Abortion is not birth control.

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Millions of women out there dying to have a baby. Her body her choice. The baby has no choice .
 
What a woman decides to do with her body is her business not yours. You have no right to impose your views on others. In fact you have no relevant point of view unless you're actually involved and even then, the final decision rests with the woman not you.

You're a troll and I suspect a misogynistic one at that. Get a life outside of chat ffs.
 
Why isn't baby murder legal?

Since they are attached to the woman's body for 9 months

"One body" "one choice"


Kinda weird how the government recognizes an embryo at any development as human life when it comes to violence but not when it comes to abortion.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

Foeticide (British English), or feticide (American and Canadian English), is the act of killing a fetus, or causing a miscarriage.[1] Definitions differ between legal and medical applications, whereas in law, feticide frequently refers to a criminal offense,[2] in medicine the term generally refers to a part of an abortion procedure in which a provider intentionally induces fetal demise to avoid the chance of an unintended live birth, or as a standalone procedure in the case of selective reduction.
 
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There's just a fundamental contradiction between being "pro life" and also wanting to ban comprehensive sex education, contraceptives, and insurance coverage of birth control (religious exemption) while being against any natal encouraging economic policy like requiring family leave be available from work places and generally making having a kid more economically feasible with social programs that aren't gutted with austerity everytime there's a budget dispute. Not saying abortion should ever be banned, or there'll never be a necessity, but we should stop ignoring the economic conditions people operate in.
 
9 out of 10 countries with the highest human development index have legalized the right to an abortion.

There’s a clear correlation between overall welfare and happiness and socially progressive policies, including a woman’s right to an abortion and I’m quite happy to see my country is listed in the top 10.

worldpopulationreview.com

Human Development Index (HDI) by Country 2025

Listings and analysis of the HUman Development Index (HDI) score for more than 180 countries.
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We’ve always topped the list of countries that are the most progressive. together with the Scandinavian countries, something I’m quite proud of.
 
I'm simply going to disagree. Even if I'm now considered and "asshat". The simple act of discontinuing a pregnancy for what ever reason you chose. Is Controlling a Birth, by simple definition, abortion is birth control.
The fact that you choose to be pro life or pro choice changes nothing.
I do not know you, so I will not speculate to the fact that you have or have not been in the situation where you had to make that choice. And I hope you never are.
All numbers and percentages aside, looking at it through a religious lens, You were given free will and will answer for that. Looking at it through legal statutes, You do not have the right to tell another person how to exercise their rights.
My view on the matter is simple. I am pro life and would never tell another person to have an abortion. While at the same time I would never tell another adult that they are not allowed to have an abortion.
 
I actually agree that multiple abortions from the same person should be closely monitored and the person in particular being given 1-to-1 advice about safer sex and counselling where appropriate. Outside of that, there's not much anybody can do about it. Unfortunately, we live in a world where there is no way of controlling unfit parents from having children and contraception isn't compulsory, nor could it ever be introduced as being so.

A lack of education is in many cases an issue where multiple abortions are happening. But the same people screaming anti abortion are also screaming about not wanting their children to have fair sex education that would hopefully guide the young women in a better direction. They're also many groups of society today who are against using contraception but then complain when young women get pregnant and use those same abortion clinics - So exactly how is the issue fixed from those perspectives?

I will never, disagree with abortion being accessible to women. There are plenty of people who are r*ped, or who had one accident in a long time of being sexually active that know being a parent isn't for them, and with our care systems across the world being overloaded with children as is, it's sometimes a much better option to putting a child up for adoption.

Also, in some countries, contraception is a cost many can't afford. Feel lucky to be in the UK where my taxes cover the cost of my contraceptive pill.
 
Louize said:
I actually agree that multiple abortions from the same person should be closely monitored and the person in particular being given 1-to-1 advice about safer sex and counselling where appropriate. Outside of that, there's not much anybody can do about it. Unfortunately, we live in a world where there is no way of controlling unfit parents from having children and contraception isn't compulsory, nor could it ever be introduced as being so.

A lack of education is in many cases an issue where multiple abortions are happening. But the same people screaming anti abortion are also screaming about not wanting their children to have fair sex education that would hopefully guide the young women in a better direction. They're also many groups of society today who are against using contraception but then complain when young women get pregnant and use those same abortion clinics - So exactly how is the issue fixed from those perspectives?

I will never, disagree with abortion being accessible to women. There are plenty of people who are r*ped, or who had one accident in a long time of being sexually active that know being a parent isn't for them, and with our care systems across the world being overloaded with children as is, it's sometimes a much better option to putting a child up for adoption.

Also, in some countries, contraception is a cost many can't afford. Feel lucky to be in the UK where my taxes cover the cost of my contraceptive pill.
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Universal healthcare ftw!
 
Have to agree with @Louize
The issue of when or why there an abortion is much deeper than just right or wrong. There are many factors that need be considered.
 
Soundz123 said:
If a woman wants to do an abortion, go for it. When she's dealing with the long-term psychological consequences, I can offer no pity.
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That's fine, your pity isn't needed. There are professional services for support if it's needed - which it very probably won't be. 50 years of psychological research has this to say:
"More than 50 years of international psychological research shows that having an abortion is not linked to mental health problems, but restricting access to safe, legal abortions does cause harm. Research shows people who are denied abortions have worse physical and mental health, as well as worse economic outcomes than those who seek and receive them."

Here's the source.
 
The debate posed wasn't pro or anti abortion on a whole... It was repeated abortions... Which again, is mostly linked to a lack of education, a lack of financial ability in procuring preemptive contraception... And a very devil's advocate one, but women's bodies reacting badly to multiple forms of contraception and men refusing to use condoms due to societal pressure and other factors.

There's a reason repeated abortions are most prominent in poorer areas, where education is at its least effective, where money is an issue, and where sex is a free form of entertainment.

Any developed country shouldn't be having this issue on the basis that contraception should be free. Period. So should STI testing.

As a woman, we also face the adverse effects of hormonal contraception, and the pain that comes from having the majority of non hormonal contraception fitted. ****** the horror stories, or the effect it has on our bodies. Then look up the fact that a male pill was stopped production because of less side effects than the female contraceptive pills. Male sexual health is taken way more seriously than women's sexual health.

Even as a woman who has been on the contraceptive pill (where I get it for free because Yay NHS!) I still use condoms until I'm in a committed relationship, and yet there's plenty men who try to talk themselves out of needing to use one (even before knowing I'm on the pill) - a lack of education or less confidence or care for myself might mean I'd let that happen.

A hundred different reasons, and a hundred different topics can be brought into this... That's why there's no simple answer.
 
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