1 or 2 minor mods there, but had no idea they were dealing with peds and pervs there. Had I known that I would’ve said that they shouldn’t be modding in that case. And my argument about adults in kids chat has always been clear. Adults should NOT be in there lurking/chatting, only that adults 18 to early mid twenties tops should be modding the room. Hindsight is 20/20.

And you further accuse me of going off topic? That’s a total lie. I simply responded positively to something Pinky said, even complimenting her. You deleted that post why? To cover up the truth because you know you’re wrong perhaps. Be better. Do better. You can’t have a debate about something YOU brought up if you’re going to silence opinions opposing yours. Thank you.
 
XRosalinaX said:
I know I stated that I would have logged out, but I wanted to talk.

I suppose that everyone knows @Pinky right? Yeah, she was amazing in Kids Chat.

She can do things that some grown-ups can't even handle.

She came to General Chat and became a regular (looking for a place to belong) and yeah, she's great with keeping the creeps away.

I believe she was removed for being inactive, or something like that. I don't know the whole story.

But, still I'm concerned about the exposure of adult content in General Chat. She's still a minor and may not be ready to deal with some of the topics and behaviors that occur there.

I think there was a misunderstanding or mistake of the removement (for Kids Chat).

I can talk to the owner and see if they reconsider your case.

*If you ever change your mind.
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The staff of this website think that it is okay for minors to partake in sexual conversation. That is all that seems to matter.
 
General chat is the age is 13+. She was asked to help and she said yes that’s not your decision to decide. She wants to and was asked to help so let her help i don’t get what’s so difficult here. And if you’re gonna respond back to this say something original for once. IT’S HER MIND NOT YOURS.
 
SouporMan said:
The staff of this website think that it is okay for minors to partake in sexual conversation. That is all that seems to matter.
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Yikes.

I'm a KC moderator right now and haven't had any sexual conversations.

But, now that the users probably know that there is an underage moderator they could potentially take advantage?
 
XRosalinaX said:
Yikes.

I'm a KC moderator right now and haven't had any sexual conversations.

But, now that the users probably know that there is an underage moderator they could potentially take advantage?
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And if that happens the situation will be taken care of. Pinky isn’t stupid. She’s able to handle things herself respectfully. I honestly think this thread is very very very, very stupid.
 
Creed101 said:
General chat is the age is 13+. She was asked to help and she said yes that’s not your decision to decide. She wants to and was asked to help so let her help i don’t get what’s so difficult here. And if you’re gonna respond back to this say something original for once. IT’S HER MIND NOT YOURS.
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She was asked for help by the admin because of relevant skills and experience (she could be used and you never know).

Also, want to make it clear that I am not taking anyone's side or trying to cause any trouble.

You seem extremely upset and I'm backing away.

And, I'm trying to figure out if the Kids Chat removal had a valid purpose or not (she seemed not to know).

She is a minor, and she deserves to be protected and respected.

We have no control over what she does or sees online. If she is exposed to adult content or other inappropriate material, we cannot stop her or protect her. We can only advise her and educate her. Therefore, it is too late to go back and undo what has been done.
 
XRosalinaX said:
She was asked for help by the admin because of relevant skills and experience (she could be used and you never know).

Also, want to make it clear that I am not taking anyone's side or trying to cause any trouble.

You seem extremely upset and I'm backing away.

And, I'm trying to figure out if the Kids Chat removal had a valid purpose or not (she seemed not to know).

She is a minor, and she deserves to be protected and respected.

We have no control over what she does or sees online. If she is exposed to adult content or other inappropriate material, we cannot stop her or protect her. We can only advise her and educate her. Therefore, it is too late to go back and undo what has been done.
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I’m not angry at you. I’m just stating a point it’s not geared toward you. Don’t worry.
 
SouporMan said:
Because this thread is being derailed, and no one is admitting the obvious. This website is supporting minors receiving CP. It doesn't matter what you think, or how mature you feel a minor is, its the truth of the matter.
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And they’re not gonna do anything about it sadly so deal with it.
 
