I say this for ALMOST any other room as well.
Should Chat Avenue Allow Underage Moderators?
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someone else has probably said some version of this but here's something to consider: not only is there a moral issue of having to report posts that contain anything illegal to a child, there is also the legal issues that stem from it. when someone reports something, that report and what was contained in it is sent to any mods on at the time. if the only mod on is someone under 18 when someone is posting illegal imagry/words, etc and you make a report, you are now technically the one sharing that illegal material with a minor. you'd have to wait to report it to another mod, ss it and report it later on forums or to another mod, or risk legal trouble and report it yourself. in two of the three options here involve getting another mod (which is redundant for obvious reasons) and the third option getting yourself in possible legal trouble.and for everyone thats thinking thats semantics, the law doesnt care if you were doing something with good intentions, when this situation eventually happens- all the law will see is an adult that shared something illegal in a chat room to a minor.
not to mention the number of people who see something vulgar and want to report it but just wont if the only mod is a minor because they're uncomfortable sharing whatever it is with a child. a lot of you would say you would now to back up your arguments that this is okay but 100% I'd bet irl none of you would actually try and defend sharing those types of images with a minor under any circumstance. especially on a chat room lol
"these logs clearly show that you shared a picture of someone's junk with a minor"
"but they're a moderator on a chat room, I wasn't being a creep i was just trying to keep the chat room safe"
"and to keep this chat room safe you had to send a d1ck pic that someone else had sent to you to a minor?"
"well yeah, so that other people dont have to see it"
"but you made sure the minor seen it by sending it to them"
"its the only way man this place is like totally understaffed. would it help if i told you that this kid is mature for their age?"
btw has anyone noticed one of the main arguments for why this is okay "oh its okay they are very mature for their age" is a TEXTBOOK example of classical grooming phrases you can find in literal textbooks talking about grooming? and its come up not once or twice accidentally, but is an actual main talking point of the entire argument that has come up numerous times?
yeah thatll hold up in court LOL
not to mention the number of people who see something vulgar and want to report it but just wont if the only mod is a minor because they're uncomfortable sharing whatever it is with a child. a lot of you would say you would now to back up your arguments that this is okay but 100% I'd bet irl none of you would actually try and defend sharing those types of images with a minor under any circumstance. especially on a chat room lol
"these logs clearly show that you shared a picture of someone's junk with a minor"
"but they're a moderator on a chat room, I wasn't being a creep i was just trying to keep the chat room safe"
"and to keep this chat room safe you had to send a d1ck pic that someone else had sent to you to a minor?"
"well yeah, so that other people dont have to see it"
"but you made sure the minor seen it by sending it to them"
"its the only way man this place is like totally understaffed. would it help if i told you that this kid is mature for their age?"
btw has anyone noticed one of the main arguments for why this is okay "oh its okay they are very mature for their age" is a TEXTBOOK example of classical grooming phrases you can find in literal textbooks talking about grooming? and its come up not once or twice accidentally, but is an actual main talking point of the entire argument that has come up numerous times?
yeah thatll hold up in court LOL
OriginalScreenName
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It is up to the admins and cm, personally, I wouldn't want children being a moderator in any chat room on here for the simple fact that you have sick individuals posting D pic as profile pics on occasion, so, if there is some expectation that a moderator is to go through the list of who is in a chat room and make sure no one has a D pic as a profile pic, seems like if some parent really wanted they could bitch and scream how one is subjecting their child to something or other **** of i know.
Just doesn't really make sense to me about putting a child in a position to moderate a chat room that is predominately full of adults.
Moderators take a lot of **** to begin with, then to put that stress on a child, when children are already dealing with a lot of drama online that society sees constantly in the news, with bullying, etc. If a child moderator is being bullied as a moderator ( not just pinky I mean any child ) and that child gets harrassed to the point that something terrible happens who is liable?
I honestly don't give two shits, I got bigger things to worry about, like when @Amandalorian is going to decide to be nice to me and stop antagonizing me. I AM SENSITIVE DAMN IT.
Just doesn't really make sense to me about putting a child in a position to moderate a chat room that is predominately full of adults.
Moderators take a lot of **** to begin with, then to put that stress on a child, when children are already dealing with a lot of drama online that society sees constantly in the news, with bullying, etc. If a child moderator is being bullied as a moderator ( not just pinky I mean any child ) and that child gets harrassed to the point that something terrible happens who is liable?
I honestly don't give two shits, I got bigger things to worry about, like when @Amandalorian is going to decide to be nice to me and stop antagonizing me. I AM SENSITIVE DAMN IT.
DarthErica
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Ok, I never heard a more rambling, incoherent speech with no meaning in my life. To paraphrase, at no point did you even come close to a coherent thought. We are all now dumber for having listened to you. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...😒
A 15 year old kid is still a child when compared to the adult world
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Looks like we have another post that ended no where, and in ****. We have staff making light of the matter, including the underaged admin. The issue at hand won’t be addressed, and kids, or teens will continue to be apart of a website that allows them to receive pornography.
You can close this thread @Samwise.
You can close this thread @Samwise.
wildwestwanderer
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15 year olds still live at home and collect an allowance. They can’t drink, smoke, drive, own a bank account or make adult decisions on their own.
They are a child.
18+ is adult.
This isn’t an argument. There are very clear scientific and societal and legal norms that prove this to be true.
Stop normalizing this.
Interesting point. I’ll just point out a few things that came to my mind. Under your construct, even if an adult is reporting cp to another adult, that would “technically” be sharing cp. Or what if someone finds a pedo online and reports the cp to law enforcement. Under your construct they are also “technically” sharing cp between two parties. See where I’m going here?
Finally, and more specific to the issue here, ******** can report a pedo without posting the content of what the pedo posted. Then they wouldn’t “technically” be sharing cp.
This is a great example of the “lose lose” situation forum staff are sometimes put it. If they close this thread, someone will complain they are suppressing the conversation. If they leave it open someone will complain it’s going nowhere and should have been closed. Tough spot.
...a thought just occurred to me
We must protect the children from seeing such horrible things and dealing with horrible people, that Is our "job", to keep these kids safe... so we'll get a kid to deal with horrible people and see horrible things. Kinda self contradictory lol
(Also, theres an alarming amount of peoples arguments being "oh she's mature enough"... maybe she is, but thats besides the point 😂)
We must protect the children from seeing such horrible things and dealing with horrible people, that Is our "job", to keep these kids safe... so we'll get a kid to deal with horrible people and see horrible things. Kinda self contradictory lol
(Also, theres an alarming amount of peoples arguments being "oh she's mature enough"... maybe she is, but thats besides the point 😂)
It’s going no where because they don’t want to change anything.
And no, the report feature sends the image to the staff. There is no grey area here, it’s pretty black and white.
That isn’t how the report feature works though, but a work around.
The rules don’t state, do no use the report feature if the staff is a minor. The website encourages sending CP or pornography to the staff VIA the report feature.
Actually 15 year olds can get jobs and own a bank account where I live, and in some places they can drive.
What's your definition of a child? There's a big difference between a 5 year old and a 15 year old.
wildwestwanderer
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But is everyone going to do that or even be aware of the moderators age in question? No.
This perfect world you’re forming doesn’t exist.
Actually, people do pm me routinely to report violations. But yes, you’re correct, ******** usually aren’t aware of moderators age.
Seems people are now hung up on the word "child". Which... yeah you can say their not exactly a child, but their still underage.