Creed101 said:
And they’re not gonna do anything about it sadly so deal with it.
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So because the website isn't doing anything with it, we are suppose to deal with the illegal activity that goes on this website? Yeah sorry.

This crime involves children, and I get that you don't care, but some of us do.
 
So I just wanna set the record straight about Samwise twisting something I said last night.
DarthErica said:
This is my exact quote: “I can only speak for myself here. But the honest answer here is I never paid attention to kids chat. I never saw any complaints here on forums about creeps, peds, pervs, cp etc on there. Not to say they didn’t exist I just never saw them. And honestly because of that I always figured it was moderated well enough that they were weeded out. It’s only now that I’m hearing that it was/is a land of pedos. I knew there was one or two underage mods there but I didn’t think that that’s what they were dealing with. Had I known that I would have been outspoken a long time ago.”

Now here’s what Sams response was, before turning off my ability to reply to him:
"I always figured it was moderated well enough that they were weeded out." - who weeded them out? the same age group mods you now say shouldn't be able to do it.

You didn't mean it was adults doing the weeding, as you've clearly argued adults shouldn't be in the kids chats (something many others similarly argued)

As I said last night, I never knew it was a haven for creeps. @Samwise please take a moment and read things before twisting them. As I said, I knew there were 1 or 2 minor mods there, but had no idea they were dealing with peds and pervs there. Had I known that I would’ve said that they shouldn’t be modding in that case. And my argument about adults in kids chat has always been clear. Adults should NOT be in there lurking/chatting, only that adults 18 to early mid twenties tops should be modding the room. Hindsight is 20/20.

And you further accuse me of going off topic? That’s a total lie. I simply responded positively to something Pinky said, even complimenting her. You deleted that post why? To cover up the truth because you know you’re wrong perhaps. Be better. Do better. You can’t have a debate about something YOU brought up if you’re going to silence opinions opposing yours. Thank you.
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you are free to post anything in the debate thread. But anything off topic will be removed per debate forum rules. Also, The parameters were clearly set out, again you chose to not follow them. https://forum.chat-avenue.com/threa...nderage-moderators.945734/page-5#post-1190047

Summary: https://forum.chat-avenue.com/threads/the-demise-of-the-forums-and-ums.945622/page-3#post-1190459

Since there are now three threads on this- moving to the correct place.

@Akrta please stop interjecting yourself in every issue.
 
SouporMan said:
So because the website isn't doing anything with it, we are suppose to deal with the illegal activity that goes on this website? Yeah sorry.

This crime involves children, and I get that you don't care, but some of us do.
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There’s nothing we can do about it.
 
SouporMan said:
Lots of the staff seem to agree allowing minors to see CP is okay. Lol, insane.
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I don't think it is about 'allowing' minors to see CP, as this can and does happen IRL too.

There are a lot of problems I agree, but the real issue is the inability to effectively use this software to allow Mods and admins to effectively control the illicit elements as we have seen with other sites who are more focus on the welfare of minors and using the exact same software.

This is more a moral issue of the owners, and a moral issue of the staff that seemingly DEFEND the owners.

Creed101 said:
There’s nothing we can do about it.
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There is actually A LOT than can be done about it, but CM ties your hands and your admins hands behind your backs

SouporMan said:
So because the website isn't doing anything with it, we are suppose to deal with the illegal activity that goes on this website? Yeah sorry.

This crime involves children, and I get that you don't care, but some of us do.
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It is not about the MODS not caring, it is more about the mods wanting to help, but not having the tools to help, and if they speak out against CM, they get fired and therefore can't be in the rooms to do the right thing with the tools they have.

No one is as fucking angry at the appearance that there is a lack of action than I am. I put so much time and effort in to providing information in the Mod Forums via means of a 'Code Breaker' for code words that we have encountered that users use to groom children and I believe @LostCause. still maintains now.
 
Creed101 said:
There’s nothing we can do about it.
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KK, whelp, thanks for your input, you can keep trying to shut me up, but you are not a UM. I am responding to comments I see that warrant my response.

Otherwise I get it creed. You don't have an issue with a 15 year old seeing lewd comments.

Heathen2002 said:
It is not about the MODS not caring, it is more about the mods wanting to help, but not having the tools to help, and if they speak out against CM, they get fired and therefore can't be in the rooms to do the right thing with the tools they have.

No one is as fucking angry at the appearance that there is a lack of action than I am. I put so much time and effort in to providing information in the Mod Forums via means of a 'Code Breaker' for code words that we have encountered that users use to groom children and I believe @LostCause. still maintains now.
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The mods that care are not the ones voting yes, or trying to get others to shut up.

That isn't the case with some of the staff here.
 
SouporMan said:
KK, whelp, thanks for your input, you can keep trying to shut me up, but you are not a UM. I am responding to comments I see that warrant my response.

Otherwise I get it creed. You don't have an issue with a 15 year old seeing lewd comments.
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You’ve been saying the same thing over and over again do something about it then see what you can do. Like I said, before tell me something original. even though you didn’t make the thread you made a similar thread about the LiveChat admin look where that got you. Come back with something different. The person we are talking about is very capable of doing the job regardless of the age.
 
I think it might also be important to point out that in (removed) particular case, she is a resident and citizen of Australia which has quite strict legislation regarding knowingly exposing minors to prohibited online content. @Chatmaster I highly suggest you not only check the legislation, but also think about the repercussions of knowingly hiring minors to sift through prohibited or inappropriate online content.
 
All I want is more people who what to help a community to remove and report nasty people all I want is no more perverts no more sexual stuff that’s all I want on all these Chatrooms I wish we can have more mods like pinky who is a really good mod from what I heard.

I believe that we should push to make this place a safe community for all ages but that only if we as community try. im not pointing at anyone but the people who are perverts, rude, act sexual to kids and don’t try to make a difference but only add fuel to the fire that’s been burning for so long and I just that fire gone.

I know that’s kinda off topic but I just want this said out so people can see
 
Samwise said:
So I just wanna set the record straight about Samwise twisting something I said last night.


you are free to post anything in the debate thread. But anything off topic will be removed per debate forum rules. Also, The parameters were clearly set out, again you chose to not follow them. https://forum.chat-avenue.com/threa...nderage-moderators.945734/page-5#post-1190047

Summary: https://forum.chat-avenue.com/threads/the-demise-of-the-forums-and-ums.945622/page-3#post-1190459

Since there are now three threads on this- moving to the correct place.

@Akrta please stop interjecting yourself in every issue.
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I never strayed from the topic 😒. But anyway back on topic, we’ve all made our points on why minors shouldn’t be modding. I’d like to hear the other side. What are some good reasons why minors should be modding?
 
SouporMan said:
Again, here we are derailing the topic at hand.
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SouporMan said:
The mods that care are not the ones voting yes, or trying to get others to shut up.

That isn't the case with some of the staff here.
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SouporMan said:
Yes and I will continue, this website encourages illegal activities, and you defend it.
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SouporMan said:
Yeah nothing is twisted, I am simply stating what is going on. The dude admitted it.
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Hmmm K
 
DarthErica said:
I never strayed from the topic 😒. But anyway back on topic, we’ve all made our points on why minors shouldn’t be modding. I’d like to hear the other side. What are some good reasons why minors should be modding?
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I think that is a great point.

@Samwise Why do you think minors should be allowed to receive pornography?
 
DarthErica said:
I never strayed from the topic 😒. But anyway back on topic, we’ve all made our points on why minors shouldn’t be modding. I’d like to hear the other side. What are some good reasons why minors should be modding?
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In Chat Ave...I don't think there ARE any good reasons a minor should mod as the rooms are largely unregulated and there is nothing else like it.