And about seeing just as much, if not more, in kids chat, why does that make a difference. Gen chat is for basically anyone 13+ (which... Terrible idea), its going to be more susceptible to adult conversation, where as kids chat is specifically for those under 18. Now obviously I'm not that naive, I know kids chat has alot of perverts... I mean it's called kids chat, it's like the best place to go for it (and tbh, altho it would definitely be "weird", I feel JUST mods of kids chat should be adults... altho I see that causing quite a stir)
Summary:
- Don't get hung up on the word "kid" or "child"
- while yes they still probably saw things in kids chat... that still dosent really change anything, just now that it's specifically a room with more adults, it's come to attention that maybe dont let kids see that
And about seeing just as much, if not more, in kids chat, why does that make a difference. Gen chat is for basically anyone 13+ (which... Terrible idea), its going to be more susceptible to adult conversation, where as kids chat is specifically for those under 18. Now obviously I'm not that naive, I know kids chat has alot of perverts... I mean it's called kids chat, it's like the best place to go for it (and tbh, altho it would definitely be "weird", I feel JUST mods of kids chat should be adults... altho I see that causing quite a stir)
Summary:
- Don't get hung up on the word "kid" or "child"
- while yes they still probably saw things in kids chat... that still dosent really change anything, just now that it's specifically a room with more adults, it's come to attention that maybe dont let kids see that
thats my point. having an underage mod forces people to share illegal images with a minor if they happen to be the only mod on. unless they dont report it and wait for another mod or ss and come to forums to get someone over there. both options that would make having that mod redundant.
all it takes is one, underaged angry mod to have a bad day and go to the police and say "look what these adults have been sharing with me" and boom, anybody thats ever reported something illegal to them is now legally a predator looking at prison time because by reporting they were technically sharing it with that minor. even if the case gets dropped when it comes out that they were only using the report feature, before that happens their life would be ruined lol.
I'm not saying Pinky would do that, but by having underage mods you're forcing users into a position where its questionably legal to even report the worst things they might come across.
all this does is put the users who care about the integrity of chat the most at risk.
aside from the legal side this is just honestly messed up. its honestly super weird that so many full grown adults are fighting this hard to rationalize putting a literal child into a position where other adults can report illegal imagry to them if they see it. imagine this position anywhere else doing anything else. just think about it:
LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS FOR *fill in literally any other positon of any kind*: on top of regular job duties, due to the high traffic of p3dos coming through this location, applicant will be responsible for dealing 100's of p3dos and pervs everyday (child volunteers acceptable)
in what f#cking world would any of you back this up irl? yall spend too much time here fr lmao
Just as a note to anyone, specifically for younger mods, but also the old farts too. If your room unfortunately does get alot of negativity and/or illegal things... funnily enough that can be damaging to metal health, even of you don't think it is
So take breaks, it's fine to want to get away from that kinda stuff for a while
(Ik this is kinda funny since the whole reason she is a gen mod now was for inactivity 😅, but your health is more important than silly chat room number 42)
Now back to weird hot takes
So take breaks, it's fine to want to get away from that kinda stuff for a while
(Ik this is kinda funny since the whole reason she is a gen mod now was for inactivity 😅, but your health is more important than silly chat room number 42)
Now back to weird hot takes
let me Jeff Foxworthy this:
if yall have been spending so much time on chat ave that you honestly think you'd see this ad irl:
LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS IN AN ONLINE CHAT ROOM: on top of regular job duties, due to the high amount of traffic from p3dos and pervs, applicants will be responsible for dealing with 100's of different p3dos and pervs on a daily basis.
and you think to yourself, "you know as long as they're mature, i think this would be a perfect position for a child, and i will die on this hill and actually be really vocal about it"
you might be spending too much time in chat rooms.
like the fact yall be dying on this of all hills is weird lol. like i get where some people are coming from, but after seeing everyone else's points they shoulda been like "you know what u right my bad" like how tf are there actually so many grown adults legit dying on this hill
if yall have been spending so much time on chat ave that you honestly think you'd see this ad irl:
LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS IN AN ONLINE CHAT ROOM: on top of regular job duties, due to the high amount of traffic from p3dos and pervs, applicants will be responsible for dealing with 100's of different p3dos and pervs on a daily basis.
and you think to yourself, "you know as long as they're mature, i think this would be a perfect position for a child, and i will die on this hill and actually be really vocal about it"
you might be spending too much time in chat rooms.
like the fact yall be dying on this of all hills is weird lol. like i get where some people are coming from, but after seeing everyone else's points they shoulda been like "you know what u right my bad" like how tf are there actually so many grown adults legit dying on this hill
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