On other websites it is a different story where Mods have tools and the owners of the websites have a moral compass that doesn't involve appeasing the paedophiles and let them go unpunished....Only on Chat ave.
 
Heathen2002 said:
In Chat Ave...I don't think there ARE any good reasons a minor should mod as the rooms are largely unregulated and there is nothing else like it.

On other websites it is a different story where Mods have tools and the owners of the websites have a moral compass that doesn't involve appeasing the paedoophiles and let them go unpunished....Only on Chat ave.
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I agree. Mods here are going to be exposed to stuff minors shouldn’t be. I can’t think of one good reason why it’s a good idea to have minors monitoring adult content 🤦‍♀️
 
DarthErica said:
I agree. Mods here are going to be exposed to stuff minors shouldn’t be. I can’t think of one good reason why it’s a good idea to have minors monitoring adult content 🤦‍♀️
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so why is it a good idea to have under 18yo ******** in a room that is open to ages 13+. I mean they are being exposed to 'adult' and illegal content as well yeah?

So why should there be a rule for ******** and another for moderators?
 
Heathen2002 said:
so why is it a good idea to have under 18yo ******** in a room that is open to ages 13+. I mean they are being exposed to 'adult' and illegal content as well yeah?

So why should there be a rule for ******** and another for moderators?
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One thing I can think of is that ******** can use the ignore feature, and set their pms to friends only, limiting who can send them content. Mods don’t have that choice. I actually encourage my friends to set their pms to friends only tbh.
 
The general chat is for users who are 13 years or older, but that does not mean that they are mature enough to deal with everything that may happen there. Eh, I don't know.
 
Schism said:
I think it might also be important to point out that in (removed) particular case, she is a resident and citizen of Australia which has quite strict legislation regarding knowingly exposing minors to prohibited online content. @Chatmaster I highly suggest you not only check the legislation, but also think about the repercussions of knowingly hiring minors to sift through prohibited or inappropriate online content.
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Excuse me, is this some kind of threat of legal action you’re attempting to intimidate me with? Are you Sanguine back for more? You think I don’t know that you’re talking about me here?

Firstly, I’d love for you to point out these ‘strict legislations’ that are intimidating me with (which are just as strict as USA, Canada, UK, etc.), and secondly, if you really want to have your day in court with me and my parents and guardian, let’s have at it.

I welcome you to explain why you’re attempting to single me out in this debate when there are at least 10 or more under 18 moderators/admin on here. It’s obvious you meant your post only for me.

I’m so tired of adults coming at me with these bully tactics, threatening us and telling us to get out.

I’d think if you really cared, you’d be more about finding better ways to remove the criminals, not punishing the kids and telling us to shut up and get out. Instead your genius solution is no, leave the criminals. Get rid of the kids! Threaten them with all sorts of legal action. They don’t know better.

Talk about cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.
 
Pinky said:
Excuse me, is this some kind of threat of legal action you’re attempting to intimidate me with? Are you Sanguine back for more? You think I don’t know that you’re talking about me here?

Firstly, I’d love for you to point out these ‘strict legislations’ that are intimidating me with (which are just as strict as USA, Canada, UK, etc.), and secondly, if you really want to have your day in court with me and my parents and guardian, let’s have at it.

I welcome you to explain why you’re attempting to single me out in this debate when there are at least 10 or more under 18 moderators/admin on here. It’s obvious you meant your post only for me.

I’m so tired of adults coming at me with these bully tactics, threatening us and telling us to get out.

I’d think if you really cared, you’d be more about finding better ways to remove the criminals, not punishing the kids and telling us to shut up and get out. Instead your genius solution is no, leave the criminals. Get rid of the kids! Threaten them with all sorts of legal action. They don’t know better.

Talk about cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.
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Last word to you Pinky.

Thank you to those who tried to have a civil discussion, and thank you those who tried to stay on topic.
 
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